A word to all about sexism.
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That's not what it shows. It shows a woman being crushed under a barbell she tried to lift.
Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
The rest of that (all the stereotypes, value judgments and vitriol) was generated inside your head.0 -
So, if I saw a woman being subject to some level of sexism, would I be a white knight if I came to her rescue, or would I just be another oppressor?
Hmmmmmmm0 -
PARADOX!!!
LOL good one dirty_dirty_e0 -
That's not what it shows. It shows a woman being crushed under a barbell she tried to lift.
Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
The rest of that (all the stereotypes, value judgments and vitriol) was generated inside your head.
Did you not see the 'women leaves kitchen' part at the bottom orrrrrr....:huh:
Yes the image shows a woman being crushed by a barbell. But I am not just talking about the image, I'm talking about the entire picture + text = the joke, from a critical point of view - so yes it was technically generated inside my head. That's where thoughts come from, you know.0 -
cloudbustr: Never met anyone who calls themselves a chick and cannot laugh at the joke. I think this is funny as heck (picture of fake news), mainly because I guarantee she can out lift me any day. I get winded trying to lift a 35lbs TV, so I think I would cry like a baby about this one, wait is that prejudice toward babies (just joking along at this point folks, no need to get so serious)
Nice to meet you :drinker:0 -
So, you're not one of those "don't call me a 'chick'" chicks? Nevertheless, classmates like you are what made my women's studies classes so much fun.
That's not what it shows. It shows a woman being crushed under a barbell she tried to lift.
Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
The rest of that (all the stereotypes, value judgments and vitriol) was generated inside your head.
Did you not see the 'women leaves kitchen' part at the bottom orrrrrr....:huh:
Yes the image shows a woman being crushed by a barbell. But I am not just talking about the image, I'm talking about the entire picture + text = the joke, from a critical point of view - so yes it was technically generated inside my head. That's where thoughts come from, you know.
Edit: too many apostrophes and direct/indirect quotes in a row0 -
the thing about -ism's is that they are highly interpreted by our own social machines and personal reads on life.
At the fundamental CORE of any ism, is the choice.
I am a feminist, which means I get to choose....i choose my sexism, I choose how I express my feminism, I choose my humor, I choose what I laugh at and what I don't laugh at.
Every choice I make reinforces my identity as a person, a woman and a feminist.
and I *kitten* laughed so hard at that woman failing at the bar.
Why? because as a feminist I have the right to find that funny....(Even the woman leaves the kitchen sidebar comment)
why is that funny to me? The feminist? Simple, because I worry about doing that sometimes when I do OHP, I worry about that happening to me, to see it happen to someone else just like I worry, puts me at ease,
if it happens, I won't be the first, I won't be the last and I will probably be JUST as funny as she was in her facial expression...
and I LOVE the kitchen, including making sammiches....
SO....in my feministic reality based on my social perceptions of my identity...
that was *kitten* hilarious and the OP's heart was in the right place.
maybe he didn't express it to other peoples satisfaction, but frankly, sometimes when i'm trying to get a point across I don't always voice it to the other persons satisfaction, and to have that "forgiven" I have to allow forgiveness elsewhere...
that's all.0 -
So, you're not one of those "don't call me a 'chick'" chicks? Nevertheless, classmates like you are what made my women's studies classes so much fun.
Edit: too many apostrophes and direct/indirect quotes in a row
I guess I'm not! :smokin: and I'm making the progressive choice to take that as a compliment :drinker:
PS: never took women's studies, but I went to art school and took fibre and art history classes, so basically the same environment I imagine.0 -
the thing about -ism's is that they are highly interpreted by our own social machines and personal reads on life.
At the fundamental CORE of any ism, is the choice.
I am a feminist, which means I get to choose....i choose my sexism, I choose how I express my feminism, I choose my humor, I choose what I laugh at and what I don't laugh at.
Every choice I make reinforces my identity as a person, a woman and a feminist.
and I *kitten* laughed so hard at that woman failing at the bar.
Why? because as a feminist I have the right to find that funny....(Even the woman leaves the kitchen sidebar comment)
why is that funny to me? The feminist? Simple, because I worry about doing that sometimes when I do OHP, I worry about that happening to me, to see it happen to someone else just like I worry, puts me at ease,
if it happens, I won't be the first, I won't be the last and I will probably be JUST as funny as she was in her facial expression...
and I LOVE the kitchen, including making sammiches....
