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I am not a diabetic and don't have any underlying condition that would require me to track my sugar. I highly doubt very mild asthma would require that of me because I'm managing that just fine these days).
I totally understand sugar is not a demon, and neither is added sugar. I've just been stuck at the weight I'm at for nearly a year and looking for something to change. What better than to cut down on unnecessary sugars like sweets. Please note I'm cutting BACK, not cutting OUT these sugars - hence my decision to enjoy chocolate now and again. I know it's not good, nor sustainable, to cut these things out completely, but there have been weeks where my calories have been under everyday of the week and I've either maintained or gained weight so there must be something that needs changing…if that makes sense.
if your weight loss is stuck it is because you are eating at maintenance. Reduce your calories to the point where you are in a deficit and you will start losing again.
what is not good about eating chocolate?
More than likely you think you are in a deficit but you are not. Do you use a food scale? Do you log every single thing you eat?0 -
How is that a different issue? That is the issue. Get active and eat to stay in energy balance.
Do you know something about her activity level that she hasn't shared with the rest of us? Unless you do know she's not very active it'a rather silly to advocate she needs to increase her activity level to burn the overconsumption of sugar rather than simply curtail sugar intake.
Do you know something about her activity level? I assumed nothing. I asked the OP what she did for exercise and am still waiting on a response.
If she is in energy balance, overconsumption of sugar is of no issue. I am advocating activity because it is healthy to be active. You are advocating curtailing sugar intake by eating less fruit. Which sounds more silly?0 -
if your weight loss is stuck it is because you are eating at maintenance. Reduce your calories to the point where you are in a deficit and you will start losing again.
what is not good about eating chocolate?
More than likely you think you are in a deficit but you are not. Do you use a food scale? Do you log every single thing you eat?
And she should make those cuts somewhere other than to sugar she isn't using?
Don't get me worng, I don't think sugar is the devil, but if she isn't using it as fuel and she's exceeding the MFP recommended amount, why would she want to cut something else or make an across the board reduction vs. just lowering the sugar intake?
This is, of course assuming she isn't an endurance athlete loogin high mileage or laps....0 -
if your weight loss is stuck it is because you are eating at maintenance. Reduce your calories to the point where you are in a deficit and you will start losing again.
what is not good about eating chocolate?
More than likely you think you are in a deficit but you are not. Do you use a food scale? Do you log every single thing you eat?
And she should make those cuts somewhere other than to sugar she isn't using?
Don't get me worng, I don't think sugar is the devil, but if she isn't using it as fuel and she's exceeding the MFP recommended amount, why would she want to cut something else or make an across the board reduction vs. just lowering the sugar intake?
This is, of course assuming she isn't an endurance athlete loogin high mileage or laps....
The question is why does it have to be sugar?0 -
Because if she's not burning it for fuel, and she wants/needs to drop weight, it's useless calories.
She could cut fat, or calories in general, but there would be a nutritional downside. If she's overconsuming sugar, there's no nutritional downside to cutting back.
It's harder for men to undestand why cutting sugar intake can be very important for women because you generally have more room to play around with in your caloric deficit before you start making it difficult to hit macros and important micronutrients.0 -
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Oh boy…a lot can happen in a few hours. I'm just back from a 2 hour lecture so I apologise for my lack of response on here.
J72FIT:
I'm doing a mix of cardio and strength training - I've posted exact details of what I do in my last blog entry so here it is:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/SunKissed1989
I've got an appointment with someone at the gym to change things up a bit so I'll ask them what I can do regarding weight loss. I was also wanting to go back the boxercise class I used to go to before I got this routine. I also like going to Zumba once a week.
My calorie burns are from my Polar FT4 HRM. I weigh everything food-wise with digital kitchen scales and weigh myself with digital scales once a week.
My calorie deficit is based on what MFP has given me and currently at 1480 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I've set my activity level as lightly active because I don't sit at a desk all day. I am a postgrad student but also a part time sales assistant on my feet 9 hours (split into one 3-hour shift and another 6-hour shift) out of the week (doing some lifting bringing lights down from the stock room).
If I've missed out any questions, I do apologise…I also apologise if I've started a sugar-related war in the forums…twas not my intention.0 -
OP, one thing that jumped out at me from looking at your diary. You eat more on the days you exercise then on the days you don't. We generally tend to overestimate our calorie burn (energy out) and underestimate our calories eaten (energy in). How are you determining your energy out? What does your exercise program look like?
