TDEE vs NEAT
SezxyStef
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I have been reading in the forums a lot lately people saying this...
"I use TDEE-20% but I calculated my TDEE at Sednetary and eat my exercise calories back"
Well my typically response to that statement is "You are doing it wrong" which always ends up in a debate about semantics etc...
Not to be nit picky but that is not using the TDEE method and when you this you have the potential to confuse people who are new and asking questions and trying to get educatd
TDEE by Definition is Total Daily Energy Expenditure which is
"The total daily energy expenditure (TEE) is an important calculation in the determination of the overall dietary and exercise practices of any person. The amount of energy needed by anyone to meet the daily physical demands will have two components: the amount of energy needed to maintain the body's needs at rest, the basal energy expenditure, expressed as the base metabolic rate (BMR), and the needs generated by the daily activity levels, which include employment, sport, and any other activities."
BMR is defined as the amount of energy required for the body to function of all of the essential body systems, including heart rate, brain function, cardiovascular function, and the work of the thermoregulatory system. The BMR is the energy used by the body at rest.
The method used by MFP is called NEAT
NEAT = Non-exercise activity thermogenesis
NEAT is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports-like exercise. It ranges from the energy expended walking to work, typing, performing yard work, undertaking agricultural tasks and fidgeting. Even trivial physical activities increase metabolic rate substantially and it is the cumulative impact of a multitude of exothermic actions that culminate in an individual's daily NEAT.
So folks please when answering a question from someone who is perhaps new or lacking in this knowledge do not confuse it further.
Use the correct terms and when someone tells you "You are doing it wrong, that is not TDEE" accept it because it's not.
*On a personal note I use the TDEE method. I eat the same number of calories everyday regarless of my activity.
I personally got my TDEE from my own actual data after measuring my portions, recording and logging accurately for 3 weeks.
There is no guesstimation from a website (not bashing those sites as the seem pretty close), Just mentioning this because often times people are directed to those site(s) and there are differences in the numbers each give.
"I use TDEE-20% but I calculated my TDEE at Sednetary and eat my exercise calories back"
Well my typically response to that statement is "You are doing it wrong" which always ends up in a debate about semantics etc...
Not to be nit picky but that is not using the TDEE method and when you this you have the potential to confuse people who are new and asking questions and trying to get educatd
TDEE by Definition is Total Daily Energy Expenditure which is
"The total daily energy expenditure (TEE) is an important calculation in the determination of the overall dietary and exercise practices of any person. The amount of energy needed by anyone to meet the daily physical demands will have two components: the amount of energy needed to maintain the body's needs at rest, the basal energy expenditure, expressed as the base metabolic rate (BMR), and the needs generated by the daily activity levels, which include employment, sport, and any other activities."
BMR is defined as the amount of energy required for the body to function of all of the essential body systems, including heart rate, brain function, cardiovascular function, and the work of the thermoregulatory system. The BMR is the energy used by the body at rest.
The method used by MFP is called NEAT
NEAT = Non-exercise activity thermogenesis
NEAT is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports-like exercise. It ranges from the energy expended walking to work, typing, performing yard work, undertaking agricultural tasks and fidgeting. Even trivial physical activities increase metabolic rate substantially and it is the cumulative impact of a multitude of exothermic actions that culminate in an individual's daily NEAT.
So folks please when answering a question from someone who is perhaps new or lacking in this knowledge do not confuse it further.
Use the correct terms and when someone tells you "You are doing it wrong, that is not TDEE" accept it because it's not.
*On a personal note I use the TDEE method. I eat the same number of calories everyday regarless of my activity.
I personally got my TDEE from my own actual data after measuring my portions, recording and logging accurately for 3 weeks.
There is no guesstimation from a website (not bashing those sites as the seem pretty close), Just mentioning this because often times people are directed to those site(s) and there are differences in the numbers each give.
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This just seems a discussion centered around semantics and actually nitpicking.
Lets say I start with the "TDEE method" and I currently do not exercise at all, so I pick the TDEE matching my activity level (for instance pretty much sedentary or maybe lightly active).