SO....in my feministic reality based on my social perceptions of my identity...
that was *kitten* hilarious and the OP's heart was in the right place.
maybe he didn't express it to other peoples satisfaction, but frankly, sometimes when i'm trying to get a point across I don't always voice it to the other persons satisfaction, and to have that "forgiven" I have to allow forgiveness elsewhere...
that's all.
I don't find funny as hell. I'm afraid she hurt herself! So no, I don't 'get' THAT particular satire, though I know the effect they were trying for.0 -
You are still not getting the actual jokes. Yes I see that the caption says, "women leaves kitchen." Do you?
That's not what it shows. It shows a woman being crushed under a barbell she tried to lift.
Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
The rest of that (all the stereotypes, value judgments and vitriol) was generated inside your head.
Did you not see the 'women leaves kitchen' part at the bottom orrrrrr....:huh:
Yes the image shows a woman being crushed by a barbell. But I am not just talking about the image, I'm talking about the entire picture + text = the joke, from a critical point of view - so yes it was technically generated inside my head. That's where thoughts come from, you know.
The idea that this one picture proves that women should not leave the kitchen suggests the person making the joke is stupid. The misuse of plural enhances the effect and makes it funnier. The joke is on the one who tells it and anyone who believes it.
(That and making light of a failure by assigning a reason that doesn't make any sense is also funny, and that aspect would be just as funny regardless of the sex of the person in the picture.)0 -
I dont really get the point in this post. In a nutshell, it's like saying
"Hey all. I am Dave, and I hate racism, sexism and other similar prejudices (although if its a joke, then it's funny). Peace to all"
Are you just after a pat on the back? I dont like racism or sexism either (although I agree, sexist jokes about women are hilarious) but I am no saint because of it....0 -
I dont really get the point in this post. In a nutshell, it's like saying
"Hey all. I am Dave, and I hate racism, sexism and other similar prejudices (although if its a joke, then it's funny). Peace to all"
Are you just after a pat on the back? I dont like racism or sexism either (although I agree, sexist jokes about women are hilarious) but I am no saint because of it....
This. And if you'd posted a similar discussion/ rant but about racism and come out with similar comments but replacing women with black people, you'd have been ripped to bits. Your heart might be in the right place but I find your posts patronising. I and most of my female friends are more than capable of standing up for ourselves if faced with overt sexism.0 -
OP, that was a good ad and a nice post and you seem to be a good person. Somehow your kind sentiment will not be good enough because I don't think it is PC to notice that women are women or generalize us in any way, shape, or form.
Have fun and don't get your feelings hurt with all that may follow. :laugh:
^^ This.
It's just safer to look at all humans as an androgynous mass of meat. There are huge gender differences in just about every bi-gendered animal on the face of the planet, but not in humans. No, no. We've evolved above that. Apparently some of us have evolved past manners as well.0 -
and yet somehow, you could almost see this coming... :indifferent:0
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I dont really get the point in this post. In a nutshell, it's like saying
"Hey all. I am Dave, and I hate racism, sexism and other similar prejudices (although if its a joke, then it's funny). Peace to all"
Are you just after a pat on the back? I dont like racism or sexism either (although I agree, sexist jokes about women are hilarious) but I am no saint because of it....
This. And if you'd posted a similar discussion/ rant but about racism and come out with similar comments but replacing women with black people, you'd have been ripped to bits. Your heart might be in the right place but I find your posts patronising. I and most of my female friends are more than capable of standing up for ourselves if faced with overt sexism.
Oh ok, you didnt sense the irony in my comment, following on from the theme that the original poster finds some sexist jokes funny. This cannot always be transpired in written text, admittedly.
But yes, I am blissfully aware of the difference in sensitivities around racism and sexism. A racist joke evolves around purely something which the victim cannot do anything about - their race, whereas a lot of sexist jokes are brought about by the difference in attitudes and personalities that have evolved between men and women. In fact, sexism towards males (in the UK at least) is generally more accepted than vice versa.
I wasnt trying to stick up for anybody, least of all you, so dont worry. I was just merely questioning the purpose of posting something which is plain obvious while appearing to search for recognition for it.0 -
"In fact, sexism towards males (in the UK at least) is generally more accepted than vice versa"
Oh, oh! Did we hit the requisite 'men have it worse' within 2 pages? I think this counts, yes
Thank you, OP. Possibly patronizing, and kinda strange to bring up for that reason alone, but I still appreciate it when it's acknowledged that some behavior towards women still just sucks. Because it does, yeah. We'll be alright and all, but thanks anyway
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Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
This is an example of looking for reasons to be butthurt over nothing.0 -
I dont really get the point in this post. In a nutshell, it's like saying
"Hey all. I am Dave, and I hate racism, sexism and other similar prejudices (although if its a joke, then it's funny). Peace to all"
Are you just after a pat on the back? I dont like racism or sexism either (although I agree, sexist jokes about women are hilarious) but I am no saint because of it....
