My little journey through Subway being "fake" food
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I just had veggies and cheese. I mean, seriously impossible to screw up, but but they somehow did. lol(though I prefer Jersey Mike's)...
I have to ask. We got a Jersey Mike's here a few months ago and some of my friends (some FROM NJ) were going crazy over it, talking about how wonderful it is. So we finally tried it out and I had no idea it was even possible to make a bad sub, but it was the absolute worst sub I have ever had and I will NEVER go back there. So what is so great about this place? Or do we just have a bad one?
1) Nearly every subway I've been to, they put like 1 scrap of meat on the sandwich and call it a sub. 2) I'm not a huge fan of subs overall... when we go to Jersey Mike's I usually get a grilled chicken wrap. My hubby is a big sub lover and he really likes their subs. Actually... now that I think about it... I think the best sub I ever ate was actually from Jimmy Johns. Their bread is REALLY yummy
Wegmans (a grocery store chain that unfortunately is not here) has amazing subs. I get either Publix (not the best ever, but good) and Firehouse. Subway stopped carrying Swiss cheese so I stopped going there.
OMG your Subway used to have Swiss cheese?!? I have never seen that at a Subway..NOM NOM NOM...0 -
Here's a quote from a UK cancer organization about the recent EPIC study:
http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/03/07/bacon-processed-meat-mortality-burgers/People who ate more than 160g of processed meat per day (NB, that’s a lot of daily meat) were 18 per cent more likely to die than those who ate between 10 and 20g a day.
The link between red meat and premature death wasn’t statistically significant after the researchers had corrected for possible biases.
There was no link between eating more poultry and an early death.
Those who ate the most processed meat also ate the fewest fruit and vegetables and were more likely to smoke, while men who ate a lot of meat also tended to drink heavily – this is significant, in both senses of the word (see below).
If everyone on the study had eaten 20g of meat or less daily – about a sausage day – then the researchers reckon that overall death rate would have dropped by 3 per cent. We reckon that works out as about 800 deaths (out of a total of just over 26,000) over the study period (using the famous ‘back of an envelope’ method).
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As we noted above, the study showed high levels of processed meat consumption tended to go hand in hand with a diet low in fruit and veg, and with high levels of alcohol consumption and smoking. These are generally behaviours that are found more often in lower income groups, and point to an underlying problem – growing income and health inequality (a point excellently summarised by Ally Fogg in the Guardian earlier this week).
So we think access to good quality, affordable food; information about healthy diets (including properly labelled food); and restrictions on how ‘risky’ foods like processed meat are marketed (particularly to children), are all necessary in these straitened times if we’re to prevent the health gap between top and bottom, mapped out so eloquently by Sir Michael Marmot in 2010, from widening further.
Their final comment about processed meat:And finally, if you’re someone who enjoys a really ‘meaty’ diet (you know who you are), but your diet contains lots of salami, chorizo, ham and other cured meats, you’d do well to occasionally, maybe, think about swapping these for chicken, fish or (thinking environmentally here) vegetables like beans or lentils. We don’t want to wag fingers, nor apportion blame.
We just want people to be aware of what the evidence says.
And basically, it says ‘everything in moderation’ (except smoking).
But you knew that already.0 -
And finally, if you’re someone who enjoys a really ‘meaty’ diet (you know who you are), but your diet contains lots of salami, chorizo, ham and other cured meats, you’d do well to occasionally, maybe, think about swapping these for chicken, fish or (thinking environmentally here) vegetables like beans or lentils. We don’t want to wag fingers, nor apportion blame.
We just want people to be aware of what the evidence says.
And basically, it says ‘everything in moderation’ (except smoking).
But you knew that already.
This is why I need to move to the UK, addressing idiocy with humor (sorry humour), gotta love it.0 -
Years ago. They had it, then they didn't, then they did again and now it's gone.
I just had veggies and cheese. I mean, seriously impossible to screw up, but but they somehow did. lol(though I prefer Jersey Mike's)...