Then after a week, I add exercise 2 days a week to my lifestyle, and I decide to eat those calories back. According to you I should then rename my method to NEAT rather than TDEE?
Doesn't seem so important. I get that people may get confused by suggesting this method, but I don't see how you saying that it is totally wrong in response to them would help matters.
Edit to add: Maybe it would be fun to confuse people even more by calling this method TDEEEE (TDEE excluding exercise) >_>0 -
This just seems a discussion centered around semantics and actually nitpicking.
Lets say I start with the "TDEE method" and I currently do not exercise at all, so I pick the TDEE matching my activity level (for instance pretty much sedentary or maybe lightly active).
Then after a week, I add exercise 2 days a week to my lifestyle, and I decide to eat those calories back. According to you I should then rename my method to NEAT rather than TDEE?
Doesn't seem so important. I get that people may get confused by suggesting this method, but I don't see how you saying that it is totally wrong in response to them would help matters.
This is exactly what I do. I figured out my TDEE using sedentary settings, and set my MFP calorie limit between my BMR and TDEE. Then I eat any exercise calories I have. Not sure what method that is called, but it worked for me pretty well.1 -
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I don't care what way you cut it- if you are using the TDEE method you should NOT be eating your exercise calories back (although I am guilty of this sometimes). You should be eating the same exact amount of calories every day regardless of your activity level. Period.3
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This just seems a discussion centered around semantics and actually nitpicking.
Lets say I start with the "TDEE method" and I currently do not exercise at all, so I pick the TDEE matching my activity level (for instance pretty much sedentary or maybe lightly active).
Then after a week, I add exercise 2 days a week to my lifestyle, and I decide to eat those calories back. According to you I should then rename my method to NEAT rather than TDEE?
Doesn't seem so important. I get that people may get confused by suggesting this method, but I don't see how you saying that it is totally wrong in response to them would help matters.
Edit to add: Maybe it would be fun to confuse people even more by calling this method TDEEEE (TDEE excluding exercise) >_>
This is exactly my point. You may eat your TDEE -% of calories but you are using the NEAT Method...not TDEE method.1 -
This just seems a discussion centered around semantics and actually nitpicking.
Lets say I start with the "TDEE method" and I currently do not exercise at all, so I pick the TDEE matching my activity level (for instance pretty much sedentary or maybe lightly active).
Then after a week, I add exercise 2 days a week to my lifestyle, and I decide to eat those calories back. According to you I should then rename my method to NEAT rather than TDEE?
Doesn't seem so important. I get that people may get confused by suggesting this method, but I don't see how you saying that it is totally wrong in response to them would help matters.
This is exactly what I do. I figured out my TDEE using sedentary settings, and set my MFP calorie limit between my BMR and TDEE. Then I eat any exercise calories I have. Not sure what method that is called, but it worked for me pretty well.
Any method where you are a calorie deficet will work....and just so you know you are using NEAT method.0 -
Funny, OP is dead on right, and then the 2 people come on directly after and argue. If you aren't using the TDEE method as she described, then you aren't and no amount of arguing will change it.
I'm not arguing. I'm just saying there's more than one way to cut a pie, and some people's ways don't fit exactly into two models. As long as they explicitly say what they are doing, you are still able to help them.
ETA: I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. People on MFP use incorrect terms all the time.1 -
This just seems a discussion centered around semantics and actually nitpicking.
Lets say I start with the "TDEE method" and I currently do not exercise at all, so I pick the TDEE matching my activity level (for instance pretty much sedentary or maybe lightly active).
Then after a week, I add exercise 2 days a week to my lifestyle, and I decide to eat those calories back. According to you I should then rename my method to NEAT rather than TDEE?
Doesn't seem so important. I get that people may get confused by suggesting this method, but I don't see how you saying that it is totally wrong in response to them would help matters.
Edit to add: Maybe it would be fun to confuse people even more by calling this method TDEEEE (TDEE excluding exercise) >_>
This is exactly my point. You may eat your TDEE -% of calories but you are using the NEAT Method...not TDEE method.
I understand that that is your point, that is why I reiterated it. I just don't think it is very important, I guess.1 -
OP, thank you for explaining the differences! I'm relatively new here so this is very helpful info!
