Experiencing Sugar and Fat Withdrawal: CRISIS MODE!
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Why? What's stopping it being incorporated as part of a healthy lifestyle?The grand thing about pizza is that it's 100% possible to incorporate it as a healthy option.
My post workout Pizza, once it had extra topping was likely around 1000 calories with 70g carbs, 45g fat and 65g protein (taking a bit of a guess there - the rest of the meat I had logged was eaten with salad later.)
Oh and stick to fruit sugars. Great, so I can get addicted to a different kind of sugar! I also have problems with food like grapes and melons - if the Melons are ripe, can easily eat two whole large mellons in one sitting.
I guess in my mind the two are interchangeable. Healthy option and healthy lifestyle, that is. I was more intending the statement as, pizza is not something you have to avoid. I feel like if you can incorporate something into a healthy lifestyle, it's a healthy option... well, most things. I don't think meth is ultimately a good addendum to a healthy lifestyle
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Yeah, this is like being addicted to beer that came from a bottle but not beer that came from a can.Sugar is super addicting and is in most of the foods in the grocery store aisles. Try to stick to the natural sugars found in fruits and agave, and those pesky white sugar cravings will go away.
White sugar is natural. Sugar beets and sugar cane.
Um, duh, the fiber in fruit and veg are what make the sugar special and safe!
That's why I take a fiber supplement with my cake.0 -
Yeah, this is like being addicted to beer that came from a bottle but not beer that came from a can.Sugar is super addicting and is in most of the foods in the grocery store aisles. Try to stick to the natural sugars found in fruits and agave, and those pesky white sugar cravings will go away.
White sugar is natural. Sugar beets and sugar cane.
Aluminum has no BPAs brah
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Sounds to me like you're just playing games, but who knows?
There are many addictions where people don't sell their children. Don't know of any who have for a pack of cigarettes, not to say it hasn't happened.
Joke to you or not, I do believe that sugar is just is the same sort of physical addiction to many as the thing you mentioned. Just like cigarettes, alcohols, drugs, etc. not everyone gets physically addicted but as a sugar addict knows, there are plenty out there.
I've never been a binger but I did go a few years without eating sugar AT ALL. I never craved it, it was not hard for me to say no to birthday cakes, etc. As soon as I told myself "maybe just this time" and took a few small bites the cravings were back.
Oh really NO SUGAR at all, no fruit, no sweet potatoes, no bread etc.
I doubt this. :noway:0 -
Sounds to me like you're just playing games, but who knows?
There are many addictions where people don't sell their children. Don't know of any who have for a pack of cigarettes, not to say it hasn't happened.
Joke to you or not, I do believe that sugar is just is the same sort of physical addiction to many as the thing you mentioned. Just like cigarettes, alcohols, drugs, etc. not everyone gets physically addicted but as a sugar addict knows, there are plenty out there.
I've never been a binger but I did go a few years without eating sugar AT ALL. I never craved it, it was not hard for me to say no to birthday cakes, etc. As soon as I told myself "maybe just this time" and took a few small bites the cravings were back.
Oh really NO SUGAR at all, no fruit, no sweet potatoes, no bread etc.
I doubt this. :noway:
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Not really for me.you can choose to just have some.
Some have better self control with food than others.
I just ate an entire box of french fancies.
I did already plan to take the dog for a run however, so that'll balance my diary fine.
Yes, what applies to the rest of the human race really does apply to you. You have the choice to put the next bite in your mouth. Some superhuman entity does not take over your body and force feed you all the food. People like to cry 'addiction' when it comes to eating and making choices. But honestly, whether you eat one cookie or the whole box, it's still a choice. Eventually you'll run out of cookies and how you feel about what you ate is up to you.0 -
eat some... just watch your calorie limits. trust me, I know how hard self control can be0
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Full disclosure: I've tried the full abstinence approach (in 2012 when I tried that strict paleo thing for a full year). Yeah, my cravings for certain foods diminished *for a while*. I think it helped my compliance that I was eating at a surplus during that time. I also think that a return of those cravings is inevitable.
When I went back to non-paleo, it took me a while to regain my self control...but the more I tried it, the better I got at it. I came to the conclusion that self control is a skill that can be improved by practicing it...or at the very least, a habit that I could improve.
It seems to me that very few people have found the solution to their cravings in full abstinence for a period longer than a few months. Yeah, there are some who have gone years, but I believe these people have will power that would have allowed them to succeed without abstinence from these foods. (The non-food stories of many of these people are really interesting and IMHO demonstrate this will power I'm referring to.)
TL;DR - perhaps those who say they don't have the will power don't have it because they haven't practiced/developed it.0 -
Full disclosure: I've tried the full abstinence approach (in 2012 when I tried that strict paleo thing for a full year). Yeah, my cravings for certain foods diminished *for a while*. I think it helped my compliance that I was eating at a surplus during that time. I also think that a return of those cravings is inevitable.
When I went back to non-paleo, it took me a while to regain my self control...but the more I tried it, the better I got at it. I came to the conclusion that self control is a skill that can be improved by practicing it...or at the very least, a habit that I could improve.