I have to ask. We got a Jersey Mike's here a few months ago and some of my friends (some FROM NJ) were going crazy over it, talking about how wonderful it is. So we finally tried it out and I had no idea it was even possible to make a bad sub, but it was the absolute worst sub I have ever had and I will NEVER go back there. So what is so great about this place? Or do we just have a bad one?
1) Nearly every subway I've been to, they put like 1 scrap of meat on the sandwich and call it a sub. 2) I'm not a huge fan of subs overall... when we go to Jersey Mike's I usually get a grilled chicken wrap. My hubby is a big sub lover and he really likes their subs. Actually... now that I think about it... I think the best sub I ever ate was actually from Jimmy Johns. Their bread is REALLY yummy
Wegmans (a grocery store chain that unfortunately is not here) has amazing subs. I get either Publix (not the best ever, but good) and Firehouse. Subway stopped carrying Swiss cheese so I stopped going there.
OMG your Subway used to have Swiss cheese?!? I have never seen that at a Subway..NOM NOM NOM...
They claim it's too expensive. But they lost a customer over it.0 -
I think Subway is disingenuous in promoting itself as a healthy alternative. The ingredients are pretty ordinary, they put an excessive amount of ingredients in their bread, and I don’t know what the hell that thing they call “chicken” actually is, it looks like something stamped from white Play Dough. That doesn’t meet my definition of “health food”, but definitions tend to vary.
That doesn’t make Subway deadly, but just not all that different then general fast food. However, if you keep hiring well-known athletes to do your commercials in addition to having a skinny guy with glasses hold up a giant pair of pants he used to wear, then that seems to convince consumers of the product’s “healthiness” and gets the masses buying 5…$5….$5 foot longs…
On the bolded bit, we agree. But, I think the 'disingenous' nature of Subway's advertising is due more to the other fast food places' neglect in pursuing that angle for themselves. Most of them offer lower calorie options, vegetable options, and fruit along with the higher calorie standard fare. I don't think it would be a huge challenge for someone to lose weight while eating solely at one fast food chain for MOST of the chains out there. I'm thinking Long John Silvers, Pizza Hut Express, etc, might be exceptions?
Though maybe not pursuing that line of advertising is smart - people have enough of a hard time coming to terms with McDonalds offering apple slices and oatmeal (OMG, it's the devil!). Maybe they do better monetarily just leaving interested people to figure out they've got lower calorie stuff on their own.0 -
(though I prefer Jersey Mike's)...
I have to ask. We got a Jersey Mike's here a few months ago and some of my friends (some FROM NJ) were going crazy over it, talking about how wonderful it is. So we finally tried it out and I had no idea it was even possible to make a bad sub, but it was the absolute worst sub I have ever had and I will NEVER go back there. So what is so great about this place? Or do we just have a bad one?
We have something here called Potbelly's...F*ing AMAZING...I just can't even tell you how great it is...It is next to a Jersey Mike's that I have never been in because Potbelly's is next door...LOL
*sigh*
I haven't been to a Potbelly's in ages. I love the meatball sub, and it's just too many calories to fit into my diet on a regular basis. 'Cause I'm not about to just eat half, you know? Maybe when I switch over to bulking :devil:0 -
I'm guessing subway claims healthier because it is healthier than say a bacon double cheeseburger with fries.
If "healthy" means lower cal, with reasonable amount of fat, then I'd say yes. They have a decent number of options at 6g fat (or less) and less than 400 calories. Seems not to shabby for a meal.
If "healthy" means high quality, grassfed, non-gmo, organic food. I'd say no. But then again, i don't think any of the big big fast food chains claim that.
That being said i only eat there if its only option - like when i travel.0 -
On the bolded bit, we agree. But, I think the 'disingenous' nature of Subway's advertising is due more to the other fast food places' neglect in pursuing that angle for themselves. Most of them offer lower calorie options, vegetable options, and fruit along with the higher calorie standard fare. I don't think it would be a huge challenge for someone to lose weight while eating solely at one fast food chain for MOST of the chains out there. I'm thinking Long John Silvers, Pizza Hut Express, etc, might be exceptions?
