CURE FOR DIABETES ????
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I have personally cured pre-diabetes symptoms through extreme diet alteration.0 -
Mmm....many doctors would disagree with you. Are you a doctor?There is no such thing as prediabetets. Its like being a little bit pregnant. --- Your diabetic or your not.0 -
not sure if I would call it cured but you can deff put the affects of type 2 into remission I have been type 2 for 5 to 6 years. I have been taken off of meds now from diet and exercise and this is the term my doctor used and says if I continue with the path I am on that there is now strong evidence that the high blood surgar levels will not return but if I stop the path and return to old ways they will most certainly return good luck to the op I wish you all the best it can be prevented0
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http://www.diabetes-warrior.net/
This guy is being sued by the American Medical Board for "offering medical advice when he is not a trained medical practitioner" - all because he keeps a blog of how diet and exercise have cleared us every diabetic symptom he had.
It's a fascinating read, even for someone like me, who doesn't have the condition.0 -
Mmm....many doctors would disagree with you. Are you a doctor?There is no such thing as prediabetets. Its like being a little bit pregnant. --- Your diabetic or your not.
I am a PWD - person with diabetes, my education comes from living with this 24/7/365 as compared to most MDs who get maybe 2 hours in medical school. For most Docs that means 2 hours of information based on treatment standards and knowledge from 20 or more years ago. For me it meant reaching out to the DOC Diabetic online comunity for information and advice on how to procede when my doc was clueless.
I have had to make my own diagnosis since the ER had it completely wrong, teach my PMD so I was able to get the correct testing and then get in with a good Endo who is up to date with the latest therapy protocols and tech. As it is i have had to lead my endo team to learn about solutions that are used in the pediatric world but not common in adult practice. In short this is my disease and I have had to find out what works for me since each PWD responds differently to meals, carbs, kinds of carbs as well as exercise, medications etc.
I stand by the no such thing as prediabetes - let me explain why I say this - and yes MDs do use the term and so does the American diabetes Association, both to the detriment of those that they are suposed to advocate for or treat.
Prediabetes is defined by the A1C range.
Normal is less than 5.7, prediabetic is 5.7 to less than 6.5, and diabetic is anything equal to or greater than 6.5.
So what exactly is an A1C - it is a test that measures the average serum glucose level for about the last 3 months. it is based on the ability of glucose to permanantly attach to your red bllod cells. These red cells have on average a three month life span before they are destroyed. new cells are constanly being made to replace those that are removed. The higher the serum glucose is at any time the higer permanntly bound glucose and the A1C will be. BUT remember that this is an average.
It does not tell you how high you spike with the meals that you eat. You can be low over night and spike for each meal and not really see how high you go.
If you look at the conversion tables for A1Cs the average Serum BG that coresponds to the prediabetic range is 117 to 140.
Remember that this is the average. An average that high means there is considerable time spent well above the 140 range.
So why is this bad - any time spent above 140 causes permanant damage to nerves, blood vesels and organs. It may be a tiny amount for each minute but it is real and it adds up over time. Persons with normal glucose metabolism rarely go over 110 - 120 so they rarely hit the 140 threshold.
As a "Prediabetic" you are living a portion of you life in the danger zone and causing permant harm before you even get called a diabetic and offered therapy and more importantly before you are made aware that you are harming yourself. When you see your PMD and your numbers are little high what do they tell you? Watch your sugar, be more active, lose a little weigh. There is never any mention of the damage that is being done, There is also no information on how to know how high your BGs go post meals, or how to test you own individual responce to the foods you eat. If you do not have this information then how do you know what you are trying is working? Do they even tell you that all carbs - not just sugar must be restircted to prevent damage? That your pre meal and post meal BG readings should not be more than 40 points different. That some kinds of carbs, or amounts of carbs will be fine for you but others will not and the only way you will find this out is to poke your finger and test? Most of the time you can not get a MD to prescribe a glucose meter and and adequate number of test strips.
Many presons have longstanding ireversable damage to sight, kidney, nerves by the time they final get called diabetic and even then it is a struggle to get adequete informationa on diet, BG testing as well as being almost imposible for many T2s to get adequet numbers of BG test trips without paying out of pocket. Even when you are finally diagnosed there is no real emphisis on getting you numbers into a save level quickly. Many new T2s linger in the 250-300 range for weeks before the perscribed oral meds finally have an effect. Would you want that to be you or a family menber? it is almost a gauranty of a less than favorble long term out come.
