Confused about low cholesterol and red meat
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QFT.Easy fix. Limit yourself to proper portion sizes and work out more. Eating healthy and exercising helps increase your HDL (good cholesterol) and decrease your LDL (bad cholesterol) and Tryglicerides (fat in the blood).
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Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
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Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!0 -
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!0 -
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
It's really not. You're wrong.0 -
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
Recent studies have suggested that saturated fat is not as bad as we once thought. And anecdotal evidence suggests that. And science tells us that lifestyle has a significantly larger impact on cholesterol levels than diet.0 -
For the science geek in you. Enjoy:happy:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3070150/
Clinical Implications of Discordance Between LDL Cholesterol and LDL Particle Number0 -
Well, I've had high cholesterol since my twenties when it was first checked. I've never been overweight, always been a runner, hiker, active person. Lifted weights (high weight, low rep) for years now. Pretty much avoided fast food and eaten a "healthy" diet comprised mostly of low processed, whole foods. My high cholesterol (most recent check was 260 fasting) is genetic, according to my doctor.
I used to have lower HDL and higher LDL, so my cholesterol ratio was troubling. A year ago, I started taking fish oil (omega 3's) just to see if it would help. The good news is that at my most recent test, my HDL is now quite high and my total ratio is now optimal. So even though I have high cholesterol, my ratio of good to bad pretty much negates any risk. Not sure if it was the fish oil or something else, but I'm going to keep taking it.
The only other change during that time period was that my doctor had me stop eating certain foods to clear up a chronic digestive disorder. We tested a whole bunch of foods through a long-term elimination diet, and milk, eggs and especially wheat/gluten, turned out to be the problem. That digestive issue is now completely cleared up. I have sharply reduced inflammation markers in my blood now that my bowels are no longer traumatized, so maybe that somehow impacted my HDL as well. Not sure.
The ratio of HDL to LDL is supposedly more important than the total number, so if you don't know your ratio, ask your doctor about it. Good luck, OP. This whole cholesterol thing is very complicated! :ohwell:0 -
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2576252
Stumbled on this just now. Will try to find the original later.0 -
Thanks. Who knows, maybe eventually it will sink in, probably not.http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2576252
Stumbled on this just now. Will try to find the original later.0 -
Thanks. Who knows, maybe eventually it will sink in, probably not.http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2576252
Stumbled on this just now. Will try to find the original later.
That article proves nothing
It simply says that lowering Sat fats ALONE will not prevent anything...I did not say I eliminated sat fats...I stated that I have a max per day and stick to it. Moderation is key (to all things actually) Keeping it within a healthy recommended range cut mine in half in less than 6 months. I changed nothing else from diet / lifestyle...I was already exercising and limiting red meats as stated...if someone cuts their sat fat down but goes crazy with something else then your right..it does nothing...however that is not what I implied 0 -
Thanks. Who knows, maybe eventually it will sink in, probably not.http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2576252
Stumbled on this just now. Will try to find the original later.
That article proves nothing It simply says that lowering Sat fats ALONE will not prevent anything...I did not say I eliminated sat fats...I stated that I have a max per day and stick to it. Moderation is key (to all things actually) Keeping it within a healthy recommended range cut mine in half in less than 6 months. I changed nothing else from diet / lifestyle...I was already exercising and limiting red meats as stated...if someone cuts their sat fat down but goes crazy with something else then your right..it does nothing...however that is not what I implied
Well, yes. That's the point. Modulating saturated fat intake while keeping everything else the same will not change your risk of heart disease.
In other words, saturated fat intake is not a causative factor in heart disease.
BTW, congratulations on lowering your cholesterol.... but keeping saturated fat in check isn't what did it.0 -
I don't have access to the Annals of Internal Medicine, but the article links to the study itself. The overall conclusion:
"Conclusion: Current evidence does not clearly support cardiovascular guidelines that encourage high consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids and low consumption of total saturated fats."0 -
I was probably mentioned before, but be sure to increase fiber.
Beans
Whole grains
Fruits
Vegetables
Eat the whole fruit, don't just drink the juice.0 -
Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
^^^^^^ This
Although if you are on a medium to high carb diet then Sat Fat will probably not help your cholesterol levels (that's no to say it will make it worse).
A high fat (and yes sat fat) low carb diet has been shown to increase the size of your LDL particles and will reduce your Triglyceride.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14601690
An LCHF diet is not everyone's cup of tea so the trick is to try and cut back on the processed carbs, 'too much' refined sugar and trans fats. Basically any food which can promote unnecessary inflammation or oxidation in the body.
Because inflammation causes the body to produce more LDL's and oxidation of the LDL's make them harmful.
So where possible try and increase the antioxidants you consume - my personal recommendation would be red wine (although that's my personal recommendation for pretty much everything). lol:laugh:
The secret is to get the ratio of HDL's the triglycerides as low as possible.0 -
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
My comments are dangerous to people's health???? How so? And how are some of the comments that I have seen you post NOT dangerous to people's health???
The whole 80/10/10 approach that I often see you advocate is not healthy because you are eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. It is very unhealthy because the protein and fat ratios are way to low for the human body to function optimally, efficiently and properly. Especially for women. Proper fat intake is very crucial for hormonal balance especially.
Maybe do some reading about cholesterol and saturated fats???