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I have been reading in the forums a lot lately people saying this...
"I use TDEE-20% but I calculated my TDEE at Sednetary and eat my exercise calories back"
Well my typically response to that statement is "You are doing it wrong" which always ends up in a debate about semantics etc...
Not to be nit picky but that is not using the TDEE method and when you this you have the potential to confuse people who are new and asking questions and trying to get educatd
TDEE by Definition is Total Daily Energy Expenditure which is
"The total daily energy expenditure (TEE) is an important calculation in the determination of the overall dietary and exercise practices of any person. The amount of energy needed by anyone to meet the daily physical demands will have two components: the amount of energy needed to maintain the body's needs at rest, the basal energy expenditure, expressed as the base metabolic rate (BMR), and the needs generated by the daily activity levels, which include employment, sport, and any other activities."
BMR is defined as the amount of energy required for the body to function of all of the essential body systems, including heart rate, brain function, cardiovascular function, and the work of the thermoregulatory system. The BMR is the energy used by the body at rest.
The method used by MFP is called NEAT
NEAT = Non-exercise activity thermogenesis
NEAT is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports-like exercise. It ranges from the energy expended walking to work, typing, performing yard work, undertaking agricultural tasks and fidgeting. Even trivial physical activities increase metabolic rate substantially and it is the cumulative impact of a multitude of exothermic actions that culminate in an individual's daily NEAT.
So folks please when answering a question from someone who is perhaps new or lacking in this knowledge do not confuse it further.
Use the correct terms and when someone tells you "You are doing it wrong, that is not TDEE" accept it because it's not.
*On a personal note I use the TDEE method. I eat the same number of calories everyday regarless of my activity.
I personally got my TDEE from my own actual data after measuring my portions, recording and logging accurately for 3 weeks.
There is no guesstimation from a website (not bashing those sites as the seem pretty close), Just mentioning this because often times people are directed to those site(s) and there are differences in the numbers each give.
Thanks for breaking this down! I am new and immediately became discouraged with how much to eat, work out, etc because everyone was saying something different. I then went to different sites and got like 4 different numbers!!! So this cleared it up for me and I feel a little more comfortable in what I need to do. I don't plan on "eating back" my exercise calories, so does this mean for MFP I should only stick to what my daily allotment of calories are and when I work out ignore that it adds more calories?0 -
I get the TDEE -%method. TDEE includes daily activities and exercises already in it, so you don't ever eat your exercise calories back because the method already considers them.
However I see two types of NEAT.
One type people take there TDEE -%, that's what they eat, but they make their TDEE under sedentary (usually), and if they exercise they eat that back.
Then there is myfitnesspal default method, which takes your TDEE and gives you a deficit depending on your weight loss per week goal, rather than takes off a percentage. Then you eat back your exercise calories.
Are both those method under the category of NEAT? Or are they called different things?1 -
Does it really matter what we call it? I could call it the Sparkling Unicorn Method as long as I'm at a deficit and losing weight. I understand that some people might be confused but don't you think it is more confusing to throw another term out there? Technically I guess I use the NEAT method, but when I needed to calculate my TDEE (at a sedentary level) I searched for a TDEE calculator. If you search for a NEAT calculator, all you get is a landscaping website and State Farm Insurance.
As long at it is clearly explained, it shouldn't confuse people. What happens if you can't keep your activity level up for a while? You're method of eat the same amount of calories every day no matter what will fail. With the NEAT method (or as I will now refer to as the Sparkling Unicorn Method or SUM) you can be sure you're eating at a deficit everyday no matter what you do.
ETA: I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. Some things work better for some people and the SUM works better for me so that's what I'm going to do.3 -
Funny, OP is dead on right, and then the 2 people come on directly after and argue. If you aren't using the TDEE method as she described, then you aren't and no amount of arguing will change it.
I'm not arguing. I'm just saying there's more than one way to cut a pie, and some people's ways don't fit exactly into two models. As long as they explicitly say what they are doing, you are still able to help them.
ETA: I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. People on MFP use incorrect terms all the time.
