How much deadlift is too much deadlift?

edwardkim85

So I went to crossfit on Sunday and the strength workout was:

16 Minute EMOM(Every minute on the minute - this means you do your reps, then rest for the remainder of the minute. Deadlift generally took 15 sec for 3 reps so I got a 45 sec break.)

Odd: 3 Deadlifts (Choose a weight that’s heavy enough but can touch-n-go)
Even: 7-3 Strict Pullups (scale a rep count if you fail)

I used 315lbs for deadlifts, so I did a total of 3 x 8 = 24 reps that day. My max is around 430.

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Now for tomorrow's workout, it is:

- Conditioning -

“Stanely-CrossFit 626 Hero WOD”

50 Deadlifts (BW-bodyweight)
50 Incline Pushups (24/20 “)
50 Box Jumps (24/20 “)
1.6 km (1 mile) Run

My bodyweight is 115kgish.

Normally I can take breaks and finish the 50, but I've never done deadlifts(with this much volume) more than once a week before.

Bad idea?

somerisagirlsname

However much you hurt yourself on would be too much. If your form is correct and you are gradually increasing this shouldn't be an issue.

ETA: If you're asking about doing too MANY deadlifts in a short amount of time, I have no idea but I wouldn't think so since you're jumping down to bodyweight deadlifts.

MB_Positif

I don't do deadlifts at that type of volume, but my current 1RM is 45 pounds heavier than my body weight, so I don't see doing body weight at higher reps as a problem.

That said, Crossfit is about pushing yourself so I am pretty sure you'll be seeing a lot of volume in the compound lifts.

Edit: I currently do my working sets at 30 pounds over body weight

abuck_13

There are a lot of variables that come into play here. I'm not a pt or professional, but when I was into the heavy lifting the rule used to be, if you went to failure, you went two to three days between "parts" with no more than two failure sets a week, for lighter and not failure, 1 to 2 days with no more than three per week

So, something along these lines - if you hit failure on lower body on Monday, you would not do lower body again until Thursday or Friday

AromaticTie0

Flinging weight about like that can be a recipe for disaster. The fact that you're racing through sets because of a clock seems especially bad. Do you have a spotter? Or at least somebody who is literally watching your back? Bad form will put you in a world of hurt.

I've done that volume at that weight before. Been right where you are with max and reps. 5 sets of 6 for me @315.

And I've been through physical therapy for my back for an unrelated injury. Your back does not bounce back (ha ha) the way other parts do.

Get a spotter. Focus on form, not time. Lift what you can without losing form, and you'll be fine.

ElliottTN

This is completely a recipe for disaster. This is exactly why crossfit gets so much hate. The chance you are really going to F yourself up vs any small benefit of why te har you doing this is INSANE. Not in the "OMG you guys are working so hard its insane" way, the "A you Fin stupid" insane way.

FIRST. Timed or any mitigated time for deadlifts is completely stupid. This is one of the one things in the gym you never NEVER want to rush. The consequences for rushed bad form for this lift are huge. Does a skipped disk sound like fun? Does chronic pain in your lower back for the rest of your life sound hardcore? All because you get rushed and have xrappy form once is all it takes and it doesn't even have to be at a high weight. Even when you are not timed everyone has an inclination to slip to bad form as their CNS is maxed out, doing this lift at a time interval is just irresponsible at best.

Now, hitting it again the very next day? What the hell are you smoking. The lower back takes a good deal longer to recover than most anything in your body. During this lift you are basically using your spine for leverage while curling up, if you hit something like this again when you are fatigued its basically the perfect disaster for torquing you lower back pretty bad. Almost everyone's form begins to degrade as they fatigue unless you really are an elite few.

The risk to benefit of this setup is insanely lopsided and not in your favor. Cancel your membership to that crap because if they are screwing up the most obvious things like this who knows what other crap they are doing that is not so obvious. If you are deadest in crossfit than find another "box"

dbmata

Sounds like a bad choice to me.

