Plant Based Diet
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Actually its not a baby chicken, its an unfertilized egg so basically the hens * ahem* period/ovulation.It has never been alive. If it was a baby chicken it would look like this: http://www.mrstyleking.com/best-most-delicious-most-bizarre-filipino-food-balut/
If you eat eggs then you are not a vegetarian.
I believe it's called lacto-ovo vegetarianism.
Call it what you want, I call it "I don't eat most animals, but I eat baby chickens".
No, just no, to that link.0 -
Great documentary. Went vegetarian four years ago and started with cutting out beef and pork and only ate organic chicken and turkey. It only took a couple of weeks and I felt amazing. After watching Food, Inc and paying way too much for poultry, cut it out altogether. A year ago, went completely vegan and I never looked backed. Get plenty of protein through plant based diet. I'm down 85 lbs since this time last year and running my first 10K next week. It's not for everyone obviously, but I think it really depends on the person. Try it for 30 days and see if you notice any difference in how you feel.0
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Hey man. Don't mind all of the smug and sarcastic idiots who are replying to your thread. Once people are stuck in their ways...well...let them figure it out. I see that you're asking an honest question and are interested in an honest answer. I'll take the science away from it because I want to base my reply off of my personal experince as opposed to this study or that study (which if you read in to it...plant based diet is more favorable for our health..) I'm vegetarian and I started as a "flexitarian" - meaning you can eat meat if you like, in moderation. I still eat eggs and dairy - as much as I want. If you have a tough time transitioning - try the flexitarian thing first. Make Monday, Weds, Friday "no meat" days. I can tell you, that TOFU is a fantastic soy based source of protein. You can also get plant based protein powders, eat legumes, eggs, dairy, etc for protein. I LIFT
HEAVY and have reduced my body fat percentage and accomplished nice gains as a vegetarian. It's a lifestyle choice and you can make it work. It IS HEALTHY when you mind your macros and make sure that you care getting adequate nutrition and vitamins etc. Iron and B-12 you may want to supplement in to your diet if you need to. The most important advice I can give regarding a vegetarian diet would be. Eliminate as much processed food as possible! Pizza...for example is loaded with bread, cheese, pasta sauce, and you can have it topped with veggies. That is technically a vegetarian pizza - doesn't make it healthy. Microwave burritos, lean pockets, canned soups etc... high sodium/processed in general. no bueno. Try and encorporate as much fresh produce in to your diet as possible and you will very quickly feel some amazing detoxifying effects in your body. If you have questions or need help etc. Don't be a stranger
yea, forget science who needs all that fact based stuff when we can just base everything of your personal experience...rollz eyez...
so you are vegetarian that eats meat??? Oh you are a flexitarian...I am an "everythingtairan" in that I eat all foods and demonize none...
so let me guess this straight..the people who follow "science" are "sarcastic idiots", and the person who says disregard science is the genius?????????????0 -
flexatarian.... oh you mean being an omnivore? That's nice, I'm an omnivore too.0
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Since sharing personal anecdotes is the in thing on this thread, here's mine
I went through quite a long phase of being vegan, and guess what, I got fatter. I blame this on two things. 1. the fact that in order to get enough protein, I had to eat a lot of carbs. Low protein high carb diets don't suit me. I'm the same if I eat way too much bread and cereal bars and not enough protein when I'm getting that protein from animals, so it's not just the vegan diet that has this effect on me. 2. vegan soft cheese. Like philadelphia, but made from tofu. But making it from tofu doesn't make it any healthier than philadelphia.
After starting a high protein diet, where I get most of the protein from meat, fish and dairy, I found it a lot easier to maintain a healthy weight. Additionally, when I included a significant amount of red meat, I felt even heavier. Also the inclusion of probiotic dairy makes me feel healthier than when I don't include that in my diet. My digestive system seems to like dairy a lot. (I'm descended from European dairy farmers so can digest lactose just fine). It seems that my body prefers to get quite a lot of protein and I have to be careful not to overeat on carbs. It's much much easier to do that while eating meat and fish than it would be on a vegan diet, in fact I'm not sure how I could get enough protein on a vegan diet (and I mean all 8 essential amino acids in sufficient quantities) without overeating on carbs in the process.
