Any raw vegans/ 801010'ers?
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It appears that people with eating disorders like to adopt a vegan diet. Apparently about 50% that have ED's have admitted to being vegan at one time or another.
Yes, malnutrition can lead into severely restricting diet and often leads to veganism, which usually results in further malnutrition. Most people think it works the other way around but it's often malnourishment that kicks off the cycle. In our society, even though there is too much "food" and majority are fat people are often not getting the nutrients required for a healthy body and brain.
I'm not picking on veganism because it restricts food; I also follow a lifestyle that many people consider restrictive but mine has been proven safe for millions of years while there are no known human societies that were completely vegan. I think it's theoretically possible for someone to be healthy on a vegan diet but it must be done with much knowledge and with natural, whole foods, perhaps modelling the Kitivan society who had a very high carb diet but were still healthy pre-contact. (They did still eat fish etc though.)
Seriously, processed food is very nutrient poor and those who deny that have their heads buried in the sand.
However, picking veganism because it is more "ethical" is a complete fallacy imo. All life is life, not just the big, cute, fuzzy creatures. Unfortunately we must consume life to live. All life is sentient.0 -
Are you saying that the acreage used for large vegetable planting has no impact on the animal or ground micro systems and environment as opposed to animal grazing.
I can apply that philosophy to any well-thought out diet. Veganism doesn't have the monopoly on 'less harm' to living things.
A plant-based diet isn't perfect, nothing is, but it is the least harmful food choices in terms of both animal welfare and environmental sustainability.0 -
I can apply that philosophy to any well-thought out diet. Veganism doesn't have the monopoly on 'less harm' to living things.
A plant-based diet isn't perfect, nothing is, but it is the least harmful food choices in terms of both animal welfare and environmental sustainability.
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Look, it's okay if you don't want to eat animal products. But without animals, farms cannot function as an isolated unit.0 -
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.0 -
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.
I don't eat grain-fed animals. Your argument doesn't work with my particular omnivorous diet. Since you've a strong belief in animal liberation, then we will not agree on much of anything so any further conversation is pointless.0 -
Feel free to add me and join our group 'Happy Herbivores'.
That way you don't have all the 'carnivores' jumping in and starting arguments when you just want to learn how to carb up 
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Feel free to add me and join our group 'Happy Herbivores'. That way you don't have all the 'carnivores' jumping in and starting arguments when you just want to learn how to carb up :flowerforyou:
No arguments from me. Be a vegan and be happy!
But making absolute moral statements on subjective issues will make me respond.0 -
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.
I don't eat grain-fed animals. Your argument doesn't work with my particular omnivorous diet. Since you've a strong belief in animal liberation, then we will not agree on much of anything so any further conversation is pointless.
Grain fed or grass fed. The amount of animals raised for slaughter still uses more energy.
Not sure what you expect coming into a vegan thread arguing about veganism. Anyways, I feel bad co-opting the thread. Feel free to message me if you want to continue the discussion.0 -
I just wanna say the love in this thread is awesome.0
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No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.
I don't eat grain-fed animals. Your argument doesn't work with my particular omnivorous diet. Since you've a strong belief in animal liberation, then we will not agree on much of anything so any further conversation is pointless.
Grain fed or grass fed. The amount of animals raised for slaughter still uses more energy.
Not sure what you expect coming into a vegan thread arguing about veganism. Anyways, I feel bad co-opting the thread. Feel free to message me if you want to continue the discussion.
False. A cow eating grass on someone's small farm does not use more energy than tilling a huge field of some crop for human consumption. I don't feel bad for responding to a moral absolutist statement.
In any case, I am finished as well. No need to continue.0 -
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.
I don't eat grain-fed animals. Your argument doesn't work with my particular omnivorous diet. Since you've a strong belief in animal liberation, then we will not agree on much of anything so any further conversation is pointless.
Grain fed or grass fed. The amount of animals raised for slaughter still uses more energy.
Not sure what you expect coming into a vegan thread arguing about veganism. Anyways, I feel bad co-opting the thread. Feel free to message me if you want to continue the discussion.
False. A cow eating grass on someone's small farm does not use more energy than tilling a huge field of some crop for human consumption. I don't feel bad for responding to a moral absolutist statement.
In any case, I am finished as well. No need to continue.
I think you're forgetting about the gigantic demand for meat.
Also emissions. Grass fed cattle produce 4x the methane of grain-fed cattle.
Seriously, feel free to message me.0 -
Methane represents 2% to global warming and melting icebergs give off most of that methane but vegans like to blame it on cows. Fuels account for half of all corn production....do you drive to get your vegetables or use any type of transportantion......this leads to the direct devastation of animal habit and the shrinking of estuaries around the world.....won't even get into the devastation in rain forests for palm and the encroachment upon animal ecosystems........buy locally from farmers that support sustainable farming.....which includes crop rotation and lets not forget sheep ****. :happy:
No, it's not. Extensive monoculture of soy and wheat and corn isn't very environmentally friendly. Animal welfare issues are easily solved by eating locally produced meat that one visits on the very farms they're raised on. That's something I do personally every time I purchase my eggs or meat.
Over 60% of the grain grown is to feed livestock for slaughter. It takes 10x more energy to produce meat products.
As far as animal welfare, I believe in animal liberation. I don't believe we have the right of "ownership" over other animals. That's why veganISM is important to me.
I don't eat grain-fed animals. Your argument doesn't work with my particular omnivorous diet. Since you've a strong belief in animal liberation, then we will not agree on much of anything so any further conversation is pointless.
Grain fed or grass fed. The amount of animals raised for slaughter still uses more energy.
Not sure what you expect coming into a vegan thread arguing about veganism. Anyways, I feel bad co-opting the thread. Feel free to message me if you want to continue the discussion.
False. A cow eating grass on someone's small farm does not use more energy than tilling a huge field of some crop for human consumption. I don't feel bad for responding to a moral absolutist statement.
In any case, I am finished as well. No need to continue.
I think you're forgetting about the gigantic demand for meat and the amount of greenhouse gas emissions animals produce, especially cows. Spreading them out on more land doesn't change that.0 -
I would hope that vegans take a holistic approach to anti-oppression, i.e. human/animal/environmental rights & liberation. Of course, most people just see it as a diet and not an anti-oppression lifestyle. Veganism isn't the fix to all environmental problems, but it sure is a huge part of it. Any way you slice it the livestock industry, including grasslands cattle have a huge environmental impact. A plant-based diet is a good individual choice but without also fighting for justice, health and freedom for all beings it's useless.0
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If you have a history with eating disorders - adopting a very restrictive diet is not healthy. Please speak to your Doctor or Counselor before you relapse.0
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Im also 80/10/10 and high raw
although i rarely log food i still like talking to people and so on
Would love to have similar friends!0 -
what is 80/10/10?0
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I am 80/10/10 raw til 4 0
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I've been doing Raw Till 4 since April 2013 however I was deep into an eating disorder at that point so did the lifestyle, but heavily restricted. I've been doing RT4 the correct way for 41 days now and went from a severely underweight BMI to almost a healthy one.
Feel free to add me as a friend so you can see my daily intake. I eat 3K+ calories a day and follow more a 90/5/5 lifestyle. Raw till 4/811/955 isn't about restriction, it is about abundance, Eating as much fruit, veggies, and root carbs as you care for.
Love this lifestyle and definitely will be able to sustain it for the rest of my life!0
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