How many of you have Asperger's Syndrome?
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It just came to my attention today that I can come across as rude when people are joking because I sometimes don't see it as a joke and can't identify it as a joke and sometimes take offence to it (mind you I was also in a mood but anyway). It's probably happens with basic things too - like in the way I write about a certain topic that I believe in in a reply to other peoples forums or comments in my own forum, etc. I never try and intentionally hurt/be rude to people but it can come across as I am and if I feel bad most of the time I say sorry.
My question is - can anyone else relate to that?
My question is - can anyone else relate to that?
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i dont have asberger's but I usually don't really care if my posts online or opinions offline offend others since everyone is entitled to their own opinions, experiences and conclusions based on those experiences. on the other hand, it's pretty hard to offend me
i guess that just makes me a jerk .... or a sociopath i cant really decide :laugh:0 -
O.o
Square isn't circle.0 -
Yep I have ADHD which is not that far off from Asperger's in some ways. I can be very blunt and hurt full but don't always mean to be and when it comes mainly to real life stuff I cannot always tell if people are joking or not.0
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I understand how you feel being judged by others. That is the reason I haven't mentioned my disabilities to the web world.
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Yep I have ADHD which is not that far off from Asperger's in some ways. I can be very blunt and hurt full but don't always mean to be and when it comes mainly to real life stuff I cannot always tell if people are joking or not.
i don't think i have it and i don't have adhd but yeah i feel the same way. i'm my own worst enamy and friend. and some times not the great person to be around. my honesty has gotten me more in trouble then it should0 -
Aspie here.0
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I have a lot of Asperger traits but I have never been diagnosed. I can be very socially awkward, I hate making eye contact, I develop intense interests in one specific thing at a time, and I have executive function disabilities.0
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It just came to my attention today that I can come across as rude when people are joking because I sometimes don't see it as a joke and can't identify it as a joke and sometimes take offence to it (mind you I was also in a mood but anyway). It's probably happens with basic things too - like in the way I write about a certain topic that I believe in in a reply to other peoples forums or comments in my own forum, etc. I never try and intentionally hurt/be rude to people but it can come across as I am and if I feel bad most of the time I say sorry.
My question is - can anyone else relate to that?
No, but you sound like most mechanical engineers I know lol.0 -
It just came to my attention today that I can come across as rude when people are joking because I sometimes don't see it as a joke and can't identify it as a joke and sometimes take offence to it (mind you I was also in a mood but anyway). It's probably happens with basic things too - like in the way I write about a certain topic that I believe in in a reply to other peoples forums or comments in my own forum, etc. I never try and intentionally hurt/be rude to people but it can come across as I am and if I feel bad most of the time I say sorry.
My question is - can anyone else relate to that?
I know people who have Asperger's and what you are describing doesn't really sound like Asperger's to me. It sounds more like a different sense of humor, different opinion/viewpoint, etc.0 -
I just read Look Me In The Eye. It is a story about a man coming to terms with Asperger "s Syndrome the strengthens and weaknesses of the condition. It helped me understand why some one with the Asperger reacts the way they do. Helpful for teachers and medical professionals or anyone who wants a better understanding of this condition.0
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My 13 yo has AS, and we have worked very hard over the years to teach him about sarcasm, and how to tell if someone is joking. We teach him that most people are not intentionally rude, so if he feels that they are being rude, to stop and think if they might be joking. It is better to give them the benefit of the doubt, than to assume they are being rude and getting offended.
He also is straight forward in how he responds, so he learned to preface things with, "not to be rude, but..." or "No offense, but..".And we just try to teach him to think before he speaks, to make sure that he won't hurt someone's feelings.
We all can learn these tricks.
He has grown into an amazing young man with a wicked sense of humor!0 -
He is so fortunate to have a mother like you.0
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Yep I have ADHD which is not that far off from Asperger's in some ways. I can be very blunt and hurt full but don't always mean to be and when it comes mainly to real life stuff I cannot always tell if people are joking or not.
You got it. When we were little and ADHD was the hot new diagnosis, ALOT of kids were misdiagnosed. They are finding more and more adults are being diagnosed with Aspergers (it's actually all autism now according to the new DSM). A lot of these adults were misdiagnosed as children because ADHD and Aspergers symptoms overlap in so many areas, sometimes it's hard to distinguish between the 2. I have an ex husband who I know, without a doubt, has Aspergers. Which is why we didn't last past our 2nd anniversary. I have ADD, but at times think I, too, am on the spectrum. I also know, my daughter who is 10, has been diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety. If I would have had her diagnosed when she was small, it would have been Aspergers. She's very much black and white and not a lick of common sense.
