The Ketogenic Diet REVIEW ( information you needed )

Ketosis is an often misunderstood subject. Its presence is equated with starvation or a warning sign of something going wrong in your metabolism. But nothing could be farther from the truth, except if you are an ill-treated type 1 diabetic person.
Ketones – contrary to popular belief and myth – are a much needed and essential healing energy source in our cells that come from the normal metabolism of fat.


The entire body uses ketones in a more safe and effective way than the energy source coming from carbohydrates – sugar AKA glucose. Our bodies will produce ketones if we eat a diet devoid of carbs or a low-carb diet (less than 60 grams of carbs per day). By eating a very low-carb diet or no carbs at all (like a caveman), we become keto-adapted.


What is the Ketogenic Diet?

A ketogenic diet is quite simply any diet that forces the body into a process called ketosis, whereby fats are burned instead of carbohydrates for use as energy. A proper ketogenic diet calls for the dieter to consume high amounts of fat, adequate amounts of protein, and very low amounts of carbohydrates. Our bodies are used to turning carbohydrates into glucose to send all over the body as energy. When we enter ketosis by sufficiently limiting our carbohydrate intake, our livers start breaking down fat cells into fatty acids and ketones, to be used as energy.

Why does the ketogenic diet work?

The ketogenic diet works much like any other diet: by limiting the amount of calories you consume, thereby creating a caloric deficit where the body burns more energy than it takes in. That is the fundamental science of weight loss, and while the “a calorie is a calorie” argument is subject to much debate, few will argue that all successful diets rely on caloric restriction, one way or another.

Our body organs and tissues work much better when they use ketones as a source of fuel, including the brain, heart and the core of our kidneys. If you ever had a chance to see a heart working in real time, you might have noticed the thick fatty tissue that surrounds it. In fact, heart surgeons get to see this every day. A happy beating heart is one that is surrounded by layers of healthy fat. Both the heart and the brain run at least 25% more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar.

Since the ketogenic diet relies on reducing calories, why cut out carbohydrates at all? Why not just practice calorie counting and focus on eating a traditional low-fat diet like most diet books and nutritionists recommend? What is the advantage of the ketogenic diet?


Great questions. Many of the advantages of the ketogenic diet are rooted in its ability to control hunger much more effectively than other diets:

- Ketogenic Diets control blood sugar and minimize insulin spikes.

When we eat carbohydrates, our blood-glucose levels rise rapidly. This causes an equally rapid insulin response from the pancreatic gland. The insulin disperses excess blood glucose, which causes you to feel hungry all over again. By eating a low carbohydrate diet, we keep our blood sugar levels low and steady, and as a result, carb-induced hunger spikes are avoided. Reducing insulin levels is paramount to success with any diet, as insulin is the hormone that tells our bodies to store fat. By keeping our insulin levels low, we create an environment within our bodies that limits fat storage and promotes fat lipolysis.

- Ketogenic Diets allow us to eat food that is satiating and filling.

Many find that restricting calories on a ketogenic diet is extremely easy. If you’re doing the ketogenic diet properly, you’ll be consuming the vast majority of your calories each day from fats and protein, both of which are extremely filling and can be quite delicious. Once you remove things like refined sugars and simple carbohydrates from your diet, you’ll find that 2,000 calories (or however many you aim to consume) leaves plenty of room to fill yourself up each day. Many keto dieters even find themselves having a hard time consuming enough food each day!

The fact is you get MORE energy per molecule of fat than sugar. How many chronic and autoimmune diseases have an energy deficit component? How about chronic fatigue? Fibromyalgia? Rheumatoid Arthritis? Multiple Sclerosis? Cancer? Back to Allan and Lutz:

Mitochondria are the power plants of the cell. Because they produce most of the energy in the body, the amount of energy available is based on how well the mitochondria are working. Whenever you think of energy, think of all those mitochondria churning out ATP to make the entire body function correctly. The amount of mitochondria in each cell varies, but up to 50 percent of the total cell volume can be mitochondria. When you get tired, don’t just assume you need more carbohydrates; instead, think in terms of how you can maximize your mitochondrial energy production…
If you could shrink to a small enough size to get inside the mitochondria, what would you discover? The first thing you’d learn is that the mitochondria are primarily designed to use fat for energy!
In short, let fat be thy medicine and medicine be thy fat!

You will think that with all of this information we would see ketogenic diets recommended right and left by our health care providers, but alas, that is not the case. Mainstream nutritionists recommend carbohydrates AKA sugar as the main staple of our diets. The problem with this (and there are several of them) is that in the presence of a high carb diet we are unable to produce ketones from the metabolism of fats, thus, depriving ours bodies from much healing ketone production. The fact that we live in a world which uses glucose as a primary fuel means that we eat a very non healing food in more ways than one.

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I have been doing the low carb diet for about a week and a half now and I must say, I am really starting to feel amazing!!! The first few days my head hurt, I felt lethargic, and my legs felt so heavy. But after I got past that, I have so much energy. I don’t get tired anymore around 3pm. The best part is, I am not constantly thinking and obsessing about food. I feel a real sense of inner calm. My skin looks better, my hair looks better too. I have been having bacon and eggs for breakfast, a pork chop or other piece of meat for lunch, and usually some pork and sometimes some green beans for dinner. I have also lost some weight! Woo hoo!!! -Angela, United States. Sott.net forum.
We have been on a ketogenic diet for nearly three million years and it has made us human. It was the lifestyle in which our brains got nurtured and evolved. But not anymore, unless we all make an effort to reclaim this lost wisdom. Nowadays the human brain is not only shrinking, but brain atrophy is the norm as we age and get plagued with diseases such as Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, senile dementia and so forth.