Yes they do. But, wen yur tryin ta loose wait, it maks a diffreance. Specially, sence alls we hav is the writtin wurd.
Above is extreme, but the point is that words matter. What you say matters. Don't just cop out and say, "that's just details". It is details, and details matter. It's confusing when you say, I use the TDEE method, but I still eat back my calories. That doesn't even compute in my brain. I literally have no idea what you are talking about.
Okay, I can see how that would be misunderstood by someone trying to help. And I guess I'll go eat some humble pie after reading all the responses that say "Thanks for the explanation, OP!" :drinker::flowerforyou:0 -
I have been reading in the forums a lot lately people saying this...
"I use TDEE-20% but I calculated my TDEE at Sednetary and eat my exercise calories back"
Well my typically response to that statement is "You are doing it wrong" which always ends up in a debate about semantics etc...
Not to be nit picky but that is not using the TDEE method and when you this you have the potential to confuse people who are new and asking questions and trying to get educatd
TDEE by Definition is Total Daily Energy Expenditure which is
"The total daily energy expenditure (TEE) is an important calculation in the determination of the overall dietary and exercise practices of any person. The amount of energy needed by anyone to meet the daily physical demands will have two components: the amount of energy needed to maintain the body's needs at rest, the basal energy expenditure, expressed as the base metabolic rate (BMR), and the needs generated by the daily activity levels, which include employment, sport, and any other activities."
BMR is defined as the amount of energy required for the body to function of all of the essential body systems, including heart rate, brain function, cardiovascular function, and the work of the thermoregulatory system. The BMR is the energy used by the body at rest.
The method used by MFP is called NEAT
NEAT = Non-exercise activity thermogenesis
NEAT is the energy expended for everything we do that is not sleeping, eating or sports-like exercise. It ranges from the energy expended walking to work, typing, performing yard work, undertaking agricultural tasks and fidgeting. Even trivial physical activities increase metabolic rate substantially and it is the cumulative impact of a multitude of exothermic actions that culminate in an individual's daily NEAT.
So folks please when answering a question from someone who is perhaps new or lacking in this knowledge do not confuse it further.
Use the correct terms and when someone tells you "You are doing it wrong, that is not TDEE" accept it because it's not.
*On a personal note I use the TDEE method. I eat the same number of calories everyday regarless of my activity.
I personally got my TDEE from my own actual data after measuring my portions, recording and logging accurately for 3 weeks.
There is no guesstimation from a website (not bashing those sites as the seem pretty close), Just mentioning this because often times people are directed to those site(s) and there are differences in the numbers each give.
Thanks for breaking this down! I am new and immediately became discouraged with how much to eat, work out, etc because everyone was saying something different. I then went to different sites and got like 4 different numbers!!! So this cleared it up for me and I feel a little more comfortable in what I need to do. I don't plan on "eating back" my exercise calories, so does this mean for MFP I should only stick to what my daily allotment of calories are and when I work out ignore that it adds more calories?
Don't log your exercise into MFP when using the TDEE method. Or if you do, just put in 1 calorie for the expenditure so it only adds on 1 calorie. Does that make sense? If you are using TDEE you have to 'fool' MFP because it is a NEAT calorie calculator.0 -
Does it really matter what we call it? I could call it the Sparkling Unicorn Method as long as I'm at a deficit and losing weight. I understand that some people might be confused but don't you think it is more confusing to throw another term out there? Technically I guess I use the NEAT method, but when I needed to calculate my TDEE (at a sedentary level) I searched for a TDEE calculator. If you search for a NEAT calculator, all you get is a landscaping website and State Farm Insurance.
As long at it is clearly explained, it shouldn't confuse people. What happens if you can't keep your activity level up for a while? You're method of eat the same amount of calories every day no matter what will fail. With the NEAT method (or as I will now refer to as the Sparkling Unicorn Method or SUM) you can be sure you're eating at a deficit everyday no matter what you do.
ETA: I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. Some things work better for some people and the SUM works better for me so that's what I'm going to do.
What I think is fun is that when you do the NEAT method and don't exercise, then you are also using the TDEE method.2 -
I get the TDEE -%method. TDEE includes daily activities and exercises already in it, so you don't ever eat your exercise calories back because the method already considers them.
