Do you believe in food addiction?
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You certainly can. I am a compulsive overeater and have attended a 12 step program.0
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Of course I believe in food addiction. It is a mental addiction obviously, not physical. Just because something is natural doesn't mean it can't become addictive. Anything that can be overdone can essentially become an addiction!0
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What do I think?
Yes, I do.0 -
Food does not contain any addictive substance like drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes do. I do not believe food is an addictive substance. I do, however, believe that people with addictive personalities can become addicted to food as an outlet for personal issues.
Saying that food releases dopamine into the brain just like drugs do is hardly a comparison and should not be a qualitative factor for determining if something is addictive. Baby laughter also releases dopamine, along with anything else that is pleasurable. But then again, I think I am addicted to hearing my baby laugh. Perhaps that's why I keep tickling her. :laugh:0 -
define addictive. depending on how you define it, anything can be addictive
psychological addiction - when someone feels they can't live without something, they can't cope when they don't have it, they get strong cravings for it.... this kind of addiction can happen with pretty much anything, including specific foods.
physiological addiction/dependence - where there are physiological withdrawal symptoms (i.e. they become physically ill, sometimes severely) such as you get from quitting alcohol or heroin cold turkey (in fact the term cold turkey originally was used to describe the withdrawal symptoms from heroin). Not all drugs produce an actually physiological dependence like this. these symptoms still occur even when there's no psychological addiction present, and it's why some medications you have to come off them slowly and under medical supervision. Food does not cause this.0 -
Anything that boosts your dopamine response past that of what is found in nature can be addicting, and that includes drugs as well as un-naturally concentrated calorie dense foods like we eat in this country. Foods can also have other addictive components, too.I know some people think that you cannot be addicted to food because it is essential for survival and not something you can quit , but I 100% believe that sugary, fatty, and salty junk foods are addictive.
What do you think?
Food addiction is a very real thing, and it is very much manufactured into many processed foods. Whole natural plant foods are not addicting.
Ask a room full of people to speak up when they spot an addictive food, then flash images of food on a screen. No one speaks up for strawberries, cantaloupe, kale, broccoli or melons, but as soon as you flash chocolate, cheese or pastries on the screen, EVERY mouth in the room speaks up simultaneously. We all know intuitively that food addiction is very real.
I think people can just honestly say that chocolate, cheese, and pastries are tastier than fruits and vegetables. That does not mean there's some conspiracy brewing in the food industry.0 -
I went to a nutritionist who explained (and I'm paraphrasing) that sugar can kickstart dopamine production in the pleasure centers of the brain and reward persons who consume it. It doesn't hit as hard as a drug like heroin but there's a pleasurable reaction that wanes over time because the receptors become desensitized to sugar. Cravings for the high can lead people to consume more sugar to feel good. This can lead to highs and lows throughout the day as the feeling wears off. The fact that we lace everything in our food chain with some form of sugar leads me to believe that yes, people can be addicted to sugar.0
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Eating highly concentrated foods gives you a larger dopamine hit that you would find from something in nature.Food does not contain any addictive substance like drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes do. I do not believe food is an addictive substance. I do, however, believe that people with addictive personalities can become addicted to food as an outlet for personal issues.
Saying that food releases dopamine into the brain just like drugs do is hardly a comparison and should not be a qualitative factor for determining if something is addictive. Baby laughter also releases dopamine, along with anything else that is pleasurable. But then again, I think I am addicted to hearing my baby laugh. Perhaps that's why I keep tickling her. :laugh:
Some food DOES contain addictive substances. Google "Chocolate" or "Cheese"0 -
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Anything that boosts your dopamine response past that of what is found in nature can be addicting, and that includes drugs as well as un-naturally concentrated calorie dense foods like we eat in this country. Foods can also have other addictive components, too.I know some people think that you cannot be addicted to food because it is essential for survival and not something you can quit , but I 100% believe that sugary, fatty, and salty junk foods are addictive.
What do you think?
Food addiction is a very real thing, and it is very much manufactured into many processed foods. Whole natural plant foods are not addicting.
Ask a room full of people to speak up when they spot an addictive food, then flash images of food on a screen. No one speaks up for strawberries, cantaloupe, kale, broccoli or melons, but as soon as you flash chocolate, cheese or pastries on the screen, EVERY mouth in the room speaks up simultaneously. We all know intuitively that food addiction is very real.
I absolutely agree.0 -
I definitely believe that you can have a food addiction.
I have been abused by people who say that it's will power. I used to be one of them (and I kind of still am.) But sometimes it's a matter of while I am saying no, while I am fighting it I'm getting into whatever it is that I'm resisting and before I know it I've eaten it. And often so fast like I'm trying to sneak it by myself. And then all that's left is to cry.