BTW I've nothing against the vegan diet as an ethical choice. It's this recent trend for pseudoscience claiming benefits of the vegan diet that either don't exist, are greatly exaggerated, or come from eating more vegetables not from cutting out animal products, and how they demonise animal protein. I mean for some people, "eat less animal protein" is probably good advice. Some people do eat too much of it. But "all animal protein is bad" errr... no.0 -
@Neandermagnon: Did you have a protein goal? Like grams/body weight or something like that? If so, was that based on a guideline or how it felt for you?
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Heres one.Since sharing personal anecdotes is the in thing on this thread, here's mine
I was listening to Jerry from BIOS3 talking about a vegan client that he had. The vegan client kept injuring his ankle and it would not heal. The vegan client went to the doctor(a specialist) and the doctor said that the tendon is not healing properly, what is your diet like? The client told the doctor he was vegan. The doctor shook his head and said "that is why your tendon is not healing, your missing something in your diet and if you keep going your tendon may never heal" After the doctor visit the vegan client went out an ate 4 hamburgers and just like that was not longer a vegan.0 -
Actually its not a baby chicken, its an unfertilized egg so basically the hens * ahem* period/ovulation.It has never been alive. If it was a baby chicken it would look like this: http://www.mrstyleking.com/best-most-delicious-most-bizarre-filipino-food-balut/
If you eat eggs then you are not a vegetarian.
I believe it's called lacto-ovo vegetarianism.
Call it what you want, I call it "I don't eat most animals, but I eat baby chickens".
Considering that most vegetarians don't eat meat because they want to avoid eating an animal that was treated cruelly and then killed for consumption, it is ironic that anyone who wants to be a vegetarian would choose to consume either dairy or eggs, since those are two of the cruelest ways animal products are harvested over a long period of time.
This is a feed lot. This is not where the cattle were raised. They are there for a short period of time before they are slaughtered. A vast majority of the beef in the U.S. is raised on a free range for 95% of their lives.0 -
Sorry everybody, I did not meen to start arguments about this topic! Just wanted a bit a feedback !0
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@Neandermagnon: Did you have a protein goal? Like grams/body weight or something like that? If so, was that based on a guideline or how it felt for you?
Thanks.
no, I just followed the dietary recommendations of the vegan society.... this was back in the day when phones didn't have apps to track nutrition. I feel hungry until I've eaten enough protein, but by the time I had eaten enough protein from beans, lentils and stuff I'm sure I'd massively overeaten on carbs because those foods contain a lot of carbs along with the protein.
I'm sure it's possible to hit 40/30/30 macros on a vegan diet with really careful planning and the inclusion of vegan protein powders (which I also didn't have at the time). But as I'm not ethically opposed to eating meat, I don't see the point. I do believe that agriculture should be sustainable and animals should be treated kindly when alive and killed in the nicest way possible, and preferentially buy free range eggs, meat etc. But I don't see how it would benefit my health to give up meat products. Most of the meat I eat is fresh or frozen no ingredients on the pack kind of meat (i.e. just meat in there nothing else). Yes I indulge in the occasional DQ or McDs because I'm not a food puritan and I enjoy those things, but that's far from every day. And I eat lots of vegetables and get all the nutrients I need. Another thing, I had anaemia as a result of both my pregnancies, and eating red meat fixed that pretty quickly, even though I was breastfeeding (so my nutritional requirements were higher because of that).0 -
I think if you want to do it, do it at your pace. You can either go cold turkey OR just start eliminating it meal by meal until you're comfortable. Eating a plant based diet is definitely beneficial in my opinion, but I don't exclude animal protein as of now. I believe that the meat we eat now are definitely more hazardous than just a few generations ago. Most of the meat we eat has been factory farmed, injected with all kinds of crap that gets consumed by us. BUT plants can also be genetically modified and hosed with pesticides. So now I don't get caught up in either side, I enjoy what I want, try to make the best decisions based on what my body needs, and go from there. Some days I eat only plants, some days I eat chicken and fish, some days I eat lots of junk, but the key is to do what is best for YOU!0
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Sorry everybody, I did not meen to start arguments about this topic! Just wanted a bit a feedback !
it's nothing you did... this topic ALWAYS ends in a bun fight on here.... just like paleo threads do as well. And paleo v vegan...?? ......sit back and watch the fireworks!
