high animal protein diet apparently not healthy
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Whatever, I'm still having an 8 oz steak for dinner.0
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Ok so I skimmed through it. You have no idea what other problems these people over 50 had to contribute to their heath issues. The study conveniently leaves out all that crap to purposely blame protein. They probably just want to lower the killing rate of animals.0
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Whatever, I'm still having an 8 oz steak for dinner.
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Definitely this!!0 -
Because it's a peer reviewed article...
Mental illness and vegetarian/ vegan lifestyle...http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.2702700 -
You already know i eat meat and egg like everyday0
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Also, diets high in animal protein were protective in people over 65 in the article linked by the OP...
Because bone/ skeletal muscle health.0 -
Inaccurate title for this article once your read the whole thing.
Not even sure why I continued reading after this one...However, nutrition experts have cautioned that it's too early to draw firm conclusions from the research.
This one almost ended it for me - wait until your old and frail THEN start eating protein when all of a sudden magically, high protein diets help you live longer. WUT?Instead, it suggests people should eat a low-protein diet until old age when they start to lose weight and become frail, and then boost the body's protein intake to stay healthy.
Then I was glad I kept reading - actual logical sense!Teasing out the health effects of individual nutrients is notoriously difficult. The apparently harmful effects of a high-protein diet might be down to one or more other substances in meat, or driven by lifestyle factors that are more common in regular red meat eaters versus vegetarians. Other factors can skew results too: a person on the study who got ill might have gone off their food, and seen a proportional rise in the amount of calories they get from protein. In that case, it would be the illness driving the diet, not the other way round.
"I would urge general caution over observational studies, and particularly when looking at diet, given the difficulties of disentangling one nutrient or dietary component from another. You can get an association that might have some causal linkage or might not," said Peter Emery, head of nutrition and dietetics at King's College London.
Gunter Kuhnle, a food nutrition scientist at Reading University, said it was wrong "and potentially even dangerous" to compare the effects of smoking with the effect of meat and cheese as the study does.
"Sending out [press] statements such as this can damage the effectiveness of important public health messages. They can help to prevent sound health advice from getting through to the general public. The smoker thinks: 'why bother quitting smoking if my cheese and ham sandwich is just as bad for me?'"
Heather Ohly at the European Centre for Environment and Human Health in Exeter said: "Smoking has been proven to be entirely bad for us, whereas meat and cheese can be consumed in moderation as part of a healthy diet, contributing to recommended intakes of many important nutrients."0 -
ibde sun krdrejm saqdk dffres knh.... sorry had too much bacon grease on my fingers and they kept sliding off the right keys....0
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Oops, guess I am dying young then
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eating steak and dairy is as harmful as smoking? Give me a break ....
if this is true, then I am screwed...0 -
Sorry, but I'm not even bothering to open an article on the Guardian's website about nutrition.0
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Sorry, but I'm not even bothering to open an article on the Guardian's website about nutrition.
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eating steak and dairy is as harmful as smoking? Give me a break ....
if this is true, then I am screwed...
then I am 2x screwed I have yet to quit smoking and I as my husband says..."you are a protien ho" (with a nastier word) :laugh:
difference between those who eat protien and die young and those who don't and die old...we die happier...with bacon0 -
Havnt bothered to read the article. Five reasons why its bull**** of the top of my head:
- Almost certainly a correlational study: Thus no cause and effect established
- Almost certainly based on retrospective or prospective recall - Which is useless for even energy intake, let alone macronutrient intake
- Probably doesn't adequately account for confounding factors such as the additional consumption of vegetables with plant protein, and typically better 'lifestyles' - even attempts to do so will be useless because it will all be prospective recall at best
- Probably written by a journalist who has no actual understanding of the underlying science and taken the study completely out of context
- Almost certainly features a dramatic quote from a scientist working in a completely different lab in a different part of the world who had nothing what soever to do with the study and even still with their comments taken out of context.0 -
No agenda here. The real problem is them believing people are incapable of thinking and doing actual research......they're living in a world before the internet and 3 channels on the TV."People need to switch to a diet where only around nine or ten percent of their calories come from protein, and the ideal sources are plant-based," Longo told the Guardian.0
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The story is in today's Telegraph as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10676877/High-protein-diet-as-bad-for-health-as-smoking.html0 -
Not giving up my chicken and steak. :bigsmile:0
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The story is in today's Telegraph as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10676877/High-protein-diet-as-bad-for-health-as-smoking.html
Just because it makes the British press, does not mean diddly squat. It is an article, not a research paper.
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SnortBecause it's a peer reviewed article...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3466124/#!po=0.270270
Mental illness and vegetarian/ vegan lifestyle...
Now the vegans will tout the correlation/causation argument...0 -
Wait, smoking meat is harmful?0
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LOL :bigsmile:0 -
The research indicated that high protein diets were unhealthy for people younger than 66, but healthier for people 66 & older. What I didn't see was whether they factored in how much exercise someone did, because obviously someone who works out needs more protein than someone who doesn't. Most experts recommend 20-30%, so to me, I wouldn't consider 20% a "high" protein diet, but an average diet.0
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I posted this exact article this morning - purely to highlight how rediculous it sounds! The media love to scare people into thinking certain things cause cancer - eventually they will say breathing or exercising too much will cause cancer?!?!!
Saw something before about how cookies, doughnuts, red meat, etc. cause cancer, and if you don't want cancer you should eat tomatoes and brocolli. I love cookies. I love doughnuts. I love red meat. I don't intend in stopping eating them!!0
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