However I see two types of NEAT.
One type people take there TDEE -%, that's what they eat, but they make their TDEE under sedentary (usually), and if they exercise they eat that back.
Then there is myfitnesspal default method, which takes your TDEE and gives you a deficit depending on your weight loss per week goal, rather than takes off a percentage. Then you eat back your exercise calories.
Are both those method under the category of NEAT? Or are they called different things?
Apparently they both fall under the category of NEAT. I'm always careful to explain to people how I came up with my calorie goal though, since I didn't just go with the MFP default.1 -
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Does it really matter what we call it? I could call it the Sparkling Unicorn Method as long as I'm at a deficit and losing weight. I understand that some people might be confused but don't you think it is more confusing to throw another term out there? Technically I guess I use the NEAT method, but when I needed to calculate my TDEE (at a sedentary level) I searched for a TDEE calculator. If you search for a NEAT calculator, all you get is a landscaping website and State Farm Insurance.
As long at it is clearly explained, it shouldn't confuse people. What happens if you can't keep your activity level up for a while? You're method of eat the same amount of calories every day no matter what will fail. With the NEAT method (or as I will now refer to as the Sparkling Unicorn Method or SUM) you can be sure you're eating at a deficit everyday no matter what you do.
ETA: I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. Some things work better for some people and the SUM works better for me so that's what I'm going to do.
What I think is fun is that when you do the NEAT method and don't exercise, then you are also using the TDEE method.
No you are not...TDEE method states in it ....energy expended doing sports like activity ie exercise1 -
OP, thank you for explaining the differences! I'm relatively new here so this is very helpful info!
andThanks for breaking this down! I am new and immediately became discouraged with how much to eat, work out, etc because everyone was saying something different. I then went to different sites and got like 4 different numbers!!! So this cleared it up for me and I feel a little more comfortable in what I need to do. I don't plan on "eating back" my exercise calories, so does this mean for MFP I should only stick to what my daily allotment of calories are and when I work out ignore that it adds more calories?
And this is why the devil is in the details...for new people to understand exactly what each one means, why we choose the one we do and the science behind it.1 -
Does it really matter what we call it? I could call it the Sparkling Unicorn Method as long as I'm at a deficit and losing weight. I understand that some people might be confused but don't you think it is more confusing to throw another term out there? Technically I guess I use the NEAT method, but when I needed to calculate my TDEE (at a sedentary level) I searched for a TDEE calculator. If you search for a NEAT calculator, all you get is a landscaping website and State Farm Insurance.
As long at it is clearly explained, it shouldn't confuse people. What happens if you can't keep your activity level up for a while? You're method of eat the same amount of calories every day no matter what will fail. With the NEAT method (or as I will now refer to as the Sparkling Unicorn Method or SUM) you can be sure you're eating at a deficit everyday no matter what you do.
ETA: I'm not saying either way is right or wrong. Some things work better for some people and the SUM works better for me so that's what I'm going to do.
What I think is fun is that when you do the NEAT method and don't exercise, then you are also using the TDEE method.
No you are not...TDEE method states in it ....energy expended doing sports like activity ie exercise
Fine. If you do not exercise at all, your TDEE and NEAT are the same - however, what is indeed most important, is how you calculated your deficit in the first place and then name your 'method' based on that.1 -
Great post. Thanks for that. I finally got off my lazy bum and calculated my own TDEE based on my weight loss and food tracking for two months. It gave me a much more accurate number BUT it was still only about 50 calories off of what I got from Scooby's website. So I would agree that those calculators are pretty accurate but we have to use the information from them correctly or else it is all in vain. =0)1
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I've used tdeecalculator.net and Scooby to calculate my TDEE.
Both are roughly the same at maintenance of 2559 cals based on being 152lbs, 5 foot 11, 40yrs old and around 14%BF (ordered calipers today). Then comes the macros...
It was my understanding that you can still gain muscle mass in a recomp with 0.8xLBM for Protein. I'm vegan and so I get around 125g protein daily, my fat % is usually busted by less than 10g and my carbs a bit under. Does this matter? I've just adjusted my targets on MFP to 60,20,20 (carbs,fat, protein).