Have to apoligize for rambling.............autism spectrum disorders fascinate me and I have done lots of research on the topic in the past ????0 -
Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.0
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Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
This is due to the reclassification as part of the DSM - V (DSM - IV no longer used).
It is not so much that Asperger's doesn't 'exist', because technically it does, it's just classified as 'High Functioning Autism' instead of 'Asperger's'.
I'm a Speech Pathologist, so I should know this information.0 -
Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
It will always be Asperger's to me no matter what they call it now.0 -
My 13 yo has AS, and we have worked very hard over the years to teach him about sarcasm, and how to tell if someone is joking. We teach him that most people are not intentionally rude, so if he feels that they are being rude, to stop and think if they might be joking. It is better to give them the benefit of the doubt, than to assume they are being rude and getting offended.
He also is straight forward in how he responds, so he learned to preface things with, "not to be rude, but..." or "No offense, but..".And we just try to teach him to think before he speaks, to make sure that he won't hurt someone's feelings.
We all can learn these tricks.
He has grown into an amazing young man with a wicked sense of humor!
I really need to learn that. You're a great mum!
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I have a lot of Asperger traits but I have never been diagnosed. I can be very socially awkward, I hate making eye contact, I develop intense interests in one specific thing at a time, and I have executive function disabilities.
My 15 year old was diagnosed ADHD right before her 4th birthday and diagnosed with anxiety and depression at 11. From what I've read about Asperger's I definitely believe she fits the description and have had a couple doctors and therapist suggest it was a possibility. She doesn't look people in the eye, is very awkward, gets wrapped up in one thing, and has a lot of trouble with executive functioning. It's so frustrating to still have to tell her to do basic things, but I try to remember that she's not doing it on purpose.0 -
Had to smile at this my 19 year old son has Aspergers is brutally honest was on a few days break in Budapest a few weeks ago he said he would advise any Irish girls not to go because they would be the ugliest girls there! He honestly thought he was giving sound advice!!!:noway:0
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Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
Call it whatever you like same thing different day!0 -
I have a lot of Asperger traits but I have never been diagnosed. I can be very socially awkward, I hate making eye contact, I develop intense interests in one specific thing at a time, and I have executive function disabilities.
I could have written this myself. My Mum was a social worker for kids with special needs and has said for years that she this I have Aspergers ... I don't care for a label, but I can see why she would think this. There are worse things in the world ... 0 -
Yep I have ADHD which is not that far off from Asperger's
They are completely different.0 -
Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
Oh yeah i forgot they eliminated it like it was a sickness! thanks for letting us know! 0 -
it's a spectrum disorder. OP could just be on the upper functioning side.It just came to my attention today that I can come across as rude when people are joking because I sometimes don't see it as a joke and can't identify it as a joke and sometimes take offence to it (mind you I was also in a mood but anyway). It's probably happens with basic things too - like in the way I write about a certain topic that I believe in in a reply to other peoples forums or comments in my own forum, etc. I never try and intentionally hurt/be rude to people but it can come across as I am and if I feel bad most of the time I say sorry.
My question is - can anyone else relate to that?
I know people who have Asperger's and what you are describing doesn't really sound like Asperger's to me. It sounds more like a different sense of humor, different opinion/viewpoint, etc.
i used to be convinced i was slightly within the spectrum. mostly due to extreme feelings of social awkwardness and feeling hyper self aware. but, i've come to realize that most likely it's just that, social awkwardness.
most spectrum disorders are quite fascinating due to the extremes on either side.0 -
it's not eliminated. did you even read the post you quoted?Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
Oh yeah i forgot they eliminated it like it was a sickness! thanks for letting us know! 0 -
it's not eliminated. did you even read the post you quoted?Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
Oh yeah i forgot they eliminated it like it was a sickness! thanks for letting us know!
Here is information if you think Im just spouting stuff off:
In May, 2013, the American Psychiatric Association came out with an all-new diagnostic manual, the DSM-5. This manual, sometimes called the "Bible" of mental health diagnosis, is important because it is used to determine who gets services, what kind of services they get, and whether or not they are eligible for particular forms of education.
