a conversation with a supplment guy....

princesstoadstool82
princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
in Fitness and Exercise
ok... was speaking to a guy who owns his own suppliment store...he mentioned his university degree ect...


:indifferent: he said i would become box-y doing powerlifts/ compound lifts (i'm doing strong lifts) ... mayby because i'm 100kgs/220lbs he said this...


:indifferent: and also said not to eat fats and carbs together, because of insulin makes you not burn fat... or somthing like that ...



so im pretty sure, on a deficit stronglifts is not gonna make me box-y (squarish rather then slim down and retain muscle...) but comming from HIM it was a bit of a shock.... lol..

the other thing though... my thoughts ... it would be very very difficult to do, and unnessesary ?.... but i dont have any degrees in fitness or nutrition....

discuss...:smile:

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  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    Hes an idiot, nothing more to discuss.
  • Escape_Artist
    Escape_Artist Posts: 1,155 Member
    Reminds me of when I dumped my ex Personal Trainer cause he was making me do so much cardio i wanted to cut my wrists. He was also having me on a 1000 cals a day diet with no cards except a banana but ONLY pre workout eating every 2 hours and nothing after 8pm.

    I dumped his *kitten* and started lifting heavy with no cardio at all. He came to see me to tell me I shouldn't do that or else I was gonna bulk.


    He told me he was sorry about a week ago
  • j6o4
    j6o4 Posts: 871 Member
    LOL I heard a personal trainer today talking about how you need a post workout shake with in 15 minutes after a workout and other bro science things about nutirtion.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    Reminds me of when I dumped my ex Personal Trainer cause he was making me do so much cardio i wanted to cut my wrists. He was also having me on a 1000 cals a day diet with no cards except a banana but ONLY pre workout eating every 2 hours and nothing after 8pm.

    I dumped his *kitten* and started lifting heavy with no cardio at all. He came to see me to tell me I shouldn't do that or else I was gonna bulk.


    He told me he was sorry about a week ago


    ha ha ha fantasic!!! i bet you now eat alot more too :)
    i was like WTH box-y ... no i wont... lol
  • Escape_Artist
    Escape_Artist Posts: 1,155 Member
    Reminds me of when I dumped my ex Personal Trainer cause he was making me do so much cardio i wanted to cut my wrists. He was also having me on a 1000 cals a day diet with no cards except a banana but ONLY pre workout eating every 2 hours and nothing after 8pm.

    I dumped his *kitten* and started lifting heavy with no cardio at all. He came to see me to tell me I shouldn't do that or else I was gonna bulk.


    He told me he was sorry about a week ago


    ha ha ha fantasic!!! i bet you now eat alot more too :)
    i was like WTH box-y ... no i wont... lol

    Yeah I started around 1800 cals back then. Just out of a bulk @ 2400 cals and now cutting at 1690. So needless to say I was starving back then lol! :flowerforyou:
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    Thermogenics are a waste. You can get aminos from your food if you eat meat.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    Reminds me of when I dumped my ex Personal Trainer cause he was making me do so much cardio i wanted to cut my wrists. He was also having me on a 1000 cals a day diet with no cards except a banana but ONLY pre workout eating every 2 hours and nothing after 8pm.

    I dumped his *kitten* and started lifting heavy with no cardio at all. He came to see me to tell me I shouldn't do that or else I was gonna bulk.


    He told me he was sorry about a week ago


    ha ha ha fantasic!!! i bet you now eat alot more too :)
    i was like WTH box-y ... no i wont... lol

    Yeah I started around 1800 cals back then. Just out of a bulk @ 2400 cals and now cutting at 1690. So needless to say I was starving back then lol! :flowerforyou:


    i wish i had your *kitten* ... weighted squats has givent me more of a booty but it has extra layers...
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).


    good for you !!!!

    i've got alotta body fat.. its gonna take me ages... lol. what was your starting weight ?
  • theoriginaljayne
    theoriginaljayne Posts: 559 Member
    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    No, supplements aren't necessary (unless you're deficient in something, I suppose).
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).


    good for you !!!!

    i've got alotta body fat.. its gonna take me ages... lol. what was your starting weight ?