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Actually its not a baby chicken, its an unfertilized egg so basically the hens * ahem* period/ovulation.It has never been alive. If it was a baby chicken it would look like this: http://www.mrstyleking.com/best-most-delicious-most-bizarre-filipino-food-balut/
If you eat eggs then you are not a vegetarian.
I believe it's called lacto-ovo vegetarianism.
Call it what you want, I call it "I don't eat most animals, but I eat baby chickens".
Considering that most vegetarians don't eat meat because they want to avoid eating an animal that was treated cruelly and then killed for consumption, it is ironic that anyone who wants to be a vegetarian would choose to consume either dairy or eggs, since those are two of the cruelest ways animal products are harvested over a long period of time.
This is a feed lot. This is not where the cattle were raised. They are there for a short period of time before they are slaughtered. A vast majority of the beef in the U.S. is raised on a free range for 95% of their lives.
No, this is a freestall barn. This is where the dairy cattle spend 90% of their time. The only time they leave this area is when they walk up a concrete path to a milking parlor, get milked, and then return to the freestall barn.
And the vast majority of the beef steers and heifers in the U.S. are raised in small concrete stockyards where their food source is carefully controlled. Then they are "grained out" for the last few weeks to marble the meat and slaughtered.0 -
Maybe i am biased because i grew up on a ranch and we butchered our own meat, but if you want to eat a healthier meat than what you would buy at walmart (because they do actually inject a whole bunch of dyes etc... into their meat-raw meat directly from the cow is not usually bright red) get to know your local ranchers and farmers. and buy your meat from an actual butcher shop instead of the grocery store. The butcher shop should be able to tell you if the meat is local and or range fed etc... I haven't bought beef at a store for years, and there is definitely a different taste for store bought beef vs. butcher shop beef or home butchered beef. I know some people who will buy it directly from a rancher (usually they do this as a group and then each get a half/quarter whatever). If you do this you can see exactly how the cows are raised usually. Humans have eaten meat for thousands of years, but the less stops you have between the animal and your table the better.0
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Maybe i am biased because i grew up on a ranch and we butchered our own meat, but if you want to eat a healthier meat than what you would buy at walmart (because they do actually inject a whole bunch of dyes etc... into their meat-raw meat directly from the cow is not usually bright red) get to know your local ranchers and farmers. and buy your meat from an actual butcher shop instead of the grocery store. The butcher shop should be able to tell you if the meat is local and or range fed etc... I haven't bought beef at a store for years, and there is definitely a different taste for store bought beef vs. butcher shop beef or home butchered beef. I know some people who will buy it directly from a rancher (usually they do this as a group and then each get a half/quarter whatever). If you do this you can see exactly how the cows are raised usually. Humans have eaten meat for thousands of years, but the less stops you have between the animal and your table the better.
I agree with the flavor part of this post.
In my opinion, "barely dead" meat tastes better than grocery store meat. For that reason alone, I wish I could get my hands on more of it, but it's just not practical for me.0 -
I just finish watching ,"Forks over Knives" and I must say , lots of interesting things on there, especially the part on Protein!! All meat protein are bad for you! Even chicken and turkey , according to the show. My question is,are there anybody on here on this Plant base diet? And how did you lean off all meat ?
You can't just blatantly believe every television show you see. Humans have been consuming meat protein since they first appeared on Earth. If you want proof that we are supposed to be carnivores, just look at our teeth. They are designed for biting, tearing, and chewing meat as well as plants.
Oh I dont believe every show I watch lol. Thats why I ask if anybody is eating like this, just wanted some feedback ! But some stuff you do see is a bit scary to what they do too animals on farms and stuff!!
As many others have stated, we are omnivores and meant to eat plants and animals. Don't get the grocery store meat. YUCK.
Source out locally grown and raised animals that are humanely slaughtered and buy directly from the farmer. You will be telling the large corporations that you don't like the CAFO (factory farming system), helping your local farmer and economy and you will be feeding you and your family wholesome, real food.
If it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.0 -
I just finish watching ,"Forks over Knives" and I must say , lots of interesting things on there, especially the part on Protein!! All meat protein are bad for you! Even chicken and turkey , according to the show. My question is,are there anybody on here on this Plant base diet? And how did you lean off all meat ?