Oops... nevermind... saw your post above
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OP, one thing that jumped out at me from looking at your diary. You eat more on the days you exercise then on the days you don't. We generally tend to overestimate our calorie burn (energy out) and underestimate our calories eaten (energy in). How are you determining your energy out? What does your exercise program look like?
Oops... nevermind... saw your post above
I know - I eat more because I feel like I should eat more. I'm not going to start a whole "Eat back exercise calories" war on top of this sugar war, but, while I eat back the majority of my exercise calories, I like to try to leave some over "just in case" there was a mistake in either my workout burn or my food measurements or whatever.0 -
YES!!! I love a good Monday morning sugar thread!!
OP - Good luck finding what works for you :flowerforyou:
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Oh boy…a lot can happen in a few hours. I'm just back from a 2 hour lecture so I apologise for my lack of response on here.
J72FIT:
I'm doing a mix of cardio and strength training - I've posted exact details of what I do in my last blog entry so here it is:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/SunKissed1989
I've got an appointment with someone at the gym to change things up a bit so I'll ask them what I can do regarding weight loss. I was also wanting to go back the boxercise class I used to go to before I got this routine. I also like going to Zumba once a week.
My calorie burns are from my Polar FT4 HRM. I weigh everything food-wise with digital kitchen scales and weigh myself with digital scales once a week.
My calorie deficit is based on what MFP has given me and currently at 1480 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I've set my activity level as lightly active because I don't sit at a desk all day. I am a postgrad student but also a part time sales assistant on my feet 9 hours (split into one 3-hour shift and another 6-hour shift) out of the week (doing some lifting bringing lights down from the stock room).
If I've missed out any questions, I do apologise…I also apologise if I've started a sugar-related war in the forums…twas not my intention.
OK - An HRM is really not going to give you an accurate burn measure for strength training. I would recommend only eating about half of your exercise calories back and see how that works for you ....sounds like you are overestimating calories burned..0 -
I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.if your weight loss is stuck it is because you are eating at maintenance. Reduce your calories to the point where you are in a deficit and you will start losing again.
what is not good about eating chocolate?
More than likely you think you are in a deficit but you are not. Do you use a food scale? Do you log every single thing you eat?
And she should make those cuts somewhere other than to sugar she isn't using?
Don't get me worng, I don't think sugar is the devil, but if she isn't using it as fuel and she's exceeding the MFP recommended amount, why would she want to cut something else or make an across the board reduction vs. just lowering the sugar intake?
This is, of course assuming she isn't an endurance athlete loogin high mileage or laps....
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...0 -
Your sugar intake does not seem to be interfering with your intake of fat, protein, or fruits/veggies. Stop tracking it. It's irrelevant to you.0
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I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...
She is not in a deficit. She is not losing weight.
If she simply loses the sugar, she'll create a deficit without sacrificing micros or macros. It would be foolish (and frankly, harder) to make cut elsewhere.0 -
Oh boy, are you diabetic? Do you have some other underlying medical condition? If not, why bother with tracking sugar? It's just a carb. Track your carbs with the sugar included. Sugar is not a demon, added sugar is not a demon. Just be reasonable with all your macros and enjoy life. It's easier when you aren't running from the boogie man.
THIS THIS THIS!!!!! Thank you for the voice of reason!!0 -
Oh boy…a lot can happen in a few hours. I'm just back from a 2 hour lecture so I apologise for my lack of response on here.
J72FIT:
I'm doing a mix of cardio and strength training - I've posted exact details of what I do in my last blog entry so here it is:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/SunKissed1989
I've got an appointment with someone at the gym to change things up a bit so I'll ask them what I can do regarding weight loss. I was also wanting to go back the boxercise class I used to go to before I got this routine. I also like going to Zumba once a week.
My calorie burns are from my Polar FT4 HRM. I weigh everything food-wise with digital kitchen scales and weigh myself with digital scales once a week.
My calorie deficit is based on what MFP has given me and currently at 1480 calories a day to lose 1lb a week. I've set my activity level as lightly active because I don't sit at a desk all day. I am a postgrad student but also a part time sales assistant on my feet 9 hours (split into one 3-hour shift and another 6-hour shift) out of the week (doing some lifting bringing lights down from the stock room).
If I've missed out any questions, I do apologise…I also apologise if I've started a sugar-related war in the forums…twas not my intention.