It seems to me that very few people have found the solution to their cravings in full abstinence for a period longer than a few months. Yeah, there are some who have gone years, but I believe these people have will power that would have allowed them to succeed without abstinence from these foods. (The non-food stories of many of these people are really interesting and IMHO demonstrate this will power I'm referring to.)
TL;DR - perhaps those who say they don't have the will power don't have it because they haven't practiced/developed it.
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Sugar can be just as addicting as drugs. Don't listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.0
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Sugar is super addicting and is in most of the foods in the grocery store aisles. Try to stick to the natural sugars found in fruits and agave, and those pesky white sugar cravings will go away.
White sugar is natural. Sugar beets and sugar cane.
White sugar is highly refined...0 -
Sugar can be just as addicting as drugs. Don't listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.
Bull. Spit. You've obviously never been addicted to or known anyone who was addicted to drugs. You owe them all an apology.0 -
I totally understand. Some people do NOT understand because they do not have your issue. Its like depression. People that have never had it, just don't understand it. Its ok. They cannot be held accountable for things they have never experienced or understand. Don't pay any attention to the ones who are hatin.
There is a saying: It is better to remain quiet and be thought A fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. :laugh:0 -
Full disclosure: I've tried the full abstinence approach (in 2012 when I tried that strict paleo thing for a full year). Yeah, my cravings for certain foods diminished *for a while*. I think it helped my compliance that I was eating at a surplus during that time. I also think that a return of those cravings is inevitable.
When I went back to non-paleo, it took me a while to regain my self control...but the more I tried it, the better I got at it. I came to the conclusion that self control is a skill that can be improved by practicing it...or at the very least, a habit that I could improve.
It seems to me that very few people have found the solution to their cravings in full abstinence for a period longer than a few months. Yeah, there are some who have gone years, but I believe these people have will power that would have allowed them to succeed without abstinence from these foods. (The non-food stories of many of these people are really interesting and IMHO demonstrate this will power I'm referring to.)
TL;DR - perhaps those who say they don't have the will power don't have it because they haven't practiced/developed it.
I will agree that many people who blame addiction or whatever are people who are still in the blame phase of things. That being said, I have personal experience with compulsive eating disorder. While afterwards, you may feel disgusted with yourself or even purge (thus stemming to bulimia), there are cases of blind consumption... of course, this is not special to food, though. Generally speaking, I don't allow for excuses.
I do think it's important to recognize that both over-consumption and over-restriction can be compulsive behaviors that are literally not subject to rational thought. While I don't think that's the case here... It's hard to explain the schism in the psyche that comes with it. I'm still trying to find the right words for myself!0 -
Sugar can be just as addicting as drugs. Don't listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.
Bull. Spit. You've obviously never been addicted to or known anyone who was addicted to drugs. You owe them all an apology.
This is not actually bull, there is scientific proof of addiction cycles related to sugar. It can directly impact the production and absorption of neurotransmitters in the brain, and these chemicals are the same as those released during drug use, nicotine consumption, and sex.
That being said, there's also a biological need that is necessitated by consumption of high sugar foods. They spike insulin production, which in turn can bottom out the blood sugar level. This sudden drop in blood glucose can trigger a sense of intense urgency to supply sugar to the body in a self-preservation type of response. This physiological response is why artificial sweeteners can cause sugar cravings, and are often the cause for repetitive consumption. Now, it's been proven that you can stop this by eating a high sugar, low glycemic index food like fruit, but someone with a candy bar stash is probably not going to turn to the apple for a sugar fix. As they say, over consumption can trigger "addiction-like" behavior, which can indeed get out of control.
Yes, both of these situations require the initial choice to consume the sugar/fat, but such is the same with drug addiction. I'm not making excuses, and I'm not equating the severity. However, our bodies can become addicted to all sorts of things, and those things don't have to ruin our lives to be serious.0 -
I totally understand. Some people do NOT understand because they do not have your issue. Its like depression. People that have never had it, just don't understand it. Its ok. They cannot be held accountable for things they have never experienced or understand. Don't pay any attention to the ones who are hatin.
There is a saying: It is better to remain quiet and be thought A fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt. :laugh:
Interesting that dissent (or even questioning a conclusion) is "hatin" in your eyes.
Perhaps you should have considered heeding the saying you provided.
Just a thought.0 -
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Oh really NO SUGAR at all, no fruit, no sweet potatoes, no bread etc.
I doubt this. :noway:
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Sorry, should have clarified, no added/refined sugars. I also eliminated white/bleached flour. I started with South Beach Phase 1. Complete 2 week detox and followed the next phases that slowly reintroduced the natural sugars in fruits, dairy, etc. .
Comparing one addiction to another is just dumb, not at all helpful but denying that sugar is physically addictive is just incorrect. Each person is different just like not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic. Some don't want it, some have a problem that needs to be managed but are not addicted and some are just plan addicted.
I thought this was a "motivation and support" topic. That's all I was/am trying to offer.0 -
I gave in and binged. Feel bad now. Tomorrow is a new day. Argh.