I find it sad that here is much more emphesis on treating the side effects via big pharma than giving people the education and tools to prevent the issues in the first place. Have you seen the pharma adds recently? Have you heard about the proposed medicare/medicaid restrictions on test strips for T2s to one strip once a week?
Alot of this has to do with the preception that there is always a poor out come for T2s, and that you will not take care of yourself so why bother treating aggressivly. And its your fault since your a lazy slob so why spend money on you, BUT if patients are provided with accurate information and the tools to *kitten*, modify and treat their disease then it does not need to happen.
Each diabetic is different in how they handle the foods they eat. Most need to restrict their carb intake to about half of the ADA or Registerd Diatician recomended amount for diabetics. I spiked to over 300 when I ate the "Diabetic Diet" given me when I was in hospital at my diagnosis. With the right tools and the right knowledge I have my A1C down to normal levels. Am I cured - NO! Not until they have a therapy that will change my molecular genetic makeup and prevent my abnormal glucose metabolism. Can
I keep the complications at bay? Yes as long as I have/can afford the right tools. If i stop diong what i'm doing right or if my body decides to through me a few more curves than I'm going to have to start over again.
I'm currently blessed with very good health insurance but when I retire I'll be having to deal with Medicare and from what Im hearing these days I'm very much not looking forward to it.0 -
Newcastle is stating that the problem is being removed and the function of the organs effected are returning to normal is that not cured?
i wouldn't call it controlled or managed would you?
i guess only time will tell , people are cured of cancer and sometimes it comes back.
I think a better term would be "remission." I think its arguable that people who have had Diabetes are at higher risk of redeveloping it, much like a cancer patient is more likely to redevelop cancer. In either case, they're "cured" in the sense that it's gone, for now, but there's a chance it'll come back.
That said, mainstream medicine being more likely to acknowledge that diet can send at least Type 2 Diabetes into remission is a win in my book, though I think there are better ways to go about it than through starvation diets.0 -
October 2013 Newcastle universities biomedicine research facillity England, published this...
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm
After the recent news i had i thought i might give it a go, i was told im pre diabetic and can try to keep it at bay by changing my diet and exercising as if i have already got full blown type 2, but that i will no doubt have diabetes type 2 in the near future because of family history, im still producing some insulin but because i gained weight in my waist area the insulin im producing wont be working anyway :P
It makes interesting reading and could change lives of many people, i would like your thoughts on this too though.
thanks for your input, both of you:flowerforyou:I found the Newcastle study very helpful. The study contends that Type 2 is caused by excess fat in liver and pancreas and can be reversed by losing enough visceral fat. I have successfully reversed my diabetes inasmuch as I have been instructed to stop medicating.
I was diagnosed with Type 2 in August 2012 with an hba1c of 10+, and began losing weight using MFP. It took me six months to drop 10% of body weight, by which time my hba1c had improved sufficiently for my GP to give me license to experiment with reducing metformin. I was originally prescribed 2000 mg of metformin daily.
It took me another year to hit 20% of body weight lost. By this time my hba1c had been 4.9 for two tests running (three months apart) and I was only taking a single 500 mg tablet every other day. I was instructed to stop medicating altogether. This week I did my first hba1c following three months without medication. Hoping the results are still good.
Yippee. My hba1c is 5.0 after 3 months without medication.0 -
I thought this was going to be about cow urine.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/13/jairam-singhal-cow-urine-diabetes_n_4589652.html0 -
2Hobbit,
Thanks for sharing you experience as a diabetic, but you are wrong about there being no pre-diabetes. Millions have been diagnosed with it, specifically several people I know. No offense intended, but just because you are diabetic does not mean you know everything about the disease. It comes across as medical advice, for which you are not qualified to give.0 -
2Hobbit,
Thanks for sharing you experience as a diabetic, but you are wrong about there being no pre-diabetes. Millions have been diagnosed with it, specifically several people I know. No offense intended, but just because you are diabetic does not mean you know everything about the disease. It comes across as medical advice, for which you are not qualified to give.
Yes the medical profession uses the term a lot and many people are called prediabetic by their MDs. I do not doubt that you and many on the boards know many people with that designation.
The point I'm trying to make is that the Blood Glucose and A1C levels that are used to make that designation still put the the "prediabetic" in the danger range for permanant tissue damamge. Just because your average is not above 140 does not mean you are not going above that with every carb heavy meal you eat.. The only way to know is to test your BG 90-120 minutes after your meals to see how high you peak with the various amounts and kind of carbs you eat . Any one can do this if they choose - you do not need a doctors order to do this testing - you can get a meter and strips from Walmart or you local chain Pharmacy if you choose. They are sold over the counter. The pharmacist will even help you learn how to do it if you want. If you spend a few bucks and find that your glucose metabolism is normal then good for you, but if not then you have a tool to help your self.