Key Changes You Need to Know About
What has changed? A lot!
1. Before May, 2013, there were five separate categories of autism diagnosis. Today, there is just one: Autism Spectrum Disorder. Whether your autism is very severe or relatively mild, whether your diagnosis was Asperger syndrome or Autistic Disorder, you are now grouped under the same umbrella diagnosis.
2. And before you ask, yes, if you already have an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis -- even one that no longer exists in the DSM -- you are still considered to be autistic. Here's what it says in the manual:
Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
3. While there is just one autism spectrum disorder umbrella diagnostic code, clinicians are urged to also implement additional criteria which include levels of severity and specifiers to describe the unique features of his or her autism. Thus, you or your child can now be identified as having Autism Spectrum Disorder needing a particular level of support and with additional specifiers such as physical or psychological disorders or low intelligence.
4. If a person is newly evaluated or re-evaluated, and his or her features don't fit the criteria below, he or she may be given a brand new diagnosis, Social Communication Disorder, which looks suspiciously like the old PDD-NOS. Many are concerned that this new diagnostic category may wind up being a catchall which includes many people who have autism-like symptoms but are not eligible for the same services as people with autism.
4. Another important point, which you'll see repeated in the criteria below, is that symptoms must begin when a person is very young -- but even if symptoms have disappeared, a person is still considered to be autistic if they were ever diagnosed as autistic. Here's how that caveat is stated in the DSM: "Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life)." This appears to suggest that even if a person has actually been successfully treated to the point that he or she is "indistinguishable from typical peers," he or she is not considered to be "cured."
The New Criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder
Wondering what the "new" autism looks like? Here are the basic criteria:
A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history):
1.Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2.Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3.Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
B.Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history
1.Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2.Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day). 3.Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4.Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g., apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
C.Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).
D.Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
E.These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.
Sources:
American Psychiatric Association. (2000). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (4th ed., text rev.). Washington, DC.
American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Washington, DC.0 -
Yep I have ADHD which is not that far off from Asperger's
They are completely different.
Actually, they aren't
The main differences between Aspergers and ADHD deal with focused attention ability as well as whether or not obsessive behaviors and sensory issues are present.
It is possible for a child to have a cormorbidity of ADHD and Aspergers (i.e., both conditions are present). A child with both conditions will have more ADHD symptoms (e.g., impulsivity and hyperactivity) than common in Aspergers.
The problem with the Aspergers - ADHD overlap is that, at the more severe margins of the ADHD spectrum and the less extreme margins of the Aspergers spectrum, clinicians can legitimately argue for one over the other diagnosis. It is common for a child with Aspergers to first be diagnosed with ADHD due to attention and behavioral issues. As further tests are done and more specialists get involved, a more specific diagnosis of Aspergers is often made.
Most of the processes to get these labels placed are not an exact science, and the frustrating process for parents, teachers, and medical professionals is finding the right label to make sure that the right approaches are taken to help the child progress in the best manner possible.
Source: myaspergerschild.com0 -
Ah the wisdom of a group of people to strip individuals of something that may or may not be a huge part of their identity with no consultation or warning.
I think if you identify as aspergers you get to keep the label. Even if the rest of the world wants to call it something else.
I am personally Neurotypical but have Autism/ Aspergers in my family and I am doing a masters in it.
I will quite often read posts online and think 'that person has totally misread the situation' and before I can gently guide someone tramples them. it's a shame we don't have more understanding (tho I am sure I am guilty of doing it myself sometimes too)0 -
it's not eliminated. did you even read the post you quoted?Asperger's doesn't exist anymore. It just falls under Autistic Spectrum Disorder now.
Oh yeah i forgot they eliminated it like it was a sickness! thanks for letting us know!
Here is information if you think Im just spouting stuff off:
In May, 2013, the American Psychiatric Association came out with an all-new diagnostic manual, the DSM-5. This manual, sometimes called the "Bible" of mental health diagnosis, is important because it is used to determine who gets services, what kind of services they get, and whether or not they are eligible for particular forms of education.
Key Changes You Need to Know About
What has changed? A lot!
1. Before May, 2013, there were five separate categories of autism diagnosis. Today, there is just one: Autism Spectrum Disorder. Whether your autism is very severe or relatively mild, whether your diagnosis was Asperger syndrome or Autistic Disorder, you are now grouped under the same umbrella diagnosis.