    220 pounds (100kg). It took me 3 years to lose all the weight because I struggle with diet and binge eating.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    LOL I heard a personal trainer today talking about how you need a post workout shake with in 15 minutes after a workout and other bro science things about nutirtion.


    i normally do try and eat something after.... is that all bs ?? normally a banana, but its not within any time frame. just when ever i get it...
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).


    good for you !!!!

    i've got alotta body fat.. its gonna take me ages... lol. what was your starting weight ?

    220 pounds (100kg). It took me 3 years to lose all the weight because I struggle with diet and binge eating.

    ..... wow...... same same. lol... i almost gave up two days ago... just cause scale wise NOTHINGS been happening.... the scales are in the cupboard now.... and i'm just focusing on lifting and eating... and being healthy...
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Hes an idiot, nothing more to discuss.
    Yep, that's pretty much all there is to it.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    LOL I heard a personal trainer today talking about how you need a post workout shake with in 15 minutes after a workout and other bro science things about nutirtion.


    i normally do try and eat something after.... is that all bs ?? normally a banana, but its not within any time frame. just when ever i get it...
    Nutrient timing is irrelevant. Hit your totals for the day, don't worry about timing it around workouts.
  • SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish
    SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish Posts: 831 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    ^^ this is why he probably told you you would get "boxy" etc. He wants to sell you on his products is my guess, maybe he even believes what he said, but he's wrong. I have more education and degrees that directly apply (I'm not going to say in what and you shouldnt believe anyone over the net anyways, so it makes no difference). I'm just pointing this out to "cancel" any perceived authority you think he may have from his "degree", he is just wrong at best, selling you at worst. Thermogenics havent been proven to make much if any difference, and there is a wide variety of substances used in these: you definitely dont NEED them. Amino acids you also dont NEED if you get complete proteins, and you can do this by eating a variety of foods and meats or planning to match appropriate vegetarian protein sources to cover all amino acids. So no you dont need that either. That being said, sometimes the "pick me up" from caffeine in "thermogenics" can make you feel like going when you otherwise may not: I think that is probably more a possible benefit than the "fat burning" they are marketed for. But you can drink coffee for that, or green tea.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).


    good for you !!!!

    i've got alotta body fat.. its gonna take me ages... lol. what was your starting weight ?

    220 pounds (100kg). It took me 3 years to lose all the weight because I struggle with diet and binge eating.

    ..... wow...... same same. lol... i almost gave up two days ago... just cause scale wise NOTHINGS been happening.... the scales are in the cupboard now.... and i'm just focusing on lifting and eating... and being healthy...

    The key for my weight loss was to just to find my TDEE using an online calculator and subtract 20%. Then just stick with it while trying to eat lots of protein. The program that worked best for me was Lee Labrada's 12 week lean body trainer. Stick with this. Even if you don't think you are making progress keep trying. It is possible.
  • Escape_Artist
    Escape_Artist Posts: 1,155 Member
    Here's the thing, scales are an evil invention from hell and really if you want to rely on something it's measurements and pictures!
    I can weight more or less as much as 10lbs on the scale from one week to another but yet measurement are the same.

    Eat at a deficit and lift, moderate cardio can be incorporated if you like it but is not necessary for weight loss as it all comes down to calories in vs out (ie, calorie deficit)

    Supplements are, for the most part a waste of money.

    Meal/snack timing is irrelevant. Eat when you are hungry and enjoy the things you like making sure you hit your macros and calories.

    Last but most important, be patient, you are on your way to success :smile:
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    I lift heavy and I started lifting when I was much heavier. Best decision ever. (I know I look "manly" in my picture, but it's only because of my very low body fat from bodybuilding competitions).


    good for you !!!!

    i've got alotta body fat.. its gonna take me ages... lol. what was your starting weight ?