In the mean time new research is starting to elucidate the key role of our mitochondria in the regulation of the cell cycle – the vital process by which a single celled fertilized egg develops into a mature organism, as well as the process by which hair, skin, blood cells, and some internal organs are renewed. In the complicated and highly choreographed events surrounding cell-cycle progression, mitochondria are not simple bystanders merely producing energy but instead are full-fledged participants.[8] Given the significant amount of energy needed to make all the nutrients required for cell division, it makes sense that some coordination existed. This long ignored and overlooked connection between the mitochondria and the cell cycle is something that is worthy of considerable more attention as we understand the role of diet in our bodies. We’ll have to take a closer look to this subject of ketosis, as it really holds the key to unlock our transformational pathways that will lead us to an outstanding healthy living.


Mitochondrial dysfunction

Mitochondria are best known as the powerhouses of our cells since they produce the cell’s energy. But they also lead the genetic orchestra which regulates how every cell ages, divides, and dies. They help dictate which genes are switched on or off in every single cell of our organism. They also provide the fuel needed to make new brain connections, repair and regenerate our bodies.

Whether we are housewives, sportsmen or labor people, energy is a topic that concerns us all, every day and in every way. Our well being, behavior and ability to perform the tasks in front of us to do is our individual measure of energy. But how we derive energy from the foods that we eat?


How do I do a Keto Diet?


Successful keto dieting is all about properly balancing your macronutrient ratios. It is generally recommended that ketogenic dieters should consume about 60% of their macronutrients from fat, 35% from protein, and 5% from carbohydrates.
Carbohydrate intake should generally be limited to less than 50 grams per day. When starting out, it is generally recommended that you limit your carbohydrates to 20 grams per day, as being strict initially will make sure you enter ketosis, and help you learn the ins and outs of successful low carbohydrate dieting. In your first few weeks, it is helpful to obsessively and accurately track every morsel of food or liquid that enters your body. (Many of us that do keto use our smartphones to keep track of our food consumption – MyFitnessPal and LoseIt! are both very popular apps.) After a while, you start to develop an understanding of how many grams of carbohydrates are in different kinds of food, and you quickly learn how to adjust your dietary habits to a low carb lifestyle.

Ketosis – closer look

The presence of ketones in the blood and urine, a condition known as ketosis, has always been regarded as a negative situation, related to starvation. While it is true that ketones are produced during fasting, ketones are also produced in times of plenty, but not plenty of carbohydrates since a carb metabolism suppresses ketosis. In the absence of most carbs in the diet, ketones will form from fat to supply for energy. This is true even if lots of fats and enough protein are eaten, something that is hardly a starvation condition.

As we already saw, a ketogenic diet has been proved useful in a number of diseases, especially neurological ones. Strictly speaking, a ketogenic diet is a high fat diet in which carbohydrates are either completely eliminated or nearly eliminated so that the body has the very bare minimum sources of glucose. That makes fats (fatty acids) a mandatory energetic fuel source for both the brain and other organs and tissues. If you are carb intake is high, you’ll end up storing both the fat and the carbs in your fat tissue thanks to the hormone insulin. A ketogenic diet is not a high protein diet, which as it happens, can also stimulate insulin. It is basically a diet where you rely primarily on animal foods and especially their fats.

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I recently had my annual blood work done (cholesterol, etc.) During the review, my doctor said that everything looked great! He then encouraged me to continue on my great ‘low fat, high fruit and veggie diet’ that I must be following! I just smiled. Next visit I’m going to tell him about my real ‘diet’. Lol -1984, United States. Sott.net forum.
Among the by-products of fat burning metabolism are the so called ketone bodies – acetoacetate, β-hydroxybutyrate and acetone – which are produced for the most part by the liver. When our bodies are running primarily on fats, large amounts of acetyl-CoA are produced which exceed the capacity of the Krebs cycle, leading to the making of these three ketone bodies within liver mitochondria. Our levels of ketone bodies in our blood go up and the brain readily uses them for energetic purposes. Ketone bodies cross the blood brain barrier very readily. Their solubility also makes them easily transportable by the blood to other organs and tissues. When ketone bodies are used as energy, they release acetyl-CoA which then goes to the Krebs cycle again to produce energy.

In children who were treated with the ketogenic diet to treat their epilepsy, it was seen that they become seizure-free even long after the diet ended, meaning that not only did the diet proved to be protective, but also it modified the activity of the disease , something that no drug has been able to do. In Alzheimer’s disease, as levels of ketone bodies rise, memory improves. People’s starved brains finally receive the much needed fats they need! In fact, every single neurological disease is improved on the ketogenic diet.

The benefits of a ketogenic diet can be seen as fast as one week, developing gradually over a period of 3 weeks. There are several changes in gene expression involving metabolism, growth, development, and homeostasis among others.

The hippocampus is a region in your brain that is very vulnerable to stress which makes it lose its brain cells. The hippocampus has to do with memory, learning, and emotion. As it happens, a ketogenic diet promotes the codification of genes which creates mitochondria in the hippocampus, making more energy available. A larger mitochondrial load and more energy means more reserve to withstand much more stress.