I've never understood the "it's just a lack of willpower" reasoning for saying food can't be addictive. What addiction is overcome by anything other than willpower or force?0 -
Interesting link. It concludes that food addiction could exist as a type of behavioral addiction.
I'm inclined to believe that all addictions, at their root, are behavioral addictions. Yes, there are substances which create a chemical dependency (alcohol, hard drugs, nicotine, etc...) and the severity of that dependency varies wildly from person to person- but that chemical dependency did not predate the addiction. The chemical dependency comes from repeated use. So it seems to me, the root of these 'addictions' comes from *why* there is a repeated, uncontrolled use. It is the uncontrolled factor that separates the addict from the non-addict.
Suejoker explained it quite well- her addiction to substances was, in essence, replaced by food. Ergo, there is an underlying issue at hand. Granted, it's anecdotal evidence, but I know many people like this. And they combat this difficulty in different ways, with varying degrees of success.0 -
Eating highly concentrated foods gives you a larger dopamine hit that you would find from something in nature.Food does not contain any addictive substance like drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes do. I do not believe food is an addictive substance. I do, however, believe that people with addictive personalities can become addicted to food as an outlet for personal issues.
Saying that food releases dopamine into the brain just like drugs do is hardly a comparison and should not be a qualitative factor for determining if something is addictive. Baby laughter also releases dopamine, along with anything else that is pleasurable. But then again, I think I am addicted to hearing my baby laugh. Perhaps that's why I keep tickling her. :laugh:
Some food DOES contain addictive substances. Google "Chocolate" or "Cheese"
Are you referring to phenylethylamine?0 -
Yes I'm always hungry.0
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I definitely believe that you can have a food addiction.
I have been abused by people who say that it's will power. I used to be one of them (and I kind of still am.) But sometimes it's a matter of while I am saying no, while I am fighting it I'm getting into whatever it is that I'm resisting and before I know it I've eaten it. And often so fast like I'm trying to sneak it by myself. And then all that's left is to cry.
I've never understood the "it's just a lack of willpower" reasoning for saying food can't be addictive. What addiction is overcome by anything other than willpower or force?
Well, for something like a food addiction, will power IS all it takes. Simple, but not easy. It's not like you can completely cut it out of your life like alcohol or hard drugs. Sure, will power is required to quit something like alcohol or drugs, but in some cases, a detox process in a rehab unit is required.0 -
i do believe it does exist the best senario i heard was from a pt , he said you can give up drugs , smoking , drink and never touch any of them again but with food we need it which makes it hard to give up , we can swap addictions around from sugar to fats etc or even choose excerise. we have to start with knowing how our body works and knowing what diffrent foods do for it once we understand that and feed it correctly then it becomes better for our bodies. also seen a program which did a test showed a few people eating allmost pure sugar and the same with fat not many like it at all in fact no one liked it , but once they combined they both together and added a few extra bits the people woudent stop eating it as in a full pizza a full pie, certyain foods are addictive sugar is like the devils dust its as bad a cocain for addiction i belive0
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Interesting link. It concludes that food addiction could exist as a type of behavioral addiction.
I'm inclined to believe that all addictions, at their root, are behavioral addictions. Yes, there are substances which create a chemical dependency (alcohol, hard drugs, nicotine, etc...) and the severity of that dependency varies wildly from person to person- but that chemical dependency did not predate the addiction. The chemical dependency comes from repeated use. So it seems to me, the root of these 'addictions' comes from *why* there is a repeated, uncontrolled use. It is the uncontrolled factor that separates the addict from the non-addict.
Suejoker explained it quite well- her addiction to substances was, in essence, replaced by food. Ergo, there is an underlying issue at hand. Granted, it's anecdotal evidence, but I know many people like this. And they combat this difficulty in different ways, with varying degrees of success.
chemical dependency still occurs in people who take these drugs for medical reasons when there is no psychological addiction present at all. Doctors have to supervise withdrawal, which is done by gradually decreasing the dose over a suitable time frame, in order to prevent withdrawal symptoms in the patient. Newborn babies can have the same chemical dependency to drugs taken by their mother, and they also need to be withdrawn from it in the same fashion. The chemical dependency in these cases doesn't predate psychological addiction... it occurs without any psychological addiction at all.
while I agree with your points above regarding the nature of psychological addiction, physical/chemical addiction/dependency is a different thing altogether, and it's unfortunate that the two issues are confused by having the same name.0 -
I definitely believe that you can have a food addiction.
I have been abused by people who say that it's will power. I used to be one of them (and I kind of still am.) But sometimes it's a matter of while I am saying no, while I am fighting it I'm getting into whatever it is that I'm resisting and before I know it I've eaten it. And often so fast like I'm trying to sneak it by myself. And then all that's left is to cry.
I've never understood the "it's just a lack of willpower" reasoning for saying food can't be addictive. What addiction is overcome by anything other than willpower or force?