    220 pounds (100kg). It took me 3 years to lose all the weight because I struggle with diet and binge eating.

    ..... wow...... same same. lol... i almost gave up two days ago... just cause scale wise NOTHINGS been happening.... the scales are in the cupboard now.... and i'm just focusing on lifting and eating... and being healthy...

    The key for my weight loss was to just to find my TDEE using an online calculator and subtract 20%. Then just stick with it while trying to eat lots of protein. The program that worked best for me was Lee Labrada's 12 week lean body trainer. Stick with this. Even if you don't think you are making progress keep trying. It is possible.


    thanks.. yeah i've taken pics... but its hard when the scale doesnt move, i have been slack the last few weeks.. but today i'm back into it... i got my tdee from scoobys.... just gotta be consistant.... thats gonna be a challenge .

    i shall google Lee Labrada's 12 week lean body trainer :)
  • i1984
    i1984 Posts: 27
    What's the old saying...."Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." I'll refrain from giving any advice on weight loss, because deep down you know what is right. But this guy's--degree or no degree--only purpose in life is to sell supplement products, so naturally in this instance he is boasting about his degree as a sales pitch. I want to call him an idiot, but he's doing his job and I must respect that. My personal recommendation is a whey protein supplement if you can't get it from food. I have taken no other supplements during my journey and I have seen awesome results so far. Keep up the good work.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    Here's the thing, scales are an evil invention from hell and really if you want to rely on something it's measurements and pictures!
    I can weight more or less as much as 10lbs on the scale from one week to another but yet measurement are the same.

    Eat at a deficit and lift, moderate cardio can be incorporated if you like it but is not necessary for weight loss as it all comes down to calories in vs out (ie, calorie deficit)

    Supplements are, for the most part a waste of money.

    Meal/snack timing is irrelevant. Eat when you are hungry and enjoy the things you like making sure you hit your macros and calories.

    Last but most important, be patient, you are on your way to success :smile:


    thanks, ohhh i know the scales are demonic!!!!! i really got down and sad about a stupid number!!!! makes me angry how i let that happen as its not me.... so yeah they are in the cupboard i'm not even gonna look at them... :)
    thanks for the info... theres so much stuff/info out there its crazy!!!
    i find if i focus on protien, the rest kinda (most times) fall into place... i havent been logging or weightlifting for about a week now.. but back into it again from today :D
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    What's the old saying...."Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." I'll refrain from giving any advice on weight loss, because deep down you know what is right. But this guy's--degree or no degree--only purpose in life is to sell supplement products, so naturally in this instance he is boasting about his degree as a sales pitch. I want to call him an idiot, but he's doing his job and I must respect that. My personal recommendation is a whey protein supplement if you can't get it from food. I have taken no other supplements during my journey and I have seen awesome results so far. Keep up the good work.

    thanks :) yeah... well most of my info is from reading stuff on the net, and some mfp... and what he said just didnt gel in my head... but i thought... oh maybe what i know is wrong....

    your profile pic is amazing, well done to you!!!!