In some animal models, there is a 50% increase in the total number of mitochondria in the hippocampus, resulting in more brain ATP. Other animal studies show how communication between brain cells in the hippocampus would remain smooth for 60% longer when exposed to a stressful stimulus compared to their counterparts who didn’t had a ketogenic diet. This is very important since too much stress can damage the hippocampus and its capacity to retrieve information, making you “absent-minded” or “brain-scattered”, as well as affecting the ability of your prefrontal cortex to think and manage behavior.

A ketogenic diet also increases levels of the calming neurotransmitter – GABA which then serves to calm down the overexcitation which is at the base of major neurodegenerative diseases, but also anxiety and other mood problems. A ketogenic diet also increases antioxidant pathways that level the excess production of free radicals from a toxic environment. It also enhances anti-inflammatory pathways.

Ketone-enhanced autophagy is very important because autophagy can target viruses and bacteria that grow inside cells which are very problematical.[20] Intracellular viruses and bacteria can lead to severe mitochondrial dysfunction and ketosis remains by far our best chance against them.


Ketone bodies production through intermittent fasting and the ketogenic diet is the most promising treatment for mitochondrial dysfunction.The longevity benefits seen caloric restriction research is due to the fact that our bodies shift to a fat burning metabolism within our mitochondria. With a ketogenic diet, we go into a fat burning metabolism without restricting our caloric intake.

Ketosis deals effectively with all the problems of a diet rich in carbs – the one recommended by mainstream science: anxiety, food cravings, irritability, tremors, and mood problems among others. It is a crime to discourage the consumption of a high fat diet considering that a ketogenic diet shrinks tumors on human and animal models, and enhances our brain’s resiliency against stress and toxicity.

In addition to increasing the production of our body’s natural valium – GABA – the increased production of acetyl-CoA generated from the ketone bodies also drives the Krebs cycle to increase mitochondrial NADH (reduced nicotinamide adenine nucleotide) which our body uses in over 450 vital biochemical reactions – including the cell signaling and assisting of the ongoing DNA repair. Because the ketone body beta-hydroxybutyrate is more energy rich than pyruvate, it produces more ATP. Ketosis also enhances the production of important anti-oxidants that deal with toxic elements from our environments, including glutathione.

The way to have healing ketone bodies circulating in our blood stream is to do a high fat, restricted carb and moderated protein diet. Coupled with intermittent fasting which will enhance the production of ketone bodies, and resistance training which will create mitochondria with healthier mtDNA, we can beat the odds against us.

What is considered nowadays a “normal diet” is actually an aberration based on the corruption of science which benefits Big Agra and Big Pharma. If we would go back in time to the days before the modern diet became normalized by corporative and agricultural interests, we will find that ketosis was the normal metabolic state. Today’s human metabolic state is aberrant. It is time to change that.

References

[1] A research member of sott.net’s forum has diabetes type 1 and is doing the ketogenic diet. In normal circumstances, diabetics (including type I) report amazing results on a low-carbohydrate diet. See Dr. Bernstein’s Diabetes Solution by Richard K. Bernstein, MD (Little, Brown and Company: 2007).

[2] It varies among each person, but the general range is between 0 and 70 grams of carbs plus moderate intake of protein, between 0.8 and 1.5 grams of protein per kg of ideal body weight. Pregnant women and children should not have their protein restricted.

[3] Ketogenic diets in seizure control and neurologic disorders by Eric Kossoff, MD, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland. The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living by Jeff S. Volek, PhD, Rd and Stephen D. Phinney, MD, PhD. Beyond Obesity, LLC , 2011.

[4] A Paoli, A Rubini, J S Volek and K A Grimaldi. Beyond weight loss: a review of the therapeutic uses of very-low-carbohydrate (ketogenic) diets. European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2013;67:789-96.

[5] Rainer J Klement, Ulrike Kämmerer. Is there a role for carbohydrate restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer? Nutr Metab (Lond). Oct 26, 2011; 8: 75.

[6] If the genetic code is the hardware for life, the epigenetic code is software that determines how the hardware behaves.

[7] David N. Ruskin and Susan A. Masino, The Nervous System and Metabolic Dysregulation: Emerging Evidence Converges on Ketogenic Diet Therapy. Front Neurosci. 2012; 6: 33.

[8] Finkel T, Hwang PM. The Krebs cycle meets the cell cycle: mitochondria and the G1-S transition. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2009 Jul 21;106(29):11825-6.

[9] Matthews C.M. Nurturing your divine feminine. Proc (Bayl Univ Med Cent). 2011 July; 24(3): 248.

[10] Hipkiss AR. Energy metabolism, altered proteins, sirtuins and ageing: converging mechanisms? Biogerontology. 2008 Feb;9(1):49-55.

[11] Saffran HA, Pare JM, Corcoran JA, et al. Herpes simplex virus eliminates host mitochondrial DNA. EMBO Rep. 2007 Feb;8(2):188-93.

[12] Porcellini E, Carbone I, et al. Alzheimer’s disease gene signature says: beware of brain viral infections. Immun Ageing. 2010 Dec;14(7):16.

[13] Gasior M, Rogawski MA, Hartman AL. Neuroprotective and disease-modifying effects of the ketogenic diet. Behav Pharmacol. 2006 Sep;17(5-6):431-9.
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  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Wow Marco that's got to be the longest OP post I've seen.????

    That being said great post - I'm LCHF and benefiting from exactly what you have posted.

    Big high five from me✋ not sure how many more you you will get on this site.