2. And before you ask, yes, if you already have an autism spectrum disorder diagnosis -- even one that no longer exists in the DSM -- you are still considered to be autistic. Here's what it says in the manual:
Individuals with a well-established DSM-IV diagnosis of autistic disorder, Asperger’s disorder, or pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified should be given the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder.
3. While there is just one autism spectrum disorder umbrella diagnostic code, clinicians are urged to also implement additional criteria which include levels of severity and specifiers to describe the unique features of his or her autism. Thus, you or your child can now be identified as having Autism Spectrum Disorder needing a particular level of support and with additional specifiers such as physical or psychological disorders or low intelligence.
4. If a person is newly evaluated or re-evaluated, and his or her features don't fit the criteria below, he or she may be given a brand new diagnosis, Social Communication Disorder, which looks suspiciously like the old PDD-NOS. Many are concerned that this new diagnostic category may wind up being a catchall which includes many people who have autism-like symptoms but are not eligible for the same services as people with autism.
4. Another important point, which you'll see repeated in the criteria below, is that symptoms must begin when a person is very young -- but even if symptoms have disappeared, a person is still considered to be autistic if they were ever diagnosed as autistic. Here's how that caveat is stated in the DSM: "Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life)." This appears to suggest that even if a person has actually been successfully treated to the point that he or she is "indistinguishable from typical peers," he or she is not considered to be "cured."
The New Criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder
Wondering what the "new" autism looks like? Here are the basic criteria:
A. Persistent deficits in social communication and social interaction across multiple contexts, as manifested by the following, currently or by history):
1.Deficits in social-emotional reciprocity, ranging, for example, from abnormal social approach and failure of normal back-and-forth conversation; to reduced sharing of interests, emotions, or affect; to failure to initiate or respond to social interactions.
2.Deficits in nonverbal communicative behaviors used for social interaction, ranging, for example, from poorly integrated verbal and nonverbal communication; to abnormalities in eye contact and body language or deficits in understanding and use of gestures; to a total lack of facial expressions and nonverbal communication.
3.Deficits in developing, maintaining, and understanding relationships, ranging, for example, from difficulties adjusting behavior to suit various social contexts; to difficulties in sharing imaginative play or in making friends; to absence of interest in peers.
B.Restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior, interests, or activities, as manifested by at least two of the following, currently or by history
1.Stereotyped or repetitive motor movements, use of objects, or speech (e.g., simple motor stereotypies, lining up toys or flipping objects, echolalia, idiosyncratic phrases).
2.Insistence on sameness, inflexible adherence to routines, or ritualized patterns of verbal or nonverbal behavior (e.g., extreme distress at small changes, difficulties with transitions, rigid thinking patterns, greeting rituals, need to take same route or eat same food every day). 3.Highly restricted, fixated interests that are abnormal in intensity or focus (e.g., strong attachment to or preoccupation with unusual objects, excessively circumscribed or perseverative interests).
4.Hyper- or hyporeactivity to sensory input or unusual interest in sensory aspects of the environment (e.g., apparent indifference to pain/temperature, adverse response to specific sounds or textures, excessive smelling or touching of objects, visual fascination with lights or movement).
C.Symptoms must be present in the early developmental period (but may not become fully manifest until social demands exceed limited capacities, or may be masked by learned strategies in later life).
D.Symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning.
E.These disturbances are not better explained by intellectual disability (intellectual developmental disorder) or global developmental delay. Intellectual disability and autism spectrum disorder frequently co-occur; to make comorbid diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder and intellectual disability, social communication should be below that expected for general developmental level.
Sources:
American Psychiatric Association. (2000). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (4th ed., text rev.). Washington, DC.
American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Washington, DC.
I know that the laws for it have changed but that doesn't change the fact I have been dealing with it my whole life. I see a Asperger's counselor and I've seen specialists about it for the people trying to claim I don't have it. Also, going on about whether or whether it doesn't 'exist' isn't what I intended this topic to be about.0 -
The problem with the Aspergers - ADHD overlap is that, at the more severe margins of the ADHD spectrum and the less extreme margins of the Aspergers spectrum, clinicians can legitimately argue for one over the other diagnosis. It is common for a child with Aspergers to first be diagnosed with ADHD due to attention and behavioral issues. As further tests are done and more specialists get involved, a more specific diagnosis of Aspergers is often made.
Ironically I was diagnosed with Asperger's before ADHD.0
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