Scooby default is as I've adjusted, tdeecalc suggests 35,35,30 split with 30% protein at moderate carbs, which is 192g, seems high to me?0 -
I don't know what any of this means, I eat under my calories every day, if I exercise and am still hungry on those days I will eat some extra, but always have a deficit. I call that the "I have been consistent and am losing weight" method... Do I need to make an acronym for my way for it to be okay? I am kidding...kind of... seriously is this something I need to research?2
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Zodiacsmom wrote: »I don't know what any of this means, I eat under my calories every day, if I exercise and am still hungry on those days I will eat some extra, but always have a deficit. I call that the "I have been consistent and am losing weight" method... Do I need to make an acronym for my way for it to be okay? I am kidding...kind of... seriously is this something I need to research?
Do you need to know this to lose weight? Absolutely not.
Does knowing some of these things help you while you lose weight? Maybe
Learning my TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) AKA my maintenance calories helped me a lot. My TDEE/maintenance is about 2400 calories per day. I was shooting for about 1800 calories per day. Before I learned my TDEE, I would freak out and think I screwed up if I ate 2000 or 2200 calories per day, going over my 1800 calorie goal. Now I don't freak out, because I know I'm still in deficit at 2000 or 2200 calories, just a smaller deficit.
NEAT - Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis - is just your activity level basically. I'm sure you realize if you are more active, you will lose weight faster - or you can eat more food and continue to lose weight.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Zodiacsmom wrote: »I don't know what any of this means, I eat under my calories every day, if I exercise and am still hungry on those days I will eat some extra, but always have a deficit. I call that the "I have been consistent and am losing weight" method... Do I need to make an acronym for my way for it to be okay? I am kidding...kind of... seriously is this something I need to research?
Do you need to know this to lose weight? Absolutely not.
Does knowing some of these things help you while you lose weight? Maybe
Learning my TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) AKA my maintenance calories helped me a lot. My TDEE/maintenance is about 2400 calories per day. I was shooting for about 1800 calories per day. Before I learned my TDEE, I would freak out and think I screwed up if I ate 2000 or 2200 calories per day, going over my 1800 calorie goal. Now I don't freak out, because I know I'm still in deficit at 2000 or 2200 calories, just a smaller deficit.
NEAT - Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis - is just your activity level basically. I'm sure you realize if you are more active, you will lose weight faster - or you can eat more food and continue to lose weight.
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richiechowns wrote: »I've used tdeecalculator.net and Scooby to calculate my TDEE.
Both are roughly the same at maintenance of 2559 cals based on being 152lbs, 5 foot 11, 40yrs old and around 14%BF (ordered calipers today). Then comes the macros...
It was my understanding that you can still gain muscle mass in a recomp with 0.8xLBM for Protein. I'm vegan and so I get around 125g protein daily, my fat % is usually busted by less than 10g and my carbs a bit under. Does this matter? I've just adjusted my targets on MFP to 60,20,20 (carbs,fat, protein).
Scooby default is as I've adjusted, tdeecalc suggests 35,35,30 split with 30% protein at moderate carbs, which is 192g, seems high to me?
The 2 sites are both using the TDEE calc developed from the Harris 1919 study that lead to BMR calc also. One with Harris BMR, one with Mifflin - hence the slight difference.
Much much more recent and better sites available now. Some sites allow starting with BF% and using Katch BMR, but same tired formula for the 5 levels. So a little more difference possible there.
For maro's some use studies, some use popular faddish levels.
For TDEE calc levels:
Is 5 hrs of walking a week really the same as 5 hrs of running?
Is a mail carrier walking 30 hrs a week and doing 3 hrs of lifting a week, really have the same TDEE level as a desk jockey and gamer doing same 3 hrs of lifting?
Those old TDEE calc's would have it so. No inclusion of daily activity that MFP uses now, and no specificity on workouts.
I figure if you are going to take the time to estimate - might as well hone in finer and deal with progress and real numbers faster.