    You probably should have finished the post off with - if you change your macros goals accordingly on MFP then even this keto eating style can be IIFYM.????
  • zivasak
    zivasak Posts: 88
    The best post I have seen on MFP so far! Thanks Marko for taking the time to share:flowerforyou:

    Edit: when researching for the most appropriate diet, these are the points that convinced me I would be making a change towards a healthier rest of my life. I have been on Keto since Dec. 27th 2013. Mental clarity, better performance at work, high energy, zen attitude, appetite control, better skin-hair-nails, and weight loss are the benefits I experienced ( to name a few).
  • pamhv
    pamhv Posts: 8 Member
    HHmmm....this sounds very interesting. I did read the whole thing:-}
  • misomilo
    misomilo Posts: 1
    Great post! I just started a ketogenic diet 6 days ago and have experienced some good results so far. I'm finding that I have to be careful with my fat intake because I had my gallbladder out a few years ago. I'm still trying to find the balance of percent fat to percent protein that will work for me. So far, I don't get to 60-70% fat; I'm at about 50%. However, I'm in the moderate zone according to my keto sticks, and I've lost 6 pounds. So far, so good!

    Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to better handle fat intake with no gallbladder? Thanks!
  • Rhonn1
    Rhonn1 Posts: 1 Member
    Hey Misomilo,
    Check out paleoparents.com, as Stacy has no gallbladder, and may have some references that help. Also, pay attention to the types of fats, as each of us still process things differently. One (gallbladder-less) friend of mine is okay with saturated fats, but has a problem with nut fats.



    As for keto-adaptation, I've been eating this way for 95 days now, since my Dr announced I was insulin resistant and headed for pre-diabetes. My energy levels have never been so even, and my morning fogginess is gone.

    I found that Jonny Bowden's book _Living Low Carb, Controlled-Carbohydrate Eating for Long-Term Weight Loss_ has been incredibly helpful. The first half of the book explains the science, and the second half is a well designed analysis of 23 different controlled-carbohydrate diets, including a section "Who it works for & who should look elsewhere" and "Jonny's Lowdown" for each of them.

    Thanks for starting this thread.
  • Jesslynn3282
    Jesslynn3282 Posts: 53 Member
    I'm starting my first week of this diet....it states to only eat 500-600 calories of protein the first week. I need to help with ideas for meals. I was told to not eat any carbs the first week as well. Is there a list I can go by or no carb recipes I can use for the first week?? I'm having a hard time finding NO carb recipes and a NO carb shopping list even.
  • hunterjumper642
    hunterjumper642 Posts: 115 Member
    There is no doubt that this diet will help people lose weight and get results.

    HOWEVER, I am a proponent of having a healthy amount of all types of food- carbohydrates, protein, and fats. Balance is key.
  • aeb09
    aeb09 Posts: 424 Member
    I'm starting my first week of this diet....it states to only eat 500-600 calories of protein the first week. I need to help with ideas for meals. I was told to not eat any carbs the first week as well. Is there a list I can go by or no carb recipes I can use for the first week?? I'm having a hard time finding NO carb recipes and a NO carb shopping list even.

    I stick to under 18g total carbs a day and they almost all come from vegetables. You'll have to eat some carbs in order to have a balanced diet. Please read this as well for more info: http://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/faq

    If I had absolutely nothing keto-friendly in my kitchen right now and was just starting, this is what I would buy:

    Produce: Spinach (and other leafy greens like kale, lettuce, super greens), mushrooms, cucumber, celery, bell peppers, onion, avocado (high in carbs but also high in fiber and fat - if you are going to be eating more than 18g of carbs this would be a great source of fat, but I find it hard to fit in my day), broccoli, asparagus, brussels sprouts, cauliflower, spaghetti squash, zucchini, green beans. **Stay away from corn, potatoes, even carrots are kind of high-carb. Some of those veggies I listed have higher carbs but they also have high fiber.**

    Meat: 85% lean grass-fed ground beef, chicken breasts (you can buy skin-on to raise the fat, but I prefer boneless/skinless), both pork and chicken sausage, pepperoni, salami, ham, bacon, liverwurst.

    Cheese: Anything really. You can buy pre-shredded or a block and shred your own. Be sure to get full fat, not low fat cheese.

    Dairy: Eggs, sour cream, cream cheese, butter, heavy cream

    Other: Tuna, mayo, oils (olive, coconut or avocado), natural no sugar added nut butter (peanut, almond), almond or coconut flour, baking powder, almond milk, Stevia (it's a natural sweetener), hot sauce, unsweetened cocoa powder, red pepper flakes, sea salt, Italian seasoning.

    ibreatheimhungry.com is my favorite low-carb blogger. She has wonderful recipes.
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  • vegansassy
    vegansassy Posts: 13 Member
    Some people do ok on coconut oil as it goes straight to the liver and bypasses the mechanism needed to digest other fats. But go slow, as diarrhea can result if you go too much too soon with this oil. I put it in my tea so it boosts the fat content for the day. Some people don't like it that way, and cook with it instead. If you are going to cook with it, get the refined kind as it tolerates the cooking temps better and doesn't have the coconut essence taste( if that would bother you). Some people make coconut bark, which is basically coconut oil, cocoa powder (unsweetened), and sugar free sweetener. That way you could get your oils, and a treat to boot!

    Michelle
  • LauriePar
    LauriePar Posts: 257 Member
    One word: Atkins
  • ms_tris
    ms_tris Posts: 82 Member
    Bump
  • xmichaelyx
    xmichaelyx Posts: 883 Member
    OP's post is just copypasta from a hundred other places that adds nothing new to the conversation.