It looks to me that your activity level is pretty hight (a good thing)!
I think it is a matter of tinkering with your overall caloric intake. Everybody is different and we have to keep in mind all the calculations are just estimates. I did think your protein intake was a little on the low side given all the activity you do.
I also generally don't like using devices to determine calories burned. I have a fitbit one myself that I only use to track steps. I used to have it linked to my fitness pal but felt it way overestimated calories burned for me.0 -
OP: you seem to have stalled on your weight loss. That's your actual problem. For some reason you identified sugar as the reason you have stalled.
This is inaccurate. Weight loss or gain is all about calorie intake; no individual macronutrient can be responsible for stalled weight loss if your calorie intake is in order.
I suggest you create a new thread asking for help identifying the cause of your stalled weight loss. I suspect that in the end the answer will be some variation of either "your calorie goal is inappropriate for your body and activity level" or "you are eating more than you think," both of which are extremely common.
Unfortunately you will also get a bunch of nonsense replies like "eat more!" or "eat less sugar!" or "eat less fat!" or "eat cleaner!" and other stuff. For this reason, I suggest you join and post in the "Eat, Train, Progress" group. There you will get no-nonsense honest answers without all of the BS.0 -
I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...
She is not in a deficit. She is not losing weight.
If she simply loses the sugar, she'll create a deficit without sacrificing micros or macros. It would be foolish (and frankly, harder) to make cut elsewhere.
The majority of her sugar comes from fruit. Cutting fruit will absolutely have an impact on micros...0 -
If I've missed out any questions, I do apologise…I also apologise if I've started a sugar-related war in the forums…twas not my intention.
It would have happened in any post where you used the word sugar. It's not your fault, really. Some people are obsessed with people keeping sugar in their diet.
Part of it is because there are a lot of people here who have been quite obese and who got there on a SAD, so for them, the MFP sugar amount seems very low.
When not in high mileage training my sugar is normally well below the MFP amount without doing any restricting. There are plenty of days when I go over, and in the heart of training season, the sugar intake is huge, but I'm using it all. If you're not using yours and you're not losing, you can cut some sugar or keep it and exercise more, unless you're already working pretty hard - in which case more work can be counterproductive to your goals.0 -
I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...
She is not in a deficit. She is not losing weight.
If she simply loses the sugar, she'll create a deficit without sacrificing micros or macros. It would be foolish (and frankly, harder) to make cut elsewhere.
The majority of her sugar comes from fruit. Cutting fruit will absolutely have an impact on micros...
Not if she swaps fruits for vegetables and stays within her macros. Easy fix.0 -
I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...
She is not in a deficit. She is not losing weight.
If she simply loses the sugar, she'll create a deficit without sacrificing micros or macros. It would be foolish (and frankly, harder) to make cut elsewhere.
The majority of her sugar comes from fruit. Cutting fruit will absolutely have an impact on micros...
Not if she swaps fruits for vegetables and stays within her macros. Easy fix.
What would that accomplish? Lowering her sugar intake while keeping her carb/fat/protein/calorie goals the same? That's totally pointless.0 -
I've lost 25 lbs in 5 months. One of the things I did was cut out refined sugar completely. I find that if I eat sugar, I crave sugar. If I stay off it, I don't crave it. I really feel better without it. I didn't eat fruit at all for just 2 weeks, while I was getting rid of the cravings. Now, I eat fruit daily, without any problems.
That's what worked for me. You need to find what works for you.
Me too. I used to eat a lot of really sugary things and I think my reaction to sugar is a big part of how I got heavy. I could be wrong, but I think it's because the body burns the sugar quickly resulting in that spike and crash. I didn't deal well with the crash and would go after more food, typically more sugar. So I pretty much avoid it.
Not sure why that's an unpopular opinion around here, but really don't care. It's working for me.0 -
Do you believe that changing fruits for vegetables would have zero impact on her micronutrient levels? Could you explain that in more detail, perhaps with a comparison of the micronutrients in various fruits with the vegetables you're recommending as a replacement?I just said cut down to a point where she is in a deficit...she can cut that from wherever she wants.
Also, sugar does not go to fat if you are in a deficit; excess calories are stored as fat is you are in a surplus...
She is not in a deficit. She is not losing weight.
If she simply loses the sugar, she'll create a deficit without sacrificing micros or macros. It would be foolish (and frankly, harder) to make cut elsewhere.