Though maybe not pursuing that line of advertising is smart - people have enough of a hard time coming to terms with McDonalds offering apple slices and oatmeal (OMG, it's the devil!). Maybe they do better monetarily just leaving interested people to figure out they've got lower calorie stuff on their own.
In looking at the nature of a fast food restaurant, I am primarily concerned with the “core products” (burgers, sandwiches, fries, etc.) that they are known for, not the “alternative products” (fruit, vegetables, yogurt, salads) that have found their way on to the menu in order to accommodate more health conscious consumers, but don’t really comprise a large percentage of sales. Even places like Long John Silvers offer healthy alternatives like a broiled cod meal with rice and veges, but I’m guessing most people go there for the breaded fish, fries, and hush puppies.
My issue with Subway is the lack of effort when it comes to healthy ingredients. Most of the stuff in Subway’s food doesn’t meet my standards (I am far from a high level athlete), so I find it hard to believe that pro and Olympic level athletes wouldn’t rather have bread baked from fresh dough with a handful of ingredients (instead of 30+) or an unprocessed piece of grilled chicken breast rather than that spongy thing Subway offers. But write me a big endorsement check and maybe it will all make sense!
As an aside, this is in no way an attempt to be judgmental to those who eat at Subway. We are discussing a commercially offered product sold by a corporation; this isn’t your grandma’s family recipe we are talking about, so let’s not personalize a message board participant’s opinion.0 -
The preservative they use on their lettuce gives me diarrhea, every time. Skip the lettuce and I'm fine, but I'd rather just go elsewhere if I need a sandwich on the go.0
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I stop eating subway when I found out that there meat wasn't really meat but mostly corn with a little meat for flavor.
I would like to see your references for this...
I would too. Otherwise, I think you're talking out of your butt.
I too would like to see the references for said butt talk..
Here's your reference:
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I'll be avoiding preservative laden meats until the potential link between nitrates and Alzheimer's is debunked.0
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Thanks for saying this. I too am trying to eliminate chemicals, preservatives, etc from my food, makeup, body products, etc. Although it doesn't control me either however, that being said, I gave away my Subway points card but that doens't mean I'll never eat there again.
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I'd be more concerned about the HANDLER of the sandwich, than the ingredients list.
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I just had veggies and cheese. I mean, seriously impossible to screw up, but but they somehow did. lol(though I prefer Jersey Mike's)...
I have to ask. We got a Jersey Mike's here a few months ago and some of my friends (some FROM NJ) were going crazy over it, talking about how wonderful it is. So we finally tried it out and I had no idea it was even possible to make a bad sub, but it was the absolute worst sub I have ever had and I will NEVER go back there. So what is so great about this place? Or do we just have a bad one?
1) Nearly every subway I've been to, they put like 1 scrap of meat on the sandwich and call it a sub. 2) I'm not a huge fan of subs overall... when we go to Jersey Mike's I usually get a grilled chicken wrap. My hubby is a big sub lover and he really likes their subs. Actually... now that I think about it... I think the best sub I ever ate was actually from Jimmy Johns. Their bread is REALLY yummy
Wegmans (a grocery store chain that unfortunately is not here) has amazing subs. I get either Publix (not the best ever, but good) and Firehouse. Subway stopped carrying Swiss cheese so I stopped going there.
OMG your Subway used to have Swiss cheese?!? I have never seen that at a Subway..NOM NOM NOM...
There is swiss cheese at the subways around my way.
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I stopped eating any fast food in high school. As a teen, I worked the circuit of fast food joints. Most of the staff were teens and still are currently, especially nigh shift.
The things they do to the food when you are not around will make your stomach turn. Five second rules, dandruff seasoning, saliva gravy, and don't even ask what I caught a co worker doing in the bathroom with the squirt jug of mayonnaise.0 -
I saw radioactive green on a piece of Subway beef before. Of course, the vendor just smiled gleefully and assured that it was fine. Also, have you ever noticed that Subway bread mysteriously deflates if left for a day.