    I really think that MyFitnessPal pays their employees to make new accounts and post dumb stuff that will get lots of responses in order to make their forums look busier than they are. There's no way there are enough stupid people in the world for the number of terrible posts from people with almost no history, images, or food diary entries.

    Nothing else accounts for the accounts created seemingly for the sole purpose of inflating number.
  • tq33702
    tq33702 Posts: 121 Member
    "...The way to have healing ketone bodies circulating
    in our blood stream is to do a high fat, restricted carb
    and moderated protein diet..."

    This article is was originally written by
    Gabriela Segura, MD
    Friday, 9 August 2013
    online at http://tinyurl.com/nrd4ket

    Thanks for bringing this info to MFP! :smile:
  • TheWorstHorse
    TheWorstHorse Posts: 185
    I know better than to weigh in with actual peer-reviewed research on a thread like this but what the h**l, it's saturday and I'm done with my chores

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672862

    Low-carbohydrate diets: what are the potential short- and long-term health implications?

    Low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss are receiving a lot of attention of late. Reasons for this interest include a plethora of low-carbohydrate diet books, the over-sensationalism of these diets in the media and by celebrities, and the promotion of these diets in fitness centres and health clubs. The re-emergence of low-carbohydrate diets into the spotlight has lead many people in the general public to question whether carbohydrates are inherently 'bad' and should be limited in the diet. Although low-carbohydrate diets were popular in the 1970s they have resurged again yet little scientific fact into the true nature of how these diets work or, more importantly, any potential for serious long-term health risks in adopting this dieting practice appear to have reached the mainstream literature. Evidence abounds that low-carbohydrate diets present no significant advantage over more traditional energy-restricted, nutritionally balanced diets both in terms of weight loss and weight maintenance.

    Studies examining the efficacy of using low-carbohydrate diets for long-term weight loss are few in number, however few positive benefits exist to promote the adoption of carbohydrate restriction as a realistic, and more importantly, safe means of dieting. While short-term carbohydrate restriction over a period of a week can result in a significant loss of weight (albeit mostly from water and glycogen stores), of serious concern is what potential exists for the following of this type of eating plan for longer periods of months to years.

    Complications such as heart arrhythmias, cardiac contractile function impairment, sudden death, osteoporosis, kidney damage, increased cancer risk, impairment of physical activity and lipid abnormalities can all be linked to long-term restriction of carbohydrates in the diet. The need to further explore and communicate the untoward side-effects of low-carbohydrate diets should be an important public health message from nutrition professionals.

    or this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12684364

    Efficacy and safety of low-carbohydrate diets: a systematic review.

    Low-carbohydrate diets have been popularized without detailed evidence of their efficacy or safety. The literature has no clear consensus as to what amount of carbohydrates per day constitutes a low-carbohydrate diet.

    There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d or less of carbohydrates. Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content.

    EDIT: fixed paragraph breaks.
  • 2pink2push
    2pink2push Posts: 11 Member
    "People’s starved brains finally receive the much needed fats they need!"

    Where was this information gleaned from? I was taught that fat cannot cross the blood brain barrier. Most of the article seems informative and plausible but this statement I disagree with.
  • These_goto_11
    These_goto_11 Posts: 81 Member
    OP's post is just copypasta from a hundred other places that adds nothing new to the conversation.

    I really think that MyFitnessPal pays their employees to make new accounts and post dumb stuff that will get lots of responses in order to make their forums look busier than they are. There's no way there are enough stupid people in the world for the number of terrible posts from people with almost no history, images, or food diary entries.

    Nothing else accounts for the accounts created seemingly for the sole purpose of inflating number.

    This^^^^, I knew something was up, I just couldn't put my finger on it!
  • littlekitty3
    littlekitty3 Posts: 265 Member
    "Like a caveman"

    Yup stopped reading there.
  • _Zardoz_
    _Zardoz_ Posts: 3,987 Member
    An awful lot of bro science or just plain inaccurate science in that Post. yes I know keto does work for a lot of people just a shame as with a lot of these diets they try and distort the Science to back up some questionable claims. If it works for you that's fantastic but please don't believe all the dodgy science and do your own research
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    "People’s starved brains finally receive the much needed fats they need!"

    Where was this information gleaned from? I was taught that fat cannot cross the blood brain barrier. Most of the article seems informative and plausible but this statement I disagree with.

    The fats are converted into ketones and it is the ketones which part fuel the brain, along with glucose and lactate.
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    Low fat, low cal diets work for a very small subset of the population. If you're not unbelievably diligent in managing your calorie intake for the rest of your life you will regain the weight. The reason for this is that the low cal, low fat dieting approach completely disregards the hormones that control our hunger and weight management. Learn to eat using an approach that is "smarter" about hormonal control (ketogenic) and you'll find that as long as you live by those guidelines that weight management becomes second nature.

    Forget about the weight management benefits of the ketogenic WOE for a moment, it is becoming increasingly clear that the diseases of modern society are inextricably linked to the SAD. So it makes sense that although you may lose weight by restricting calorie intake, if you're still eating the SAD WOE then you're not doing enough to actually improve your health. I believe that there's a lot of sense in an ancestral approach to diet and concentrating on eating real whole foods that would have been regularly available before the advent of modern agriculture.