You can't just blatantly believe every television show you see. Humans have been consuming meat protein since they first appeared on Earth. If you want proof that we are supposed to be carnivores, just look at our teeth. They are designed for biting, tearing, and chewing meat as well as plants.
Oh I dont believe every show I watch lol. Thats why I ask if anybody is eating like this, just wanted some feedback ! But some stuff you do see is a bit scary to what they do too animals on farms and stuff!!
As many others have stated, we are omnivores and meant to eat plants and animals. Don't get the grocery store meat. YUCK.
Source out locally grown and raised animals that are humanely slaughtered and buy directly from the farmer. You will be telling the large corporations that you don't like the CAFO (factory farming system), helping your local farmer and economy and you will be feeding you and your family wholesome, real food.
If it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.
Grocery store meat is also safe to eat.
Grocery store EMPLOYEES have faces and mothers. NOT safe to eat.
Potatoes, carrots, beets, radishes, onions etc. grow under the ground. MUCH safer to eat than grocery store owners.0 -
I just finish watching ,"Forks over Knives" and I must say , lots of interesting things on there, especially the part on Protein!! All meat protein are bad for you! Even chicken and turkey , according to the show. My question is,are there anybody on here on this Plant base diet? And how did you lean off all meat ?
You can't just blatantly believe every television show you see. Humans have been consuming meat protein since they first appeared on Earth. If you want proof that we are supposed to be carnivores, just look at our teeth. They are designed for biting, tearing, and chewing meat as well as plants.
Oh I dont believe every show I watch lol. Thats why I ask if anybody is eating like this, just wanted some feedback ! But some stuff you do see is a bit scary to what they do too animals on farms and stuff!!
As many others have stated, we are omnivores and meant to eat plants and animals. Don't get the grocery store meat. YUCK.
Source out locally grown and raised animals that are humanely slaughtered and buy directly from the farmer. You will be telling the large corporations that you don't like the CAFO (factory farming system), helping your local farmer and economy and you will be feeding you and your family wholesome, real food.
If it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.
Grocery store meat is also safe to eat.
Grocery store EMPLOYEES have faces and mothers. NOT safe to eat.
Potatoes, carrots, beets, radishes, onions etc. grow under the ground. MUCH safer to eat than grocery store owners.
Not to mention multiple plants that are toxic for human consumption - not safe to eat.
and if it has a face and a mother, you should make sure mother is not around before you attempt to eat it, or you may become the eaten.0 -
I just finish watching ,"Forks over Knives" and I must say , lots of interesting things on there, especially the part on Protein!! All meat protein are bad for you! Even chicken and turkey , according to the show. My question is,are there anybody on here on this Plant base diet? And how did you lean off all meat ?
You can't just blatantly believe every television show you see. Humans have been consuming meat protein since they first appeared on Earth. If you want proof that we are supposed to be carnivores, just look at our teeth. They are designed for biting, tearing, and chewing meat as well as plants.
Oh I dont believe every show I watch lol. Thats why I ask if anybody is eating like this, just wanted some feedback ! But some stuff you do see is a bit scary to what they do too animals on farms and stuff!!
As many others have stated, we are omnivores and meant to eat plants and animals. Don't get the grocery store meat. YUCK.
Source out locally grown and raised animals that are humanely slaughtered and buy directly from the farmer. You will be telling the large corporations that you don't like the CAFO (factory farming system), helping your local farmer and economy and you will be feeding you and your family wholesome, real food.
If it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.
Grocery store meat is also safe to eat.
Grocery store EMPLOYEES have faces and mothers. NOT safe to eat.
Potatoes, carrots, beets, radishes, onions etc. grow under the ground. MUCH safer to eat than grocery store owners.
Not to mention multiple plants that are toxic for human consumption - not safe to eat.
and if it has a face and a mother, you should make sure mother is not around before you attempt to eat it, or you may become the eaten.
True...
You know what? This is all getting too confusing!
I think I'm just going to stick to eating the food I like in moderation and leave the rules, people-eating and unsafe plant eating to others.0 -
Here, have some deadly nightshade berries with your polar bear liver.
If it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.