    i'm in awe, ALL you guys have done amazing trasformations!!!! i'm a bit jealous too... :flowerforyou:
  • abadvat
    abadvat Posts: 1,241 Member
    Most of it is rubbish with a couple of good points:
    Aminos, if you at deficit and lifting it might be worth adding some BCAA pre and intra just to save the gaines / prolonge the anabolic state.
    Fats / carbs he probably means post work out avoid fats. He is right and this is not bro science but pure demonstrate science. Fats slow down metabolism and hence overall digestion. Straight after a workout in order to maximise your gains you need to eat carbs and proteines. Fats are unecessary and might to a certain extent counter act.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    still couldnt i just eat some eggs or tuna? and after eat a banana.. rather then get suppliments?
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    No, for a young person who is eating well (and in sufficient quantities), supplements are not really necessary--with a few EXCEPTIONS. If you live in a Northern climate (anything north of Virginia) you are bound to be Vitamin D deficient over the winter (you manufacture vitamin D in your skin, in response to sunlight). Unless you are into taking cod liver oil every day, you must use a vitamin D supplement. Also, if you are drinking fluoridated water, unless you are eating a LOT of seafood, you may be deficient in iodine as well (in the absence of sufficient quantities of iodine, fluoride can fill the iodiine receptor sites in the thyroid gland--leading to some level of thyroid gland dysfunction). A lot of people take a good multi-vitamin supplement (inquire at you local health food store) as "insurance" against deficiencies of one sort or another. Be aware that a surplus in one vitamin can lead to a deficit in another.
  • princesstoadstool82
    princesstoadstool82 Posts: 371 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    No, for a young person who is eating well (and in sufficient quantities), supplements are not really necessary--with a few EXCEPTIONS. If you live in a Northern climate (anything north of Virginia) you are bound to be Vitamin D deficient over the winter (you manufacture vitamin D in your skin, in response to sunlight). Unless you are into taking cod liver oil every day, you must use a vitamin D supplement. Also, if you are drinking fluoridated water, unless you are eating a LOT of seafood, you may be deficient in iodine as well (in the absence of sufficient quantities of iodine, fluoride can fill the iodiine receptor sites in the thyroid gland--leading to some level of thyroid gland dysfunction). A lot of people take a good multi-vitamin supplement (inquire at you local health food store) as "insurance" against deficiencies of one sort or another. Be aware that a surplus in one vitamin can lead to a deficit in another.

    interesting :)
    well i take womens multivitamin swisse
    blackmores excutive stress formula B vitamins
    and blackmores, immunodefence its got zinc and vitamin D in it...
    i also live in australia :)

    might get back into my fish oil though thanks for reminding me :)
  • SanteMulberry
    SanteMulberry Posts: 3,202 Member
    ahhh also showed me two products he thought would benifit me

    some themogenic stuff.... makes you burn more fat...
    and amino acids

    are suppliments really nessesary ?? i mean cant i just eat food, like protien before and after a workout, while in a deficit to stop my body consuming my muscle.... ????

    No, for a young person who is eating well (and in sufficient quantities), supplements are not really necessary--with a few EXCEPTIONS. If you live in a Northern climate (anything north of Virginia) you are bound to be Vitamin D deficient over the winter (you manufacture vitamin D in your skin, in response to sunlight). Unless you are into taking cod liver oil every day, you must use a vitamin D supplement. Also, if you are drinking fluoridated water, unless you are eating a LOT of seafood, you may be deficient in iodine as well (in the absence of sufficient quantities of iodine, fluoride can fill the iodiine receptor sites in the thyroid gland--leading to some level of thyroid gland dysfunction). A lot of people take a good multi-vitamin supplement (inquire at you local health food store) as "insurance" against deficiencies of one sort or another. Be aware that a surplus in one vitamin can lead to a deficit in another.

    interesting :)
    well i take womens multivitamin swisse
    blackmores excutive stress formula B vitamins
    and blackmores, immunodefence its got zinc and vitamin D in it...
    i also live in australia :)

    might get back into my fish oil though thanks for reminding me :)

    LOL--well then, that's a different kettle of fish. One other thought on the vitamin D. I know that Australians use a lot of sunscreen. It is important to note that, ironically, people who use sunscreen every time they are out in the sun can also be deficient in vitamin D (sunscreen blocks the manufacture of vitamin D in the skin). Before supplementing, you probably should get your doc to check your vitamin D levels. A healthy level is around 60 ng per ml of blood. Many people in the most northerly part of the Northern Hemisphere are deficient most of the year. They often have levels of 20 ng/ml or lower in the winter--woefully inadequate. Causes a lot of health problems, unless they use supplements--which, happily, many now do, under the advice of their docs. :smile:

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