    A lot of what we see these days is continued "fear mongering" from the naysayers and this is pervasive even through the medical community. Follow the money and you'll understand that there's a lot of people who stand to lose a lot of money if more and more people start to see the light of truth when it comes to a better dietary approach.

    The data is in on the low fat, low cal, high carb approach and the obesity and diabetes epidemic over the past 30 years of very poor nutritional guidance; that is all the "peer reviewed" study I need.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    OP's post is just copypasta from a hundred other places that adds nothing new to the conversation.

    I really think that MyFitnessPal pays their employees to make new accounts and post dumb stuff that will get lots of responses in order to make their forums look busier than they are. There's no way there are enough stupid people in the world for the number of terrible posts from people with almost no history, images, or food diary entries.

    Nothing else accounts for the accounts created seemingly for the sole purpose of inflating number.
    There are such thing as "trolls" on any internet site. As a moderator, I have to sift through spam and troll posts daily. And it's not about people being "stupid", it's more likely they are misinformed about the information that they have been given. The info on here though is pretty legit.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    I should add that any dietary approach that is oblivious to the hormones that drive our hunger requires its followers to survive by will power alone. If you "enjoy" the blood sugar roller coaster then continue ignoring the glycemic impact of refined carbs and their resulting insulin spikes.
  • nancytyc
    nancytyc Posts: 119 Member
    I know better than to weigh in with actual peer-reviewed research on a thread like this but what the h**l, it's saturday and I'm done with my chores

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672862

    Low-carbohydrate diets: what are the potential short- and long-term health implications?

    Low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss are receiving a lot of attention of late. Reasons for this interest include a plethora of low-carbohydrate diet books, the over-sensationalism of these diets in the media and by celebrities, and the promotion of these diets in fitness centres and health clubs. The re-emergence of low-carbohydrate diets into the spotlight has lead many people in the general public to question whether carbohydrates are inherently 'bad' and should be limited in the diet. Although low-carbohydrate diets were popular in the 1970s they have resurged again yet little scientific fact into the true nature of how these diets work or, more importantly, any potential for serious long-term health risks in adopting this dieting practice appear to have reached the mainstream literature. Evidence abounds that low-carbohydrate diets present no significant advantage over more traditional energy-restricted, nutritionally balanced diets both in terms of weight loss and weight maintenance.

    Studies examining the efficacy of using low-carbohydrate diets for long-term weight loss are few in number, however few positive benefits exist to promote the adoption of carbohydrate restriction as a realistic, and more importantly, safe means of dieting. While short-term carbohydrate restriction over a period of a week can result in a significant loss of weight (albeit mostly from water and glycogen stores), of serious concern is what potential exists for the following of this type of eating plan for longer periods of months to years.

    Complications such as heart arrhythmias, cardiac contractile function impairment, sudden death, osteoporosis, kidney damage, increased cancer risk, impairment of physical activity and lipid abnormalities can all be linked to long-term restriction of carbohydrates in the diet. The need to further explore and communicate the untoward side-effects of low-carbohydrate diets should be an important public health message from nutrition professionals.

    or this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12684364

    Efficacy and safety of low-carbohydrate diets: a systematic review.

    Low-carbohydrate diets have been popularized without detailed evidence of their efficacy or safety. The literature has no clear consensus as to what amount of carbohydrates per day constitutes a low-carbohydrate diet.

    There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d or less of carbohydrates. Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content.

    EDIT: fixed paragraph breaks.

    First, I noticed your web site reference and the ".gov" at the end....so I did not even bother to go and look at it. ".gov" has done a wonderful job of suggesting that I should continue to follow the low-fat diet I had been on for years. On that low-fat diet, I blossomed up to 328 pounds, had gestational diabetes, and now have full blown type II diabetes.

    I started on the LCHF diet on May 1 of this year. I am now off of my injectable diabetes medication, while still taking my Metformin (which has been reduced by 50% by the doctor already). Even with no injectable medication and half my oral meds, I am still having sugar lows. Looks like tomorrow, I will be removed from all diabetes meds.

    In one month, I have dropped 21 pounds. I am happy, feel great, never hungry and love the idea of the eggs and bacon I get every morning. I eat when my stomach growls and don't eat when I am not hungry. I eat about 1600 calories a day, have enough energy to work 12 hour days and still take a 20 mile bike ride at 16- 18 mph at the end of the day.

    I eat a lot of veggies. Every day has about 5 cups spinach in it, along with celery, cucumber, avocado, some onion and green pepper, and romaine lettuce (literally plate-fulls). For desert, I have a cup of strawberries with 12 TBSP whipped cream on top (sugar free, of course). I limit my sugar substitutes to 3 packages, or the equivalent, each day.

    So, to recap. In one month I have lost 21 pounds, have nearly gone off all diabetes meds and have sugars that hardly ever get above 100 (as opposed to the 180 - 320 I used to get in April). I feel great, exercise more (now that I have the energy). More importantly, my endo doctor approves of this diet, WHEN DONE CORRECTLY, and is absolutely amazed by the results.

    I am wondering how this can be bad??
  • Amberonamission
    Amberonamission Posts: 836 Member
    I know better than to weigh in with actual peer-reviewed research on a thread like this but what the h**l, it's saturday and I'm done with my chores

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672862

    Low-carbohydrate diets: what are the potential short- and long-term health implications?