If you put a group of people in a room and tell them they are prediabetic and just loose a little weight, watch your sugar, exercise a bit more and you will be fine but do not give them any other information how many people will take it seriously?
If you put the same group of people in a room and tell them they are prediabetic and instead say that the longer you stay above 140 post meals the more permanant damage you will do to your self. BUT here are the tools and the information to keep the damage from happening, many more will folow through and take care of themselves and work to prevent any future problems.
This same information is what should be given to all diabetics, and at this point it all too frequently does not happen even when the diagnosis is that you are are now diabetic. Most commonly you're give a perscription for an oral medication, if your lucky you get a trip to Certified diabetic Educator, and if you hit the jackpot you get a meter and test strips. Then your told to come back in a couple of months.
Knowledge is the biggest part of getting on top of this disease - but most people have to go find it on their own since they do not get it from their medical practitioners.
If you're interested a good book to start with is
Think Like a Pancreas by Gary Scheiner
Good websites - these are links to the suport forums, the main pages have a lot of info, but the member pages are outstanding
http://community.diabetes.org/?loc=util-header_connect
http://www.tudiabetes.org/forum
If recomending self education is giving medical advice then so be it. There is so much mis and dis information out there in the media these days, so many quack cures and so many public policy decisions driven by this missinformation that a bit of advocacy is not out of place.0 -
I think it's great that you are advocating for diabetes, but do you see the impact of something like this:If recomending self education is giving medical advice then so be it. There is so much mis and dis information out there in the media these days, so many quack cures and so many public policy decisions driven by this missinformation that a bit of advocacy is not out of place
You are basically telling people to go to their local Walmart and pick up some strips, test their blood, and then decide on your recommendation whether they have diabetes or not. That's giving medical advice, for which you are not qualified. I also wonder if in certain states blood glucose monitor and strips might not be sold over the counter. I don't know, just a thought.The point I'm trying to make is that the Blood Glucose and A1C levels that are used to make that designation still put the the "prediabetic" in the danger range for permanant tissue damamge. Just because your average is not above 140 does not mean you are not going above that with every carb heavy meal you eat.. The only way to know is to test your BG 90-120 minutes after your meals to see how high you peak with the various amounts and kind of carbs you eat . Any one can do this if they choose - you do not need a doctors order to do this testing - you can get a meter and strips from Walmart or you local chain Pharmacy if you choose. They are sold over the counter. The pharmacist will even help you learn how to do it if you want. If you spend a few bucks and find that your glucose metabolism is normal then good for you, but if not then you have a tool to help your self
Diabetes needs to be diagnosed by a doctor, as does pre-diabetes.
The best of luck to you.0 -
Regarding the "advice"
I think it's great that you are advocating for diabetes, but do you see the impact of something like this:If recomending self education is giving medical advice then so be it. There is so much mis and dis information out there in the media these days, so many quack cures and so many public policy decisions driven by this missinformation that a bit of advocacy is not out of place
You are basically telling people to go to their local Walmart and pick up some strips, test their blood, and then decide on your recommendation whether they have diabetes or not. That's giving medical advice, for which you are not qualified. I also wonder if in certain states blood glucose monitor and strips might not be sold over the counter. I don't know, just a thought.The point I'm trying to make is that the Blood Glucose and A1C levels that are used to make that designation still put the the "prediabetic" in the danger range for permanant tissue damamge. Just because your average is not above 140 does not mean you are not going above that with every carb heavy meal you eat.. The only way to know is to test your BG 90-120 minutes after your meals to see how high you peak with the various amounts and kind of carbs you eat . Any one can do this if they choose - you do not need a doctors order to do this testing - you can get a meter and strips from Walmart or you local chain Pharmacy if you choose. They are sold over the counter. The pharmacist will even help you learn how to do it if you want. If you spend a few bucks and find that your glucose metabolism is normal then good for you, but if not then you have a tool to help your self
Diabetes needs to be diagnosed by a doctor, as does pre-diabetes.
The best of luck to you.
I'm going to play devil's advocate here ...
Personally, I think the poster (2hobbit1) is giving EXCELLENT advice which, while seemingly of a medical nature, is NOT technically medical advice.
2hobbit one did not suggest that laypeople were diagnosing diabetes, but determining if they have impaired glucose metabolism.
