Paleo Newbie!

VegesaurusRex

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

Ranked last out of 32 diets.

Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/

Mark's Daily Apple and Robb Wolf.
Sound legit.

I'll just pop over to . . . oh

"Mark's Daily Apple: Primal Living In The Modern World"
There's an official store. He sells books. He gives seminars . . . okay.

Then nevermind, I'll just check out the second link, I'm sure . . . oh
"Robb Wolf: Revolutionary Solutions To Modern Life"
Oh. He has a store too, selling Paleo e-books. Okay.

. . . right.

Yes, Delicious. Points well taken,

delicious_cocktail

Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.

Mother_Superior

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

Ranked last out of 32 diets.

Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

Just a couple of responses to the USNews article if anyone is interested.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-does-the-paleo-diet-continue-to-receive-low-points-from-established-authorities/#axzz2qmO5X3uX

http://robbwolf.com/2014/01/10/news-ranks-paleo-diet-2014-deja-vu-again/

Mark's Daily Apple and Robb Wolf.
Sound legit.

I'll just pop over to . . . oh

"Mark's Daily Apple: Primal Living In The Modern World"
There's an official store. He sells books. He gives seminars . . . okay.

Then nevermind, I'll just check out the second link, I'm sure . . . oh
"Robb Wolf: Revolutionary Solutions To Modern Life"
Oh. He has a store too, selling Paleo e-books. Okay.

. . . right.

THIS! Paleo/Primal, vegetarian, vegan, omnivorous...all are sustainable, and can be highly enjoyable ways of meeting the body's nutritional needs. They each have varying degrees of difficulty in doing so, but each are perfectly reasonable. The point at which discussions like this always break down is when people start throwing blog posts and inconclusive studies out as evidence in support of their preferred way of eating.

Sabine_Stroehm

Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?

Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.

grandmothercharlie

I like myfitnesspal, but this is why I hate most forums. What anyone does is their own business. What harm is it to any of the rest of the group? This poster was just looking for like-minded people. She wasn't there to criticize anyone or change anyone. So why do you care what she and her husband do? What gives so many people such superior, holier-than-thou attitudes? I don't do paleo, but I don't care if others do. This is my first and last post. Think I'd rather do it alone than look to some of you for help and friendship.

VegesaurusRex

Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.

I agree. Unfortunately the article itself is in Nature, and although I have read it, I cannot post it for copyright reasons, and if you want to get it, you have to go to a medical library. Nature charges to download the article. So unless you are willing to spend the money, the best you can do is look at other articles like this, which gives you some idea of what is going on. I think the study is quite strong. I think the reception in the article I posted is cautious but nonetheless accurate when it actually talks about the article. Since this is the first study of its kind, OF COURSE more studies are needed. However, as the reviewer states, the study is COMPELLING.

delicious_cocktail

Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?

Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.

Oh. I just figured you would be responding to a phenomenon that was actually occurring in the thread rather than just casually tossing out an unsubstantiated, false statement.

delicious_cocktail

Edited to cut the ad hominem needlessness.

You're convinced of something and I'm not sure what it is. I encourage anyone who is afraid of their gut bacteria creating toxins when they eat red meat to go read the article you linked as well as the studies and metastudies linked in it.

I agree. Unfortunately the article itself is in Nature, and although I have read it, I cannot post it for copyright reasons, and if you want to get it, you have to go to a medical library. Nature charges to download the article. So unless you are willing to spend the money, the best you can do is look at other articles like this, which gives you some idea of what is going on. I think the study is quite strong. I think the reception in the article I posted is cautious but nonetheless accurate when it actually talks about the article. Since this is the first study of its kind, OF COURSE more studies are needed. However, as the reviewer states, the study is COMPELLING.

Still not sure what the point is, but the conclusion that consumption of red meat produces toxins in the body that cause colon cancer and heart disease, and that the only way to avoid these maladies is to avoid red meat is far from supported by their paper, which is here:

http://www.dcscience.net/Koeth-carnitine-Nature-Med-2013.pdf

Compelling is good and further research is good but conclusions are not.

maroongiraffe

Thank you. I didn't realise that people cared so much what I decided to eat. I am not trying to revolutionise the dieting world here. Just trying to make changes in my life.

Eat what you will people and let me do the same!

If you trawl google for long enough, you will find 'evidence' to support any standpoint.

I hope you enjoyed your little debate and I have added a few friends.

We all win!

delicious_cocktail

Thank you. I didn't realise that people cared so much what I decided to eat. I am not trying to revolutionise the dieting world here. Just trying to make changes in my life.

Eat what you will people and let me do the same!

If you trawl google for long enough, you will find 'evidence' to support any standpoint.

I hope you enjoyed your little debate and I have added a few friends.

We all win!

I think your attitude is great! :flowerforyou: You have to do what works for you.

It's not just your diet of course but there are other people here who read these threads but don't post. There's a lot of hokum and snake oil and bogus diets out there. So hopefully it isn't too surprising that there will be a dialogue when someone swings through and says they're on the [insert name here] diet; especially when the diet in question was definitively condemned by a panel of experts in a major publication within the past two weeks.

I at least enjoyed the little debate, and I hope you enjoy your little diet!

rejectuf

If someone told you that they were going to put an emphasis on eating primarily organic/grass-fed meat along with lots of vegetables and some fruit; would there be such a negative reaction? What do grains offer that vegetables cannot offer?

Sabine_Stroehm

If someone told you that they were going to put an emphasis on eating primarily organic/grass-fed meat along with lots of vegetables and some fruit; would there be such a negative reaction? What do grains offer that vegetables cannot offer?