Just TDEE Please spreadsheet - better than rough 5 level TDEE charts from 1919 study.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G7FgNzPq3v5WMjDtH0n93LXSMRY_hjmzNTMJb3aZSxM/edit?usp=sharing
And to this ancient 2014 topic - it still is good info to know the difference because many don't use MFP as it was designed (NEAT) and that's fine - but don't report your method (TDEE) of using it (don't eat exercise) as if that is the way others may easily be using it as designed (do eat back).
People are already confused because every other site out there does TDEE method.
Then when they don't do their workouts they wonder why no weight or slow weight loss.
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richiechowns wrote: »I've used tdeecalculator.net and Scooby to calculate my TDEE.
Both are roughly the same at maintenance of 2559 cals based on being 152lbs, 5 foot 11, 40yrs old and around 14%BF (ordered calipers today). Then comes the macros...
It was my understanding that you can still gain muscle mass in a recomp with 0.8xLBM for Protein. I'm vegan and so I get around 125g protein daily, my fat % is usually busted by less than 10g and my carbs a bit under. Does this matter? I've just adjusted my targets on MFP to 60,20,20 (carbs,fat, protein).
Scooby default is as I've adjusted, tdeecalc suggests 35,35,30 split with 30% protein at moderate carbs, which is 192g, seems high to me?
The 2 sites are both using the TDEE calc developed from the Harris 1919 study that lead to BMR calc also. One with Harris BMR, one with Mifflin - hence the slight difference.
Much much more recent and better sites available now. Some sites allow starting with BF% and using Katch BMR, but same tired formula for the 5 levels. So a little more difference possible there.
For maro's some use studies, some use popular faddish levels.
For TDEE calc levels:
Is 5 hrs of walking a week really the same as 5 hrs of running?
Is a mail carrier walking 30 hrs a week and doing 3 hrs of lifting a week, really have the same TDEE level as a desk jockey and gamer doing same 3 hrs of lifting?
Those old TDEE calc's would have it so. No inclusion of daily activity that MFP uses now, and no specificity on workouts.
I figure if you are going to take the time to estimate - might as well hone in finer and deal with progress and real numbers faster.
Just TDEE Please spreadsheet - better than rough 5 level TDEE charts from 1919 study.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G7FgNzPq3v5WMjDtH0n93LXSMRY_hjmzNTMJb3aZSxM/edit?usp=sharing
And to this ancient 2014 topic - it still is good info to know the difference because many don't use MFP as it was designed (NEAT) and that's fine - but don't report your method (TDEE) of using it (don't eat exercise) as if that is the way others may easily be using it as designed (do eat back).
People are already confused because every other site out there does TDEE method.
Then when they don't do their workouts they wonder why no weight or slow weight loss.
Hi @heybales thanks for this, a very useful resource. I'm now happy with my weight, so am looking for recomp. I'm set at 2500 cals, which is slightly above the 2403 TDEE on the sheet, but then I'll just monitor things as the weeks progress, see if there are any changes.
I'm not going to eat back exercise cals, just eat 2500 a day and try and stick to the ratio of (adjusted again) 30/35/35 (protein/fat/carbs) which is fairly close to what is in the sheet you've provided. My main question was around these ratios, as being vegan, it is a bit more tricky to get the 156g protein a day and if that were overkill then I'd change the macros, although I've been told that I'd need slightly higher protein intake to account for non-animal based protein??
Just got to start lifting more as I go now, as my exercise is mostly circuit based with some weight, but I've a plan to get more into calisthenics and use my 152lb frame for some resistance training!
Also I should note that I'm probably prone to overthinking this, but I was worse trying to break 3hrs for the marathon....
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Ahh - you could tell whose sample data I used in there!
I guessed at the hours of your workouts though, couldn't recall exactly. So that parts not correct possibly.
0.91 g/lb/day of protein is about what studies show would be useful unless some special circumstances.
https://mennohenselmans.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
https://www.precisionnutrition.com/all-about-protein
So 138 g in your case. That's if you can mix and match correctly through the day to end up with complete protein.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oq787uzgk1paqMPRwfIr8Hl4gT62odM7IyD3sHEiBlQ/edit#gid=0
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