If you do it, report back.

MB_Positif

This is completely a recipe for disaster. This is exactly why crossfit gets so much hate. The chance you are really going to F yourself up vs any small benefit of why te har you doing this is INSANE. Not in the "OMG you guys are working so hard its insane" way, the "A you Fin stupid" insane way.

FIRST. Timed or any mitigated time for deadlifts is completely stupid. This is one of the one things in the gym you never NEVER want to rush. The consequences for rushed bad form for this lift are huge. Does a skipped disk sound like fun? Does chronic pain in your lower back for the rest of your life sound hardcore? All because you get rushed and have xrappy form once is all it takes and it doesn't even have to be at a high weight. Even when you are not timed everyone has an inclination to slip to bad form as their CNS is maxed out, doing this lift at a time interval is just irresponsible at best.

Now, hitting it again the very next day? What the hell are you smoking. The lower back takes a good deal longer to recover than most anything in your body. During this lift you are basically using your spine for leverage while curling up, if you hit something like this again when you are fatigued its basically the perfect disaster for torquing you lower back pretty bad. Almost everyone's form begins to degrade as they fatigue unless you really are an elite few.

The risk to benefit of this setup is insanely lopsided and not in your favor. Cancel your membership to that crap because if they are screwing up the most obvious things like this who knows what other crap they are doing that is not so obvious. If you are deadest in crossfit than find another "box"

This is good information. I should have been a little more specific in my reply earlier. I said that I didn't see it as a problem but I wasn't thinking of it in terms of being timed and all of that. I was just thinking of the weight and number of reps

piperdown44

This is completely a recipe for disaster. This is exactly why crossfit gets so much hate. The chance you are really going to F yourself up vs any small benefit of why te har you doing this is INSANE. Not in the "OMG you guys are working so hard its insane" way, the "A you Fin stupid" insane way.

FIRST. Timed or any mitigated time for deadlifts is completely stupid. This is one of the one things in the gym you never NEVER want to rush. The consequences for rushed bad form for this lift are huge. Does a skipped disk sound like fun? Does chronic pain in your lower back for the rest of your life sound hardcore? All because you get rushed and have xrappy form once is all it takes and it doesn't even have to be at a high weight. Even when you are not timed everyone has an inclination to slip to bad form as their CNS is maxed out, doing this lift at a time interval is just irresponsible at best.

Now, hitting it again the very next day? What the hell are you smoking. The lower back takes a good deal longer to recover than most anything in your body. During this lift you are basically using your spine for leverage while curling up, if you hit something like this again when you are fatigued its basically the perfect disaster for torquing you lower back pretty bad. Almost everyone's form begins to degrade as they fatigue unless you really are an elite few.

The risk to benefit of this setup is insanely lopsided and not in your favor. Cancel your membership to that crap because if they are screwing up the most obvious things like this who knows what other crap they are doing that is not so obvious. If you are deadest in crossfit than find another "box"

^^^QFT!!

rileysowner

So I went to crossfit on Sunday and the strength workout was:

16 Minute EMOM(Every minute on the minute - this means you do your reps, then rest for the remainder of the minute. Deadlift generally took 15 sec for 3 reps so I got a 45 sec break.)

Odd: 3 Deadlifts (Choose a weight that’s heavy enough but can touch-n-go)
Even: 7-3 Strict Pullups (scale a rep count if you fail)

I used 315lbs for deadlifts, so I did a total of 3 x 8 = 24 reps that day. My max is around 430.

=====

Now for tomorrow's workout, it is:

- Conditioning -

“Stanely-CrossFit 626 Hero WOD”

50 Deadlifts (BW-bodyweight)
50 Incline Pushups (24/20 “)
50 Box Jumps (24/20 “)
1.6 km (1 mile) Run

My bodyweight is 115kgish.