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Is 1800 net too much of a deficit?
Again I'll ask.
You might find yourself less likely to binge if you bump up your daily calories. Even though I'm in the middle of a fairly aggressive cut, bumping my net calories from 1971 to 2100 made a noticeable difference in my attitude/compliance/hunger/life.0 -
I have been back on track for a couple of days. So far, I have felt alright. Right now, I am craving pizza and chocolate chip cookies and if I don't get them soon I AM GOING TO TEAR OUT MY HAIR AND BECOME A SPITTING, RAVING LUNATIC. If I go near the stuff, I will binge. One cookie or one slice of pizza will not cut it. This is agony. I have done lost over 70 pounds in the past with MFP and I know the first two weeks are the hardest. I just forgot how hard.
Don't know how this thread devolved into yet another "sugar is addictive no it's not you owe all addicts an apology" thread as the OP never said he was addicted to anything.
OP, cravings can be beaten. If you are like me and know you can't control yourself when your trigger foods are near then get away from them ASAP! Throw them in the bin and moosh them up with the veggie scraps so you aren't tempted to pick them back out of the bin (yes, I've done this). Do whatever you have to to get through the first few weeks. If you start thinking about pizza and chocolate chip cookies then go for a run or do something that takes your mind off them until the cravings pass.0 -
Go eat healthy sugars.. like fruit or something. Here is a chart
http://www.dailytransformations.com/food-cravings-here-is-what-your-body-really-wants/0 -
I'm going through this as we speak right now as well lol It's terrible... I want to go to bulk barn and binge on candy so badly. I won't allow myself to, but man is it ever hard!
Stay strong brother! lol0 -
I gave in and binged. Feel bad now. Tomorrow is a new day. Argh.(
You be aright.0 -
Wow- this man just was looking for support and some individuals had to make it into a battle about what is an addiction and what is not. That's to too bad.0
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OP, tomorrow is another day. Nobody ever died from one day of indulging in pizza and cookies.
Personally, I've learned to have a decent amount of respect for both my desires and my limitations. I haven't removed anything from my diet, but whenever my brain says "if you get X, you'll binge" chances are that it's right so I'll avoid X on that day.
Very often, I will eat something that gives me a similar taste experience on that day (for instance, a grilled ham and cheese would be good for me for a pizza craving) and make sure to treat myself to the real deal on a day soon when I have the calories and all sides of my brain are on board with the idea.
Good luck. Also, try not to freak out so much. Anxiety sets you right up for a binge, emotionally.
The word "sugar" must never be uttered within the halls of MFP, lest it summon a demon from Hell.Wow- this man just was looking for support and some individuals had to make it into a battle about what is an addiction and what is not. That's to too bad.
It's not a very dangerous demon, it will mostly just chase its own tail to be honest, but it's still pretty annoying.0 -
Go eat healthy sugars.. like fruit or something. Here is a chart
http://www.dailytransformations.com/food-cravings-here-is-what-your-body-really-wants/
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I hate these addiction threads with the fire of a million suns.
A thousand times this. I will never be convinced that sugar is just as addictive as cocaine. You don't see people living on the street corner waiting for their next hit of a Snickers.0 -
I hate these addiction threads with the fire of a million suns.
A thousand times this. I will never be convinced that sugar is just as addictive as cocaine. You don't see people living on the street corner waiting for their next hit of a Snickers.
Maybe not a snickers but Nutella is a different story, ha!
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I hate these addiction threads with the fire of a million suns.
A thousand times this. I will never be convinced that sugar is just as addictive as cocaine. You don't see people living on the street corner waiting for their next hit of a Snickers.
Well, sugar is a lot cheaper than cocaine, so even if physiologically it is just as addictive, you're not going to see the same life impact. People end up on the street because a bump of coke costs more than a pound of sugar *shrugs* Chemical reaction and life impact are two very different things.0 -
I relate, I go up and down with my eating too. I exercise enough that if I could get my eating in line, I would have been at goal weight along time ago. Because I don't like to tell strangers what to do, I'll keep it about me.
The first issue I have is I don't log 100% of the time, for different reasons. It's usually because I have thrown the towel in on self control for the day, and I don't want to know how much I am eating. Taking the time to pause and log my food really helps me to evaluate if I really want to eat it.
Also, sometimes I wait too long to eat, and making something healthy seems equivalent to climbing Everest, but look! Chocolate Cake! Ready to eat! I would say this is actually the majority of my issue. Having yummy Progresso Soups on hand helps a lot. And not the diet ones, but the full calorie ones, with a microwaved sweet potato diced and thrown in. I like the Chicken Corn Chowder with a sweet potato, YUM.
Which brings me to my next point. Ultimately, I can be eating the most pristine diet, but if it doesn't satisfy me, it ain't working. I had a Rueben sandwich the other day that fit into my calories, and it was a spiritual experience. But I planned it out.
TLDR: I do the best when I log, plan my day out, make room for delicious food, and take it easy on myself. If stress is a trigger for me, it won't do me any favors to constantly belittle myself.0
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