    Low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss are receiving a lot of attention of late. Reasons for this interest include a plethora of low-carbohydrate diet books, the over-sensationalism of these diets in the media and by celebrities, and the promotion of these diets in fitness centres and health clubs. The re-emergence of low-carbohydrate diets into the spotlight has lead many people in the general public to question whether carbohydrates are inherently 'bad' and should be limited in the diet. Although low-carbohydrate diets were popular in the 1970s they have resurged again yet little scientific fact into the true nature of how these diets work or, more importantly, any potential for serious long-term health risks in adopting this dieting practice appear to have reached the mainstream literature. Evidence abounds that low-carbohydrate diets present no significant advantage over more traditional energy-restricted, nutritionally balanced diets both in terms of weight loss and weight maintenance.

    Studies examining the efficacy of using low-carbohydrate diets for long-term weight loss are few in number, however few positive benefits exist to promote the adoption of carbohydrate restriction as a realistic, and more importantly, safe means of dieting. While short-term carbohydrate restriction over a period of a week can result in a significant loss of weight (albeit mostly from water and glycogen stores), of serious concern is what potential exists for the following of this type of eating plan for longer periods of months to years.

    Complications such as heart arrhythmias, cardiac contractile function impairment, sudden death, osteoporosis, kidney damage, increased cancer risk, impairment of physical activity and lipid abnormalities can all be linked to long-term restriction of carbohydrates in the diet. The need to further explore and communicate the untoward side-effects of low-carbohydrate diets should be an important public health message from nutrition professionals.

    or this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12684364

    Efficacy and safety of low-carbohydrate diets: a systematic review.

    Low-carbohydrate diets have been popularized without detailed evidence of their efficacy or safety. The literature has no clear consensus as to what amount of carbohydrates per day constitutes a low-carbohydrate diet.

    There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d or less of carbohydrates. Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content.

    EDIT: fixed paragraph breaks.

    First, I noticed your web site reference and the ".gov" at the end....so I did not even bother to go and look at it. ".gov" has done a wonderful job of suggesting that I should continue to follow the low-fat diet I had been on for years. On that low-fat diet, I blossomed up to 328 pounds, had gestational diabetes, and now have full blown type II diabetes.

    I started on the LCHF diet on May 1 of this year. I am now off of my injectable diabetes medication, while still taking my Metformin (which has been reduced by 50% by the doctor already). Even with no injectable medication and half my oral meds, I am still having sugar lows. Looks like tomorrow, I will be removed from all diabetes meds.

    In one month, I have dropped 21 pounds. I am happy, feel great, never hungry and love the idea of the eggs and bacon I get every morning. I eat when my stomach growls and don't eat when I am not hungry. I eat about 1600 calories a day, have enough energy to work 12 hour days and still take a 20 mile bike ride at 16- 18 mph at the end of the day.

    I eat a lot of veggies. Every day has about 5 cups spinach in it, along with celery, cucumber, avocado, some onion and green pepper, and romaine lettuce (literally plate-fulls). For desert, I have a cup of strawberries with 12 TBSP whipped cream on top (sugar free, of course). I limit my sugar substitutes to 3 packages, or the equivalent, each day.

    So, to recap. In one month I have lost 21 pounds, have nearly gone off all diabetes meds and have sugars that hardly ever get above 100 (as opposed to the 180 - 320 I used to get in April). I feel great, exercise more (now that I have the energy). More importantly, my endo doctor approves of this diet, WHEN DONE CORRECTLY, and is absolutely amazed by the results.

    I am wondering how this can be bad??
    I am having the exact same experience as you. This turned out to be one of the best things I ever did for my good health.

    My opinion is that the real trolls on this site are the one who click on a thread title knowing they will disagree. Why not just leave the people who are doing well alone.
  • bk0626
    bk0626 Posts: 29 Member
    bump
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
    I know better than to weigh in with actual peer-reviewed research on a thread like this but what the h**l, it's saturday and I'm done with my chores

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14672862

    Low-carbohydrate diets: what are the potential short- and long-term health implications?

    Low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss are receiving a lot of attention of late. Reasons for this interest include a plethora of low-carbohydrate diet books, the over-sensationalism of these diets in the media and by celebrities, and the promotion of these diets in fitness centres and health clubs. The re-emergence of low-carbohydrate diets into the spotlight has lead many people in the general public to question whether carbohydrates are inherently 'bad' and should be limited in the diet. Although low-carbohydrate diets were popular in the 1970s they have resurged again yet little scientific fact into the true nature of how these diets work or, more importantly, any potential for serious long-term health risks in adopting this dieting practice appear to have reached the mainstream literature. Evidence abounds that low-carbohydrate diets present no significant advantage over more traditional energy-restricted, nutritionally balanced diets both in terms of weight loss and weight maintenance.

    Studies examining the efficacy of using low-carbohydrate diets for long-term weight loss are few in number, however few positive benefits exist to promote the adoption of carbohydrate restriction as a realistic, and more importantly, safe means of dieting. While short-term carbohydrate restriction over a period of a week can result in a significant loss of weight (albeit mostly from water and glycogen stores), of serious concern is what potential exists for the following of this type of eating plan for longer periods of months to years.

    Complications such as heart arrhythmias, cardiac contractile function impairment, sudden death, osteoporosis, kidney damage, increased cancer risk, impairment of physical activity and lipid abnormalities can all be linked to long-term restriction of carbohydrates in the diet. The need to further explore and communicate the untoward side-effects of low-carbohydrate diets should be an important public health message from nutrition professionals.

    or this one: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12684364

    Efficacy and safety of low-carbohydrate diets: a systematic review.