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
http://www.drcranton.com/nutrition/oiling.htm
http://coconutoil.com/mary_enig/0 -
Okay I went to the doctor and she told me my cholesterol was a little high by like 5 points. So she wanted me to go on a low cholesterol diet but everything that she asked me to do I already do except for one thing. She wants me to lower my red meat to 1 or 2 times a month. I am ok with that and I can do it. So when I went to the store I was looking on the back of stuff and noticed that red meat has only5-10 mg more cholesterol in it compared to ground turkey or chicken. the ground meat I get is the 97 - 3. So why should I cut back the red meat. does she just mean like steaks or roasts? How much cholesterol should I try to stay under a day? Is this something that I should just call her up and clarify? Also does anyone out there do something for a substitute?
I'm surprised doctors are still recommending that to overweight patients. If you want to improve your cholesterol levels then lose weight and exercise. Limiting red meat will have no significant effect.0 -
Haha lol
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
My comments are dangerous to people's health???? How so? And how are some of the comments that I have seen you post NOT dangerous to people's health???
The whole 80/10/10 approach that I often see you advocate is not healthy because you are eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. It is very unhealthy because the protein and fat ratios are way to low for the human body to function optimally, efficiently and properly. Especially for women. Proper fat intake is very crucial for hormonal balance especially.
Maybe do some reading about cholesterol and saturated fats???
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
http://www.drcranton.com/nutrition/oiling.htm
http://coconutoil.com/mary_enig/0 -
Haha lol
You're playing devil's advocate here. Your comments are dangerous to people's health.Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
My saturated fat intake has more than doubled and my cholesterol drops and has kept dropping. I was even told not to let it drop any more..........
Saturated fat has little or no effect on cholesterol levels, it is all a myth. And saturated fats are NOT unhealthy. Another myth!!!
My comments are dangerous to people's health???? How so? And how are some of the comments that I have seen you post NOT dangerous to people's health???
The whole 80/10/10 approach that I often see you advocate is not healthy because you are eating a lot of fruits and vegetables. It is very unhealthy because the protein and fat ratios are way to low for the human body to function optimally, efficiently and properly. Especially for women. Proper fat intake is very crucial for hormonal balance especially.
Maybe do some reading about cholesterol and saturated fats???
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm
http://www.drcranton.com/nutrition/oiling.htm
http://coconutoil.com/mary_enig/
you hit me as a "squats are bad for the knees" kind of guy...0 -
you hit me as a "squats are bad for the knees" kind of guy...
Tons of carbs, tons of cardio, no lifting and low protein. Look where that gets you.0 -
Saturated fat is the issue. The more saturated the worse it is. Saturated fat and possibly sugar can cause cholesterol to go up. These may cause more plaque build up in arteries. Red meat is connected with inflammation of the arteries, too. Mine jumped up after switching to coconut coconut milk thinking it was healthier. I was surprised after all the hype about coconut milk. I have started to eat red meat just once a week. No more coconut milk, either. Trying to lower sugar intake, as well. Not diabetic but thought it might be a good habit to focus on at the moment.
^^^^ AGREE ! 100%!!! I cut my cholesterol in half and raised my good ones by watching (limiting) my saturated fat and maybe increasing my endurance activity only!!! I am not a big fan of red meat so the standard lose the red meat theory did not work. The only thing different between test one and test two was cutting my saturated fat to no more than 20 grams per day and going from Zumba 5 days a week to Turbo jam 5 days per week...That is all. My Dr was actually shocked at my results.
If you drink coffee with creamer - research your creamer..it has way more calories & sat fat than the label says btw
all of this is horrifically wrong.
coconut it nature's second most perfect food after the egg. so much misinformation.
saturated fat =/= raising your cholesterol
BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol0 -
BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.0 -
you hit me as a "squats are bad for the knees" kind of guy...
Tons of carbs, tons of cardio, no lifting and low protein. Look where that gets you.
Exactly....................people that do those things have very little muscle tone, look dry and shriveled and just overall look sickly.0 -
BTW, just so everyone is better-informed, "omega 6" and "omega 3" are terms that indicate where the final unsaturated carbon lies in the fatty acid. The term literally indicates the location of an unsaturation point and therefore "omega x" fatty acids are by definition unsaturated.0
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BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.
mah bad yo!
weird. people make mistakes. who knew.
rock on with the saturated fats is the point. :P0 -
BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.
mah bad yo!
weird. people make mistakes. who knew.
rock on with the saturated fats is the point. :P
That's nice and all, but you really have no business telling people which kinds of fats are good and bad when you don't even know which of the fats you're talking about are which kind.0 -
Easiest way to lower your cholesterol is to change your parents.0
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BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.
mah bad yo!
weird. people make mistakes. who knew.
rock on with the saturated fats is the point. :P
That's nice and all, but you really have no business telling people which kinds of fats are good and bad when you don't even know which of the fats you're talking about are which kind.
I thought no foods were bad... :huh:0 -
BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.
mah bad yo!
weird. people make mistakes. who knew.
rock on with the saturated fats is the point. :P
That's nice and all, but you really have no business telling people which kinds of fats are good and bad when you don't even know which of the fats you're talking about are which kind.
I thought no foods were bad... :huh:
I didn't use the word food.... so your comment makes no sense.
I was talking about particular nutrients, as were you.0 -
BAD saturated fats (high in omega 6's) and trans fats raise your cholesterol
Total absolute fail.
Omega-6 and trans fats are unsaturated fats.
mah bad yo!
weird. people make mistakes. who knew.
rock on with the saturated fats is the point. :P
That's nice and all, but you really have no business telling people which kinds of fats are good and bad when you don't even know which of the fats you're talking about are which kind.
I thought no foods were bad... :huh:
I didn't use the word food.... so your comment makes no sense.
I was talking about particular nutrients, as were you.
wait so there are bad macronutrients? which ones?0
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