Not all bad Subway mind you, but not great, and way overpriced (UK).0 -
I love subway. I don't care if they make their oven roasted chicken with the souls of kittens, its delicious.0
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For my own reasons... I try to eliminate introducing any kind of chemicals into my body...
H2O is a chemical. Fact. You will die without it. Fact.0 -
For the chic who thinks I'm just talking out my butt, I do have sources for the information I posted so you don't have to be rude about it.
As far as the information on GM foods here are some links for information and its more than quite a bit so happy reading:
The above site will take you to the bottom site for the reports which are separated in sections.
Too bad that has nothing to support your claim " there meat wasn't really meat but mostly corn with a little meat for flavor."
So, still extracted from the nethers then?0 -
Until I'm able to purchase Monsanto-free vegetables (and even growing them yourself doesn't guarantee that'll happen), I'm simply not going to worry about it. I'm as much against GMOs as anyone else but I'm also realistic enough to know that it's me against large corporations, and in the meantime.... I have to eat to survive.
I just try to make the best decisions that I can with the information that I have at the time, and leave it at that.0 -
...Mmm So, they choose to ignore the fact that the American Heart Association backs many of these sandwiches
No need to address the rest of the post, but you do realize that they don't actually "back it" out of goodness, but are paid endorsers lending their logo thanks to the powers of PR, Advertising, and cold hard cash?0 -
For my own reasons... I try to eliminate introducing any kind of chemicals into my body... meaning from foods, makeup, hair products, etc. as much as possible. That being said... I do on occasion have subway (though I prefer Jersey Mike's)... etc. But, like I said... that's my personal choice.
You do realize food and drink are comprised of many different types of chemical compounds, right?0 -
For the chic who thinks I'm just talking out my butt, I do have sources for the information I posted so you don't have to be rude about it.
As far as the information on GM foods here are some links for information and its more than quite a bit so happy reading:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/adoption-of-genetically-engineered-crops-in-the-us.aspx
The above site will take you to the bottom site for the reports which are separated in sections.
http://www.isaaa.org/resources/publications/briefs/default.asp
Subway uses Boar's Head lunch meat...and all the ingredients in the Boar's Head lunch meat are available on their website...furthermore, Boar's Head is on the Feingold food list for food sensitivities, and if your claims were at all true they would not be on that list.
Finally, you say you have "sources" but have yet to post them.0 -
Boar's head? Really?
That stuff is usually so good, but subway's meat is pretty pathetic. Ruh roh...0 -
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My issue with Subway is the lack of effort when it comes to healthy ingredients. Most of the stuff in Subway’s food doesn’t meet my standards (I am far from a high level athlete), so I find it hard to believe that pro and Olympic level athletes wouldn’t rather have bread baked from fresh dough with a handful of ingredients (instead of 30+) or an unprocessed piece of grilled chicken breast rather than that spongy thing Subway offers. But write me a big endorsement check and maybe it will all make sense!
Genuinely curious - what ingredients in Subway bread would negatively effect athletic performance? Why would they care about the number of ingredients in the bread (outside of taste)?
EDIT: not asking to be a **** either - really curious. Discussions like these often spur me towards doing my own research.0 -
My issue with Subway is the lack of effort when it comes to healthy ingredients. Most of the stuff in Subway’s food doesn’t meet my standards (I am far from a high level athlete), so I find it hard to believe that pro and Olympic level athletes wouldn’t rather have bread baked from fresh dough with a handful of ingredients (instead of 30+) or an unprocessed piece of grilled chicken breast rather than that spongy thing Subway offers. But write me a big endorsement check and maybe it will all make sense!
Genuinely curious - what ingredients in Subway bread would negatively effect athletic performance? Why would they care about the number of ingredients in the bread (outside of taste)?
EDIT: not asking to be a **** either - really curious. Discussions like these often spur me towards doing my own research.
Usually bread with less ingredients is less processed as opposed to breads with less ingredients such as sprouted bread. Generally whole grain breads are viewed as more nutritious than highly processed white bread. That may be what he is referring to. A lot of high level athletes tend to eat clean and sprouted bread leans more towards clean eating than processed breads that you find at subway. That's just my guess.0
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