Where do people come up with this stuff? Think before you just parrot stupid statements from your religion.0 -
Those types of shows on Netflix are great for entertainment purposes but I've yet to see one that uses credible scientific studies to back them up (except The China Study - they love that even though it's been highly discredited for lack of control measures).
The China Study -- on which "Forks Over Knives" is entirely based -- wasn't just debunked by "lack of control measures"; their own data actually says the *opposite* of what they claim. There's a thorough critique and takedown here: http://www.westonaprice.org/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/the-china-study-myth
Bad science is bad.0 -
Oh pick me pick meIf it has a face and had a mother - safe to eat
If it grows in the ground or on a tree and I can pick it and eat it - safe to eat.
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That movie is amazing. After watching it, i thought it was BS, but i decided to research a little more, and give it a shot. After only a short while, i realized that eating plants made me feel amazing! My cycling speed increased, my stamina increased, and i just felt awesome.
I think the key is just to start trying out new recipes. Find some whole foods, plant based recipes all over the internet. Start swapping out your usual foods for some plant based meals. As you try out new recipes, they wont always be something you like, but many will be recipes you'll want to keep. Once you develop a good amount of plant based recipes that you enjoy eating, and make you feel great, you will just gravitate towards those foods.
Start simple, just add some fruit to your break fast, and add a big ol' salad of greens to your dinner.0 -
I personally have no problem eating a plant based diet for months at a time and meeting all my nutritional needs. I found it effortless to stop eating meat. The only challenging part is all the extra cooking I have to do. I have amazing recipes but sometimes I get lazy and rely on dairy or eggs for my protein. Also, I love all the different cheeses!!!
Fork over Knives is based on the China study, which does not prove that meat is bad for you. It might show a correlation over time, and it may be a valuable tool combined with other studies in the future, but like others have said, it is just not reliable.
The funny thing is, I own at least six good books on the topic and the China Study is the only reference regarding health benefits. Makes me think it's the best they've got:)0 -
Lack of control measures??!!??! Hmmmmmmmmmm like what? Does that "debunk" the data?
I don't think most people understand what that WOULD have meant for the data in that documentary.
Most people don't know how to evaluate a project like that and draw reasonable conclusions. "Debunked" is such a terrible word.
That study, the book about, the documentaries that reference it, the people that did - this is fairly typical of "science" and "data".
AND what we are doing in this thread is some version of what makes Carl Sagan admirable and exceptional.0 -
I eat plant-based – started out of my love for animals but the nutritional benefits are definitely a bonus. I have never been or felt healthier.0
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cliffdc said:That study, the book about, the documentaries that reference it, the people that did - this is fairly typical of "science" and "data".
Half the data was fabricated and the rest shows the opposite of what they claimed. The quality of the China Study is not at all "typical of science." At least, not typical of peer-reviewed science, which is why it was self-published rather than appearing in any respected journal. What's typical is that the entire "study" was debunked -- science is self-correcting, given enough time.
It's just a shame that "Forks Over Knives" was released to the masses who will never read a scientific study in their lives, and so spend their lives believing a lie. (Not that I'm against vegetarianism. It's just that if your reasons for it come from "Forks Over Knives" you should seriously reevaluate.)
http://www.westonaprice.org/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/the-china-study-myth0 -
There is so much advice and much of it is polar opposite of other advice. If I were to follow it all, I'd explode.0
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No, evaluate the evidence critically and go with that. Throw away the junk, like "Forks over knives".There is so much advice and much of it is polar opposite of other advice. If I were to follow it all, I'd explode.0 -
There are many people who have eaten plant based only for many years, and are very healthy. (Google Michael Arnstein, or Doug Graham, or Caldwell Esselstyn, or Rip Esselstyn, or Brendan Brazier, or Ruth Heidrich)Sorry everybody, I did not meen to start arguments about this topic! Just wanted a bit a feedback !
The people to listen to are those who have actually made the leap. I ate meat for 30+ years. I know what it feels like to try and exercise on what society considers a "healthy" diet. I used to eat steamed veggies for dinner, with lean chicken breast, and a little brown rice, and was a lot slower in my workouts, and a lot slower to recover. I think more clearly now. Load up on the fruit and salad. Eat all the homemade veggie soup you want. You will feel great, and that is coming from someone who has actually tried both ways of eating.0
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