Here? probably. Unless you say you embrace the SAD and pop tarts, someone will complain. :flowerforyou:

tigersword

I know of nobody on this board that promotes or pushes the SAD, other than the imaginary person you seem to be constantly referring to.

Badjelly44

Hello... saw your post and I've just started Paleo too! My PT instructor is a huge fan of it... happy to share posts and ideas and things that I've done. I will read the other posts too... I agree with you though, I feel amazing. Not hungry, not craving anything and I used to eat truck loads of cheese, potato, rice and bread... but I don't miss it and feel so much 'lighter' in myself... I'm loving it!

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I thought anyone doing something like Paleo ought to know about the L-carnatine study in Nature. It shows that there is a substance in red meat that alters the product of your gut bacteria and causes it to produce a toxic substance. It is not extremely toxic but over time it causes colon cancer and heart disease, L-Carnatine is in ALL red meat. The only way to avoid it is to avoid red meat. I think if the people who were considering Paleo all know about this, they might think twice.

This is very wrong. Stop stating falsities as fact.

melmckay99

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets

Ranked last out of 32 diets.

Not trying to make anyone feel bad or embarrass anybody, but this research and commentary is very interesting.

http://health.usnews.com/best-diet/best-overall-diets?page=4

I've seen this list before and IMO it is biased and unfounded. Among the top 5 diets in here you wil find DASH, Mayo, and Weight Watchers - all of which adhere to the american food standards (for daily recommneded amounts of ....). I'm not trying to discredit any of the 'diets' on the list, I'm sure that they all work in some way or another, but it seems to me that as soon as anything veers outside of the box that is the US of A, it is no longer deemed acceptable. Note the lack of research and knowledge of the paleo diet in this list. All the answers are unknown or possibly?

In any case, each person just needs to experimient and find what is best for him/her. It needs to suit your lifestyle (we are not cavemen anymore) and your goals. It also needs to be sustainable on your end.

I started eating paleo January 1st of this year. It's an experiment really, to see how my body reacts to it, and I must say that after getting over the initial withdrawals (carb flu, sugar detox), I am feeling much better today then I did one month ago. But again, that is just me and does not mean that the same will apply to everyone.

lilbearzmom

I have not read all of the responses, but as expected, they are pretty negative. I am also doing a Whole30 this month, currently on Day 13. It seems like I have cured my ongoing shoulder pain after no improvement from going to physical therapy. It seems entirely possible that it had been due to inflammation from what I had been eating- grains, dairy, sugar...something. I won't know until the reintro phase in a few weeks. I am planning on following a mostly paleo diet lifestyle during my post-Whole30 time. I started the plan in order to try and break a reliance on sugar as well as to kickstart a habits that involve the preparation and consumption of whole natural foods instead of highly processed ones. If that's crazy, I guess I am. But my results speak for themselves.
It's almost as if people who respond negatively to threads like this are insecure in their own food choices, and anyone following a whole foods/clean foods way of life threatens them in some way, as if it reflects on their poor choices. I cannot account for it any other way. Whole30 and paleo are perfectly healthy ways to eat, otherwise, why the heck do you care?

OP or anyone else feel free to add me. Also, there is a January Whole30 group- check it out!

Sabine_Stroehm

Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?

Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.

Oh. I just figured you would be responding to a phenomenon that was actually occurring in the thread rather than just casually tossing out an unsubstantiated, false statement.

Boy, you like arguing.
No. I didn't read your first reply, because I was responding to the thread as a whole. And, in case you hadn't noticed, OTHERS have commented as well. Not just you. sheesh.
Virtually every thread about paleo, primal, low carb, "clean", vegetarian, etc. etc. etc. pretty much goes the same way. This thread is no exception

Sabine_Stroehm

I know of nobody on this board that promotes or pushes the SAD, other than the imaginary person you seem to be constantly referring to.

:laugh:

PaleoPath4Lyfe

I know of nobody on this board that promotes or pushes the SAD, other than the imaginary person you seem to be constantly referring to.

:laugh:

I know, that is very laughable, right..................that is why there is a gang rush to jump on anyone that mentions low carb, Paleo, keto, etc.

Because no one pushes the SAD way of eating on anyone else. pffffttttttt

delicious_cocktail

Here we go again. OP: there are several paleo groups if you'd like to discuss your journey with likeminded folks. The main boards are kinda funny with their: you have to want to eat all foods approach sometimes.

I'm not paleo/primal, but get why some folks would choose it over the SAD.

Certainly you're not trying to characterize my statement that way, are you?

Nope. In fact, I didn't read your post.

Oh. I just figured you would be responding to a phenomenon that was actually occurring in the thread rather than just casually tossing out an unsubstantiated, false statement.

Boy, you like arguing.
No. I didn't read your first reply, because I was responding to the thread as a whole. And, in case you hadn't noticed, OTHERS have commented as well. Not just you. sheesh.
Virtually every thread about paleo, primal, low carb, "clean", vegetarian, etc. etc. etc. pretty much goes the same way. This thread is no exception

Either I like arguing or I find it irritating when people make up things to complain about. "This thread is no exception" and yet no one has said anything remotely along the lines of "you have to want to eat all foods".

tigersword

I know of nobody on this board that promotes or pushes the SAD, other than the imaginary person you seem to be constantly referring to.

:laugh:

I know, that is very laughable, right..................that is why there is a gang rush to jump on anyone that mentions low carb, Paleo, keto, etc.

Because no one pushes the SAD way of eating on anyone else. pffffttttttt

Name one person that pushed for 60% carbs and 15% protein. Go ahead, I'll wait.

BrainyBurro

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