Well, for something like a food addiction, will power IS all it takes. Simple, but not easy. It's not like you can completely cut it out of your life like alcohol or hard drugs. Sure, will power is required to quit something like alcohol or drugs, but in some cases, a detox process in a rehab unit is required.
In some cases surgery is required to break a food addiction.0 -
In for the read.
To the OPs question. No.
Dependency? Emotional crutch? Excuse? Yes.
To compare food "addiction" to an actual drug/alcohol addiction is ludicrous.0 -
It's an emotional addiction.0
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I know some people think that you cannot be addicted to food because it is essential for survival and not something you can quit , but I 100% believe that sugary, fatty, and salty junk foods are addictive.
What do you think?
Food addiction is a legitimate addiction. Some people who lack an understanding of addiction and psychological disorders will say it isn't, but that's simply due to a lack of knowledge on their part, and choosing to not be educated on it. Essentially, they're the creationists of this forum.
It's often treated either directly as food addiction, or as a behavioral issue.
You can read more about it in the DSM 5, and here is a little tidbit.
http://www.dsm5.org/documents/eating disorders fact sheet.pdf0 -
Nope. "Food Addiction" is not included in any type of diagnostic material. There are other diagnosis that capture issues with food, but food addiction (or sugar addiction) is not one of them. Studies have been performed on the concept, but the findings have not been significant enough to include in diagnostic material.
Feeding and Eating Disorders
The chapter on Feeding and Eating Disorders in the fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) includes several changes to better represent the symptoms and behaviors of patients dealing with these conditions across the lifespan. Among the most substantial changes are recognition of binge eating disorder, revisions to the diagnostic criteria for anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa, and inclusion of pica, rumination and avoidant/restrictive food intake disorder. DSM-IV listed the latter three among Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence, a chapter that will not exist in DSM-5. In recent years, clinicians and researchers have realized that a significant number of individuals with eating disorders did not fit into the DSM-IV categories of anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa. By default, many received a diagnosis of “eating disorder not otherwise specified.” Studies have suggested that a significant portion of individuals in that “not otherwise specified” category may actually have binge eating disorder.
Binge Eating Disorder
Binge eating disorder was approved for inclusion in DSM-5 as its own category of eating disorder. In DSM-IV, binge-eating disorder was not recognized as a disorder but rather described in Appendix B: Criteria Sets and Axes Provided for Further Study and was diagnosable using only the catch-all category of “eating disorder not otherwise specified.” Binge eating disorder is defined as recurring episodes of eating significantly more food in a short period of time than most people would eat under similar circumstances, with episodes marked by feelings of lack of control. Someone with binge eating disorder may eat too quickly, even when he or she is not hungry. The person may have feelings of guilt, embarrassment, or disgust and may binge eat alone to hide the behavior. This disorder is associated with marked distress and occurs, on average, at least once a week over three months. This change is intended to increase awareness of the substantial differences between binge eating disorder and the common phenomenon of overeating. While overeating is a challenge for many Americans, recurrent binge eating is much less common, far more severe, and is associated with significant physical and psychological problems.
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Eating Disorders Fact Sheet.pdf
Feeding and Eating Disorders
In DSM-5, the feeding and eating disorders include several disorders included in DSM-IV as feeding and eating disorders of infancy or early childhood in the chapter “Disorders Usually First Diagnosed in Infancy, Childhood, or Adolescence.” In addition, brief descriptions and preliminary diagnostic criteria are provided for several conditions under other specified feeding and eating disorder; insufficient information about these conditions is currently available to document their clinical characteristics and validity or to provide definitive diagnostic criteria.
Binge-Eating Disorder
Extensive research followed the promulgation of preliminary criteria for binge eating disorder in Appendix B of DSM-IV, and findings supported the clinical utility and validity of binge-eating disorder. The only significant difference from the preliminary DSM-IV criteria is that the minimum average frequency of binge eating required for diagnosis has been changed from at least twice weekly for 6 months to at least once weekly over the last 3 months, which is identical to the DSM-5 frequency criterion for bulimia nervosa.
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/changes from dsm-iv-tr to dsm-5.pdf
On another note, treatment for true addictions can be done in multiple ways and should be tailored to the individual. For example, one approach maybe AA/NA (abstinence) and another may include harm reduction.
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I definitely believe that you can have a food addiction.
I have been abused by people who say that it's will power. I used to be one of them (and I kind of still am.) But sometimes it's a matter of while I am saying no, while I am fighting it I'm getting into whatever it is that I'm resisting and before I know it I've eaten it. And often so fast like I'm trying to sneak it by myself. And then all that's left is to cry.
I've never understood the "it's just a lack of willpower" reasoning for saying food can't be addictive. What addiction is overcome by anything other than willpower or force?