Normally I can take breaks and finish the 50, but I've never done deadlifts(with this much volume) more than once a week before.

Bad idea?

When I read bodyweight I understand doing just the motion without an added weight. If this is lifting the equivalent of your bodyweight on the bar, that is the different story. That would be way too much deadlifts in two days.

ItsCasey

This is why I don't understand Crossfit. You're basically doing interval deadlifts at 75% of your 1RM, and then the next day, you're trying to see how quickly you can complete 50 deadlifts at bodyweight? Why? What is the overarching purpose? Does any Crossfitter ever ask those questions?

vjohn04

So I went to crossfit on Sunday and the strength workout was:

16 Minute EMOM(Every minute on the minute - this means you do your reps, then rest for the remainder of the minute. Deadlift generally took 15 sec for 3 reps so I got a 45 sec break.)

Odd: 3 Deadlifts (Choose a weight that’s heavy enough but can touch-n-go)
Even: 7-3 Strict Pullups (scale a rep count if you fail)

I used 315lbs for deadlifts, so I did a total of 3 x 8 = 24 reps that day. My max is around 430.

=====

Now for tomorrow's workout, it is:

- Conditioning -

“Stanely-CrossFit 626 Hero WOD”

50 Deadlifts (BW-bodyweight)
50 Incline Pushups (24/20 “)
50 Box Jumps (24/20 “)
1.6 km (1 mile) Run

My bodyweight is 115kgish.

Normally I can take breaks and finish the 50, but I've never done deadlifts(with this much volume) more than once a week before.

Bad idea?

When I read bodyweight I understand doing just the motion without an added weight. If this is lifting the equivalent of your bodyweight on the bar, that is the different story. That would be way too much deadlifts in two days.

^^this is how I read it too. But regardless, the whole thing makes no sense. There is no goal in cross fit except to do the exercises, so I suppose that's why there is no rhyme or reason as to what is Rxed.

cwolfman13

I see little point in repping out a bunch of deadlifts...the most I would ever consider would be 3x8s...but really the 3x5 or 5x5 rep range is optimal for what the dead-lift is intended to accomplish. Doing a million dead-lifts seems silly...there are more effective ways of training those muscles for muscular endurance. Doing dead-lifts on back to back days seems even more asinine...I don't dead-lift more than twice per week...and even then, I alternate between once per week and then twice per week...then once per week, then twice per week.

This is one of the numerous qualms I have with Crossfit...which on the surface seems like it could be really awesome...but then they go out and do stupid ****.

FrnkLft

This is completely a recipe for disaster. This is exactly why crossfit gets so much hate. The chance you are really going to F yourself up vs any small benefit of why te har you doing this is INSANE. Not in the "OMG you guys are working so hard its insane" way, the "A you Fin stupid" insane way.

Yeah man, I agree. I mean, I like CrossFit actually, but when you're doing heavy, techical lifts for reps within time, that's just rediculous.

Man most people have to reset so they maintain form, and you're repping like crazy to get in under time. No doubt you can do it, and props man 3 plates is a goal for me still, but you have GOT to use your head even if CrossFit allows for it.

jwdieter

ElliottTN covered it pretty well. It's like some teenager making a "hard core" music mix, but with exercises.

JoRocka

Everyone pretty much covered it it seems... but I would add

If you are currently progressively training for lifting- stay away from the crossfit stuff- it's not training- it's just exercise. It doesn't have long term goals in mind- so you are going to not get anywhere if you are training strength to get further- it's just not going to happen- you are going to slide backwards.

Also that much weight- all the time is a recipe for issues.