This. And if you'd posted a similar discussion/ rant but about racism and come out with similar comments but replacing women with black people, you'd have been ripped to bits. Your heart might be in the right place but I find your posts patronising. I and most of my female friends are more than capable of standing up for ourselves if faced with overt sexism.
Oh ok, you didnt sense the irony in my comment, following on from the theme that the original poster finds some sexist jokes funny. This cannot always be transpired in written text, admittedly.
But yes, I am blissfully aware of the difference in sensitivities around racism and sexism. A racist joke evolves around purely something which the victim cannot do anything about - their race, whereas a lot of sexist jokes are brought about by the difference in attitudes and personalities that have evolved between men and women. In fact, sexism towards males (in the UK at least) is generally more accepted than vice versa.
I wasnt trying to stick up for anybody, least of all you, so dont worry. I was just merely questioning the purpose of posting something which is plain obvious while appearing to search for recognition for it.
My comments were to the OP, not your post as I was agreeing with you! Although being in the UK myself I have to laugh at your comment about sexism towards males.0 -
I guess I'm still new enough to MFP that I genuinely wasn't expecting this. Whew. You guys sure know how to turn a nice guy into a misogynist and a joke into a personal attack.
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Pantene commercial broke my heart.
I just can't relate.
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"In fact, sexism towards males (in the UK at least) is generally more accepted than vice versa"
Oh, oh! Did we hit the requisite 'men have it worse' within 2 pages? I think this counts, yes
Thank you, OP. Possibly patronizing, and kinda strange to bring up for that reason alone, but I still appreciate it when it's acknowledged that some behavior towards women still just sucks. Because it does, yeah. We'll be alright and all, but thanks anyway
"Some behaviour towards women still just sucks"... And some behaviour towards men. and races and... The list goes on. We're all human. Sexism and prejudice can happen to everyone and sadly is still very common.
Oh, definitely agreed! And I get angry about sexism towards men, and it is out there. I just think it's going a bit far to be so sure that it's worse than that towards women, lol. And that point really does always come up by men when discussing sexism towards women. Never fails. Ever!
Better than that is when (we) white folks list our woes in discussions on racism against PoC, though. Blows my mind every single time!0 -
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Right, like if my lifting friends and I laugh about this, we're sexist? :noway: It's clearly satire, because we're all female lifters.
Except he didn't ridicule the ideas. His view was consistent through his post. There's a reason that its the racists and sexists that find racist and sexist jokes funny, and its not because they are ridiculing their own ideas.
FYI the point of many 'sexist' and 'racist' jokes is satire. They present those ideas to ridicule them, not to condone them. That's why it's important to know your audience and vice versa.P.S. Sexist jokes are still sexist and annoying. Claiming humor makes it ok to saying offensive things or condone narrow stereotypes is a tactic as old as time.
So if I laugh at someone joking about a woman making a sammich...I'm sexist? Somehow, understanding humor says that I automatically am a sexist that believes women shouldn't leave the kitchen? :huh:
If this image was cleverly satirical, it would show two people: a man buckling under the falling Oly bar, and a woman holding the similarly-weighted bar triumphantly. Or something to that effect.
But it doesn't, it shows a woman "failing" at doing a man's job once again, and the joke is reinstating a sexist stereotype where the "weak woman" is the punchline once again. As a chick, I personally don't get how it's funny to other women, but you do you.
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wait hold what things up high? our vaginas? :laugh:I didn't watch the commercial, but ladies, the only thing that differentiates you, in my opinion, is your vaginas. Keep on rock in' equality in 2014! You hold those things up high and don't put just anything in there. You have my support!!!
LMAO this is exactly what I thought too!
Anyway, OP your heart is in the right place, so good for you. I actually had never seen that commercial and I do like it.0 -
treat each person with the respect they are due as humans, and appreciate their human contributions to the human race.
This. Everyone should be judged individually.0 -
I guess I'm still new enough to MFP that I genuinely wasn't expecting this. Whew. You guys sure know how to turn a nice guy into a misogynist and a joke into a personal attack.
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