    Low-carbohydrate diets have been popularized without detailed evidence of their efficacy or safety. The literature has no clear consensus as to what amount of carbohydrates per day constitutes a low-carbohydrate diet.

    There is insufficient evidence to make recommendations for or against the use of low-carbohydrate diets, particularly among participants older than age 50 years, for use longer than 90 days, or for diets of 20 g/d or less of carbohydrates. Among the published studies, participant weight loss while using low-carbohydrate diets was principally associated with decreased caloric intake and increased diet duration but not with reduced carbohydrate content.

    EDIT: fixed paragraph breaks.

    First, I noticed your web site reference and the ".gov" at the end....so I did not even bother to go and look at it. ".gov" has done a wonderful job of suggesting that I should continue to follow the low-fat diet I had been on for years. On that low-fat diet, I blossomed up to 328 pounds, had gestational diabetes, and now have full blown type II diabetes.

    I started on the LCHF diet on May 1 of this year. I am now off of my injectable diabetes medication, while still taking my Metformin (which has been reduced by 50% by the doctor already). Even with no injectable medication and half my oral meds, I am still having sugar lows. Looks like tomorrow, I will be removed from all diabetes meds.

    In one month, I have dropped 21 pounds. I am happy, feel great, never hungry and love the idea of the eggs and bacon I get every morning. I eat when my stomach growls and don't eat when I am not hungry. I eat about 1600 calories a day, have enough energy to work 12 hour days and still take a 20 mile bike ride at 16- 18 mph at the end of the day.

    I eat a lot of veggies. Every day has about 5 cups spinach in it, along with celery, cucumber, avocado, some onion and green pepper, and romaine lettuce (literally plate-fulls). For desert, I have a cup of strawberries with 12 TBSP whipped cream on top (sugar free, of course). I limit my sugar substitutes to 3 packages, or the equivalent, each day.

    So, to recap. In one month I have lost 21 pounds, have nearly gone off all diabetes meds and have sugars that hardly ever get above 100 (as opposed to the 180 - 320 I used to get in April). I feel great, exercise more (now that I have the energy). More importantly, my endo doctor approves of this diet, WHEN DONE CORRECTLY, and is absolutely amazed by the results.

    I am wondering how this can be bad??

    Hi Nancy,

    Low fat is the healthiest diet, however, the marketing and propaganda from the food industry twisted the concept. If something is labeled as "low fat", you shouldn't eat it. You should avoid eating anything with a label if possible.

    Many companies were able to relabel their products as low-fat by simply adding sugar. If a product was 50% fat by calories, the company would simply double the total calories by adding sugar to lower the percentage of fat calories. So, if one serving had 100 calories and 50% of that was from fat, they added 100 calories of sugar so now one serving had 200 calories and 25% of it was fat and could now be labeled "low fat".

    Concerning diabetes, a high card, whole-foods, plant-based diet has cured many people of type II diabetes, and has significantly lowered the insulin requirements of type I diabetics. You aren't actually curing your diabetes, you are just masking the high blood sugar by eating foods with little effect on blood sugar. It isn't the sugar that causes diabetes, it is fat in your pancreas that makes you less insulin sensitive. If you can't eat something because of its effect on your blood sugar, then you aren't cured. You are simply managing the disease.

    If sugar caused diabetes, I would be diabetic. I eat well over 80% of my calories from carbs, mostly simple sugars such as fructose from fruit. I lost nearly 100 pounds of fat eating a high-raw diet, then turned around and added 30 pounds of muscle. I am not a fluke. There is a mountain of evidence showing a whole-foods, plant-based diet is by far the healthiest, and animal products only cause harm. Even a plant-based low carb diet is superior to an animal-based low carb diet. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/plant-based-atkins-diet/

    Plants have over 10,000 nutrients, animal products have a couple dozen or so. Plants have fiber and are low in fat, animal products have no fiber and are high in fat. Animal protein is damaging to the body. Plant protein is beneficial to the body.

    You were fooled by the marketing propaganda of one fad diet, and now you are being fooled again with another fad diet. I am not trying to be mean, I just want to make you realize that you are diet jumping. I did the same thing for years. You need to change your lifestyle to succeed.

    Of meat-eaters, semi-vegetarians, vegetarians, and vegans in the US, only vegans had a normal BMI. All other groups were overweight. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/thousands-of-vegans-studied/
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    Yep, man certainly got to where he is today by only eating plants. ;)

    For anyone on this planet to think that's the way nature intends us to eat, I just don't know what to say to you.
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
    Actually, it is true that man developed from eating plants. The theory that meat increased intelligence is faulty. How did we develop tools to hunt so we could eat meat before we had the intelligence to make the tools? Intelligence came from a plant-based diet. Then, as humans start eating more and more meat, they become more and more destructive. Animal agriculture is the single largest threat to the environment. It produces the most greenhouse gases, most water and air pollution, most soil erosion, the cause of most of the deforestation, and it starves millions of people everyday.

    Despite popular belief, humans are not omnivores. If we were omnivores, we wouldn't get sick from eating rotting flesh. We would have some biological adaptations for catching and killing prey. We wouldn't develop cancer, heart disease, and diabetes from eating animal flesh. But we do.

    Animal agriculture is destroying the planet, starving millions, killing billions of sentient beings every year, and destroying people's health. This is where we are today from eating meat.
  • SnowFlinga
    SnowFlinga Posts: 124 Member
    Guess we're going to have to let Denise Minger loose on you. ;)