Would you suggest only a doctor diagnose a fever? Or would you go to walmart and buy a thermometer, and test, and see if you have a fever?
It's the EXACT same situation - you're simply looking at a meter reading.
The advice 2hobbit one is giving is not only ACCURATE, it's IMPORTANT and often critically-overlooked by many individuals and our health-care system as a whole.
On the subject of Pre-Diabetes
While I agree that many individuals diagnosed as "pre-diabetic" are often in the danger zone for causing damage ... (both the AACE - the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists and the IDF - the International Diabetes Assocation - have position papers and guidelines that unequivocally state that any blood glucose level above 140mg/dl or 7.8mmol/L causes damage - as this is scientific fact...)
... I still think there's room for the term in that MOST people diagnosed as 'pre-diabetic' by the current diagnostic criteria have an incredibly good chance of completely eliminating their symptoms and repairing their glucose metabolism before it causes permanent damage.
Unfortunately most diagnosed with "full-blown" diabetes have caused at least a little permanent damage - whether vascular or of an endocrinological nature.0 -
To more-simply clarify what I was stating above...)
While this is true when it comes to official medical records ... Non-physicians are perfectly-capable of using a meter to determine if they have an impaired glucose tolerance. Much like they're perfectly-capable of determining if they have a fever.Diabetes needs to be diagnosed by a doctor, as does pre-diabetes.
And for the record - I *am* fully-qualified to make that statement.0 -
Actually, Mr. Cooksey was being sued by the North Carolina Dietetic board (the state board that regulates dieticians/nutritionists in North Carolina)
The problem was his advice conflicts with theirs. His advice is also correct while theirs is absolutely incorrect. (BTW they're almost fully-funded by a combination of food and pharmaceutical giants - so the conflict of interest is enormous.)
Basically, he was giving advice on his website that contradicts what their state-regulated dieticians would provide, and he had actual scientific research/evidence backing it up. And they had no evidence to support their stance.
So they sued him. And lost. 0 -
Hi everyone! Id like also to share my thoughts about this.0
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March 27, 2014 3:51 AM
http://healthycurezone.blogspot.com/2013/03/does-coconut-water-help-in-diabetes.html0 -
Not quite. He's a Paleo/Primal blogger who encourages diabetics to go on the Paleo diet.
Actually, Mr. Cooksey was being sued by the North Carolina Dietetic board (the state board that regulates dieticians/nutritionists in North Carolina)
The problem was his advice conflicts with theirs. His advice is also correct while theirs is absolutely incorrect. (BTW they're almost fully-funded by a combination of food and pharmaceutical giants - so the conflict of interest is enormous.)
Basically, he was giving advice on his website that contradicts what their state-regulated dieticians would provide, and he had actual scientific research/evidence backing it up. And they had no evidence to support their stance.
So they sued him. And lost.
A complaint was made to The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition that he was practicing nutrition without a licence.
The Board investigated the claim and told him that he was violating state law by providing nutrition advice without qualifications and a licence. They demanded changes to his site so that it did not appear that he was practicing nutrition. He agreed to the changes and the complaint was closed. He made a huge drama about it, accusing the the NCBoD of foul play even though the complaint was closed. He got good publicity, particularly from the Paleo followers and the likes of Natural News and Mercola, which speaks volumes about his credibility.
It's funny how stories get twisted....0 -
I personally don't think "cured" is the right term - I agree with saying it's more of a remission. However, if you change your lifestyle to the point where you function at normal bs levels then good for you - doesn't matter if you consider yourself cured you saved yourself.0
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True, looking deeper into it he wasn't "sued" but investigated.
Not quite. He's a Paleo/Primal blogger who encourages diabetics to go on the Paleo diet.
Actually, Mr. Cooksey was being sued by the North Carolina Dietetic board (the state board that regulates dieticians/nutritionists in North Carolina)
The problem was his advice conflicts with theirs. His advice is also correct while theirs is absolutely incorrect. (BTW they're almost fully-funded by a combination of food and pharmaceutical giants - so the conflict of interest is enormous.)
Basically, he was giving advice on his website that contradicts what their state-regulated dieticians would provide, and he had actual scientific research/evidence backing it up. And they had no evidence to support their stance.
So they sued him. And lost.
A complaint was made to The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition that he was practicing nutrition without a licence.
The Board investigated the claim and told him that he was violating state law by providing nutrition advice without qualifications and a licence. They demanded changes to his site so that it did not appear that he was practicing nutrition. He agreed to the changes and the complaint was closed. He made a huge drama about it, accusing the the NCBoD of foul play even though the complaint was closed. He got good publicity, particularly from the Paleo followers and the likes of Natural News and Mercola, which speaks volumes about his credibility.