DavPul

50 DLs of 225+? OUT. Especially just a few days after DL 315 for multiple reps and sets.

I'm not opposed to doing some balls out crazy exercise routines but I'd be more inclined to do them if 1) they mesh well with the rest of my routine, meaning that the muscles worked get a break and i get enough overall rest for my CNS and 2) it's not two scoops of balls out crazy topped with extreme fudge and insane sprinkles. If 50 DL @225 was the workout, not my bag but sure, why not? But add it to the rest of that day's challenge and add it to the what you did Sunday and what you'll probably do Thusday and I'm OUT

skullshank

However much you hurt yourself on would be too much.

but it's crossfit, so i think the saying is

"however much you hurt yourself on would be the right amount"

dbmata

However much you hurt yourself on would be too much.

but it's crossfit, so i think the saying is

"however much you hurt yourself on would be the right amount"

oh and if you get hurt, it's your fault.

jonnythan

What the #-%($&?!?!

Why would you do this? What's the point? Is it just cool, or something? Faster is better? More is better? More and faster is best?

This is only a good idea if your goal is to look awesome to the bignorant bros at the gym (and an idiot to the people who know what they're doing).


(Bignorant was a typo, but I kinda like it so I'll leave it.)

edwardkim85

Hello all.

Didn't expect this many responses lol.

I ended up doing it - my body weight is 255 pounds so I did 255 pound deadlift.

I was planning on just stopping if it was too much or my form started breaking from exhaustion.

I broke it up into sets of 10 x 5 x run(x4).

10 x 255lbs deadlift, 10 x 24 inch box jumps, 10 incline pushups, 400m run.

I didn't look at the clock and focused on proper form and went at my own pace and finished it at 21:06.

I did the first 10 255lbs unbroken, but after the second set onwards I had to break it down into 2, 3 reps to complete the 10(and constantly switched grips). Form didn't really suffer since I did 1 rep x 10 for the last 10 reps.

Never done this much volume in a short period of time with deadlifts so was a bit worried. I've never done deadlift more than once a week before in my life.

I feel it more on my gluts and hamstring since I drive up with my hip thrust(just like a kettlebell swing).

Would I do it again? probably not.

Did I survive? Yes

edwardkim85

Most exercises or WoD are ok. They post the workouts the night before so I read it through and if I work out the same muscle group multiple times(shoulder, for example), I just skip it and go to my local gym for a walk/run and to workout diff. muscle groups.

I don't really worry about the 'time' aspect of crossfit. I just go at my own pace. It'll gradually improve, but I just stop my exercise if I get so fatigued that my form starts giving.

I don't 'workout' through injuries , skin tears, bleeding, like some crossfitters do. Personally, that's just for promo to show how 'intense' they are. Most people are regular people or ex athletes like me who just enjoy the competetiveness and 'exercise'.

Not really defending crossfit. It's a relatively new(commercially) and I'm sure there are a lot of flaws to be fixed.

For me, it fits my body type and goals well, at least for now. I weighed 280 pounds about 3.5 months ago, couldn't run, couldn't bench more than 225, couldn't do a pullup, to list a few exercises.

Now 3.5 months later at 255 pounds, I can run a 8 min mile/ bench 225 12-14 times/ can do 6-7 strict pullups.

My diet hasn't been as strict as I would like to be, but I still get about 2k - 2200 / day and have a few '5k' days where I just eat what I want.

So crossfit has worked for me so far. I eventually want to compete in something let it be crossfit games, boxing, etc so whatever I choose, I'm sure I'll need to gear my diet and training more specific towards that for now.

But for my current goal(fat loss, min. muscle loss, strength gain, learning olympic lifts), crossfit seems to be a good fit.

Hope that helped!

Thanks for your responses and worries - read them all and appreciate it!

edwardkim85

This is why I don't understand Crossfit. You're basically doing interval deadlifts at 75% of your 1RM, and then the next day, you're trying to see how quickly you can complete 50 deadlifts at bodyweight? Why? What is the overarching purpose? Does any Crossfitter ever ask those questions?

Good question lol. My attitude is just '.... ugh.... **** it lets do this'

I can understand 50 deadlifts total at like 40% - 50% max weight for deadlift, but the 'body weight' part seemed a bit odd.