The majority of her sugar comes from fruit. Cutting fruit will absolutely have an impact on micros...
Not if she swaps fruits for vegetables and stays within her macros. Easy fix.0 -
Not if she swaps fruits for vegetables and stays within her macros. Easy fix.
What would that accomplish? Lowering her sugar intake while keeping her carb/fat/protein/calorie goals the same? That's totally pointless.
If she swaps fruits for vegetables she'll keep decent micros and create a bit of a caloric deficit, which is what we've been discussing.0 -
OP: you seem to have stalled on your weight loss. That's your actual problem. For some reason you identified sugar as the reason you have stalled.
This is inaccurate. Weight loss or gain is all about calorie intake; no individual macronutrient can be responsible for stalled weight loss if your calorie intake is in order.
I suggest you create a new thread asking for help identifying the cause of your stalled weight loss. I suspect that in the end the answer will be some variation of either "your calorie goal is inappropriate for your body and activity level" or "you are eating more than you think," both of which are extremely common.
Unfortunately you will also get a bunch of nonsense replies like "eat more!" or "eat less sugar!" or "eat less fat!" or "eat cleaner!" and other stuff. For this reason, I suggest you join and post in the "Eat, Train, Progress" group. There you will get no-nonsense honest answers without all of the BS.
Your answer is too logical. Therefore, everyone posting after you must ignore it and continue to argue that OP must cut out all refined and/or processed sugar or swap out fruit for vegetables or eat fewer carbs or something.
OP, just do the above. Please. Join the above group, and buy a good food scale.0 -
OP: you seem to have stalled on your weight loss. That's your actual problem. For some reason you identified sugar as the reason you have stalled.
This is inaccurate. Weight loss or gain is all about calorie intake; no individual macronutrient can be responsible for stalled weight loss if your calorie intake is in order.
I suggest you create a new thread asking for help identifying the cause of your stalled weight loss. I suspect that in the end the answer will be some variation of either "your calorie goal is inappropriate for your body and activity level" or "you are eating more than you think," both of which are extremely common.
Unfortunately you will also get a bunch of nonsense replies like "eat more!" or "eat less sugar!" or "eat less fat!" or "eat cleaner!" and other stuff. For this reason, I suggest you join and post in the "Eat, Train, Progress" group. There you will get no-nonsense honest answers without all of the BS.
^^this! and to make it easier, here's a link to the group:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10118-eat-train-progress0 -
Not if she swaps fruits for vegetables and stays within her macros. Easy fix.
What would that accomplish? Lowering her sugar intake while keeping her carb/fat/protein/calorie goals the same? That's totally pointless.
If she swaps fruits for vegetables she'll keep decent micros and create a bit of a caloric deficit, which is what we've been discussing.
Oh so you're saying she should lower her calorie intake.
Well, that may be true, but it's entirely possible she doesn't actually know how many calories she's consuming; for example, if she's not measuring accurately then we don't even know what her intake currently is.
The first step is to identify the reason she's not losing weight. The next step is to determine the way to fix that. Then only once that's accomplished should she consider the different methods to accomplish that goal.
You are skipping the first steps and jumping straight to the final one, and only providing a single option (which IMO is rather silly anyway).0 -
OP: you seem to have stalled on your weight loss. That's your actual problem. For some reason you identified sugar as the reason you have stalled.
This is inaccurate. Weight loss or gain is all about calorie intake; no individual macronutrient can be responsible for stalled weight loss if your calorie intake is in order.
I suggest you create a new thread asking for help identifying the cause of your stalled weight loss. I suspect that in the end the answer will be some variation of either "your calorie goal is inappropriate for your body and activity level" or "you are eating more than you think," both of which are extremely common.
Unfortunately you will also get a bunch of nonsense replies like "eat more!" or "eat less sugar!" or "eat less fat!" or "eat cleaner!" and other stuff. For this reason, I suggest you join and post in the "Eat, Train, Progress" group. There you will get no-nonsense honest answers without all of the BS.
Your answer is too logical. Therefore, everyone posting after you must ignore it and continue to argue that OP must cut out all refined and/or processed sugar or swap out fruit for vegetables or eat fewer carbs or something.
OP, just do the above. Please. Join the above group, and buy a good food scale.
Even funnier from someone who didn't read that the OP has a scale and weighs her food. Seriously.0
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