It's funny how stories get twisted....
However most of what you write is the story from the North Carolina BoD. If you look online at some of what they sent him - they told him that basically everything that is truly covered by free speech amounted to "assessing and informing" and required a license.
They claim suggesting that diabetics get blood sugar under control "require a license". The told him helping people "lose weight" requires a license. Not kidding. It's freely available to look at. They seriously wanted to shut him up and shut him down.
The full truth is somewhere in between what both parties would have you believe.0 -
Nevermind that without a prescription those test strips cost $150 for a small bottle. I had to go through that mess.
I think it's great that you are advocating for diabetes, but do you see the impact of something like this:If recomending self education is giving medical advice then so be it. There is so much mis and dis information out there in the media these days, so many quack cures and so many public policy decisions driven by this missinformation that a bit of advocacy is not out of place
You are basically telling people to go to their local Walmart and pick up some strips, test their blood, and then decide on your recommendation whether they have diabetes or not. That's giving medical advice, for which you are not qualified. I also wonder if in certain states blood glucose monitor and strips might not be sold over the counter. I don't know, just a thought.The point I'm trying to make is that the Blood Glucose and A1C levels that are used to make that designation still put the the "prediabetic" in the danger range for permanant tissue damamge. Just because your average is not above 140 does not mean you are not going above that with every carb heavy meal you eat.. The only way to know is to test your BG 90-120 minutes after your meals to see how high you peak with the various amounts and kind of carbs you eat . Any one can do this if they choose - you do not need a doctors order to do this testing - you can get a meter and strips from Walmart or you local chain Pharmacy if you choose. They are sold over the counter. The pharmacist will even help you learn how to do it if you want. If you spend a few bucks and find that your glucose metabolism is normal then good for you, but if not then you have a tool to help your self
Diabetes needs to be diagnosed by a doctor, as does pre-diabetes.
The best of luck to you.0 -
That's not even remotely correct.Nevermind that without a prescription those test strips cost $150 for a small bottle. I had to go through that mess.
With their "ReliOn" meter you can get test strips anywhere from $9 to $20 for the bottle. Even the "brand name" products cost considerably less than you suggest. Heck, you can get a ReliOn meter AND 100 test strips for $36 total.
http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/diabetic-test-strips0 -
You're right, I did not buy my strips for $150 from CVS. I have no idea what I'm talking about. LALALALALA
That's not even remotely correct.Nevermind that without a prescription those test strips cost $150 for a small bottle. I had to go through that mess.
With their "ReliOn" meter you can get test strips anywhere from $9 to $20 for the bottle. Even the "brand name" products cost considerably less than you suggest. Heck, you can get a ReliOn meter AND 100 test strips for $36 total.
http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/diabetic-test-strips0 -
There's currently no medical consensus on whether someone who reverses all symptoms is cured, controlled, etc. I can see arguments (logical and medical) for both sides - but I doubt we'll have a consensus in the next 10 years ... People are free to call it what they're comfortable with.I personally don't think "cured" is the right term - I agree with saying it's more of a remission. However, if you change your lifestyle to the point where you function at normal bs levels then good for you - doesn't matter if you consider yourself cured you saved yourself.
I'm more-comfortable with the term "controlled".
Myself, I now have an HbA1c in the 5.2% range - within normal non-diabetic levels - and am free from all diabetic complications. Am I cured? No - I have a pancreas that produces very little insulin. Obviously I'm not cured - I'm controlled.
If, however, someone has NO symptoms, complications, deficiencies, etc., etc., and maintains healthy glucose metabolism throughout their life (whether by diet, exercise or a combination of both) they could certainly be considered "cured" - at least of the symptoms/complications - even though it's because they "control" it.0 -
Well, you bought brand-name strips at full price from a full-price pharmacy and got no better reliability than the same strips for $10 from Wal-Mart.
You're right, I did not buy my strips for $150 from CVS. I have no idea what I'm talking about. LALALALALA
That's not even remotely correct.Nevermind that without a prescription those test strips cost $150 for a small bottle. I had to go through that mess.
With their "ReliOn" meter you can get test strips anywhere from $9 to $20 for the bottle. Even the "brand name" products cost considerably less than you suggest. Heck, you can get a ReliOn meter AND 100 test strips for $36 total.
http://www.walmart.com/c/kp/diabetic-test-strips
I guess you don't want to hear that and still think I'm somehow incorrect?0
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