A guy that weighed 160 lbs did all the above exercises in 14 minutes(including the run). I did 255 lbs in 21 min.

Don't see why weight should matter here.... max 1 rep deadlift should determine the weight you do for 50 reps.

Why 50 reps you ask? I have no idea. Some Crossfitter in US headquarters probably decided that 50 is doable while 100 is too intense so probably made it 50. Lol

jonnythan

If you have no idea why you're doing am exercise, don't do it. Seriously. Train with a purpose. Don't just do random exercises for no good reason other than "**** it."

edwardkim85

If you have no idea why you're doing am exercise, don't do it. Seriously. Train with a purpose. Don't just do random exercises for no good reason other than "**** it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnjYyfkcaNI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUduKuJToxWPizJ7I2E6n1kA

broscience!

DavPul

hmmmm.....i guess it makes a bit more sense to me now. i hadn't thought of in terms of either showing up at the box and doing the WoD or just going to another gym and doing your own thing (or resting). Since it's an open thing, many people would be there today that weren't there when you did the previous workout. So if you're picking and choosing which days to show, you can easily regulate your rest time between muscle groups.

I still wouldn't have done these back to back like you did, but I can see it from the box's perspective now.

*and it's a bit early to say that you survived. i did 25x250 unbroken a few weeks ago and it wrecked my regular workouts for a week. if i didn't modify my workouts the following days an injury or sumthin would have been likely

DavPul

If you have no idea why you're doing am exercise, don't do it. Seriously. Train with a purpose. Don't just do random exercises for no good reason other than "**** it."

i dunno, different people have different purposes. i do a lot of stuff because i like doing it, and will take on a lot of challenges just cuz, fk it, i want to see if i can. it can be some weird, made up thing like sandbags, burpees and double unders for time or it can be something seemingly normal like running 10 miles without stopping. Except for me, the running would be the "WHY DO THAT?" part and the sandbag would be the normal seeming thing.

I don't really have a problem with exercise for exercise's sake. Just don't do dumb shish

chatty826

A boxs programming may incorporate different things so I would have

1) made that a rest day

2) scaled the amount of weight

3) not worried about the time and maintained proper form

Also for everyone harping on CF. A good box has coaches who are watching you with every lift you do and spotters for lifts that need spotters. Your coach should yell at you if you are doing something stupid, our coaches do and CF has been amazing for me. I did the whole personal trainer globo gym. Honestly if people are working out what does it matter how they are doing it? You can get hurt just as easily running, or working out at a globo gym as you can crossfitting.

Sreneesa

If you have no idea why you're doing am exercise, don't do it. Seriously. Train with a purpose. Don't just do random exercises for no good reason other than "**** it."

i dunno, different people have different purposes. i do a lot of stuff because i like doing it, and will take on a lot of challenges just cuz, fk it, i want to see if i can. it can be some weird, made up thing like sandbags, burpees and double unders for time or it can be something seemingly normal like running 10 miles without stopping. Except for me, the running would be the "WHY DO THAT?" part and the sandbag would be the normal seeming thing.

I don't really have a problem with exercise for exercise's sake. Just don't do dumb shish

Exactly. Different people have different purposes..

Warchortle

You'll probably need a belt if you're going to do that much volume. ~74% of max isn't that bad, but that volume.. It's really not smart to take a heavy compound movement and turn it into (as fast as possible) cardio on a daily basis.

Purple_Orchid_87

Does a skipped disk sound like fun? Does chronic pain in your lower back for the rest of your life sound hardcore? All because you get rushed and have xrappy form once is all it takes and it doesn't even have to be at a high weight.

I slipped down my stairs in the middle of the night trying to get to the bathroom and slipped a disc, that was August 2012 and I'm still not able to lift anything over around 3kgs, and I cant turn to look over my shoulder when crossing a road without a shooting pain up to my shoulder

you defo don't want a prolapsed/slipped disc x