Well, for something like a food addiction, will power IS all it takes. Simple, but not easy. It's not like you can completely cut it out of your life like alcohol or hard drugs. Sure, will power is required to quit something like alcohol or drugs, but in some cases, a detox process in a rehab unit is required.
In some cases surgery is required to break a food addiction.
I assume you mean gastric bypass?
That's true in some respect. I admit I don't know a lot about how that works psychologically, but I have seen stories where people get surgery, end up losing weight, and then turn to another substance because they didn't address the issues that caused the addiction in the first place.
I think weight loss surgery is an interesting concept. Food addiction and becoming morbidly obese have little to do with being hungry, and yet some people have surgery to make their stomach smaller to give them a "full" feeling on little food.0 -
Interesting link. It concludes that food addiction could exist as a type of behavioral addiction.
I'm inclined to believe that all addictions, at their root, are behavioral addictions. Yes, there are substances which create a chemical dependency (alcohol, hard drugs, nicotine, etc...) and the severity of that dependency varies wildly from person to person- but that chemical dependency did not predate the addiction. The chemical dependency comes from repeated use. So it seems to me, the root of these 'addictions' comes from *why* there is a repeated, uncontrolled use. It is the uncontrolled factor that separates the addict from the non-addict.
Suejoker explained it quite well- her addiction to substances was, in essence, replaced by food. Ergo, there is an underlying issue at hand. Granted, it's anecdotal evidence, but I know many people like this. And they combat this difficulty in different ways, with varying degrees of success.
I completely agree that almost all addictions are behavioral at their root. Most people greatly overestimate the physical/chemical dependency side of addiction (probably due to watching too many after school specials as kids).
It's really not that hard to get detoxed from drugs or alcohol. But curing addiction is a lot harder than just detoxing someone.0 -
I absolutely believe in food addiction! That's what i've been saying for a couple of years now until I finally got help. I feel like a lot of people don't want to use that terminology but I really do think that is exactly how we should be referring to our endless crusade of dieting. I hope you have found a way to deal with your addiction because as soon as I started saying it out loud and actually coming to terms with it, thats when I finaly felt free and able to move forward in a lot of areas of my life. Don't feel ashamed or embarased in any way. Take care. xoxox0
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I came to watch the creationists, and I've been amused. This thread delivers.0
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Absolutely yes. There have been studies that showed the brain lit up in the same way for an addict getting a fix or a person eating something sweet. I believe over-eating and food addiction is part of a larger eating disorder but still addictive.0
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I know some people think that you cannot be addicted to food because it is essential for survival and not something you can quit , but I 100% believe that sugary, fatty, and salty junk foods are addictive.
What do you think?
Food addiction is a legitimate addiction. Some people who lack an understanding of addiction and psychological disorders will say it isn't, but that's simply due to a lack of knowledge on their part, and choosing to not be educated on it. Essentially, they're the creationists of this forum.
It's often treated either directly as food addiction, or as a behavioral issue.
You can read more about it in the DSM 5, and here is a little tidbit.
http://www.dsm5.org/documents/eating disorders fact sheet.pdf
Well I don't actually care about the food addiction - is it or is it not - seems like a a classic MFP forum battle of semantics, that said...
What in that "tidbit" even refers to food addiction? I don't think anyone is saying eating disorders don't exist and that is all your "tidbit" seems to talk about.0 -
Food hits your pleasure centers just like drugs, acohol and sex so yes food addiction is very real. That is why most people have problems with emtional eating0
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There was a long thread arguing sugar as addictive the other day. Because peer reviewed studies show Sugar triggers the same dopamine and other receptors in our brains the same way as heroin nicotine cocaine etc i would tend to agree it can be classed as addictive. Since you cannot eliminate sugars from your diet (there are loads of naturally occurring ones. it really means i guess you can become addicted to the instant hit of processed sugars like say a huge bottle of pop or 12 a day
I've known some people who were definitely addicted to processed sugars for the hit (one was a 400 pound junkie now dead who I've seen go through 16 liters of pepsi and 4 cakes in a sitting when coming down
but overall no I don't think food per se can be classed addictive unless you lose a very loose definition of addictions
having had an addiction I should point out that it is very different than having a behavioral habit like sitting and eating from boredom etc. Physical addictions have real withdrawal symptoms and the actual withdrawal is usually not that long (72 hours for many) after that it's a behavioral thing (learning how to live without the habits tied to the addiction - so for food learning how to eat properly for instance) Also not all people are as easily addicted to things, Smoking as an example i had a hell of a time quitting and finally did after 40 years, my wife could take it or leave it at any point and never got addicted. our brains are just wired differently, my history tells me I'm hard wired for addictions so I have to be aware of it (I quit drinking because it was getting into the danger zone, i know in that case i will drink again it was time to break from it so i could get back to moderation and control of it - i like a glass of wine or a good cocktail too much to say never again - i needed to say not so many and none for a while 12 weeks now )
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