Lost 80 lbs and never counted calories!
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There is nothing good about "natural" so who cares?I see a lot of people on this site talk about counting calories. Honestly, I've managed to lose a good chunk of weight and drop 2 or 3 shirt sizes and I never counted calories or weighed my food. I portion according to judging by the eye. I feel like counting calories is complicated and to be honest is not a natural way to eat and live. I can see the mathematical ideology behind it and it does work for a good amount of people. However, if you are one of those people who rather judge it by eye, use common sense. Don't eat until you are full. Eat half a plate serving and drink water or tea. Fill up on veggies with minimal dressing, fruits, and a healthy balance of protein and smart low carb choices. Exercising at least three times a week along with walking and other physical activities will drop the weight.
Any questions on how I've done this, feel free to inbox me.0 -
Fair enough, OP, but let's see you reach your goal weight/healthy weight without doing so...0
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Exactly. It's fine to say something like: "If calories counting works for you, great. If it doesn't here's a possible alternative. It may or may not work for you but it worked for me."Speaking for myself, the reason people are reading an anti-calorie-counting message, and not just a desire for fellow travelers and motivational stories into your posts is that you are using terms like stressful and unnatural and unrealistic and training wheels.
But for some reason, a lot of people go into evangelization mode when they find what works for them and think they are supposed to go forth and spread the new gospel of weight loss.0 -
OP.. Its a bit like going onto a fertility site and telling people they dont need to track their cycles to get pregnant..cause you didn't and got pregnant anyway..
Most of us here track..because we want to. It works and we like it. Like WW or any other of a number of methods. Bottom line is.. what we were doing, made us bigger/unhealthier . This makes us thinner and healthier. And frankly not everyone is capable of being moderate all the time without a guideline to stick to. Those that are.. perhaps aren't on mfp. Perhaps they don't struggle with portion control or know how much a 'serve' is without having to weigh it.
I agree in theory with what you are saying. But the delivery and the placement of said information.. not so much.
Good luck with your continued loss.0 -
I feel you brother.
I'm all for people finding what works for them. But I use to calorie count back in the day; hated it. Loathe having that kind of relationship with food, and it did not help me keep any weight off.
Human beings were losing weight for thousands of years before the calorie was discovered. Obviously it's possible.
Check the ticker. All that weight was shifted off me without any logging, weighing, or calorie counting.
I've never had a better relationship with food than I have now. It's a real blessing.0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
The most supportive thing anyone has said in this thread. Thank you for understanding the context of my post. Also, thank you to the others who also acknowledged my point and congratulated me. I was able to break my weight barrier by joining this website and learning from you guys. Seems to be more negative people on here than I thought. To the poster that said I have a lot of weight to lose and that I'm still a young guy....Go Figure!!! That is why I am here! And I am proud of my youth and wouldn't trade it for the world. Enjoying life.0 -
I feel you brother.
I'm all for people finding what works for them. But I use to calorie count back in the day; hated it. Loathe having that kind of relationship with food, and it did not help me keep any weight off.
Human beings were losing weight for thousands of years before the calorie was discovered. Obviously it's possible.
Check the ticker. All that weight was shifted off me without any logging, weighing, or calorie counting.
I've never had a better relationship with food than I have now. It's a real blessing.
Preach man. Preach!!! Counting calories feels like a math test to me more than just eating to live and have fun. Congrats on that 130 lbs. It can be done and you are living proof. How long have you been on your journey?0 -
I'm sorry, but how exactly are you expecting to find people who've lost weight without counting calories in a calorie count app forum?As said earlier, I'm trying to connect with people who've lost weight without calorie counting. IF THIS IS YOU, PLEASE SHARE YOUR STORY
I'm not criticizing your method to lose weight, I just don't get the logic behind your post. It's like going to McDonnald's and ask if there are any people there not eating their food.
Bad analogy.
Not everyone here is actively calorie counting. I know, because I've met them.
I arrived at this site doing a random google search on weight loss topics. Didn't even know it was a calorie counting site until days after I found it. But there is more than enough material on the forums not related to calorie counting to keep my attentions. I don't even use the MFP app.
I've met people on here who calorie counted in the past, but moved on to intuitive eating.
I've found people who use the MFP just track exercise, one woman only tracks her water intake. There are ways to use the tool without logging and counting.
You'd be surprised how many other non-calorie counters are around here.0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site".
In my experience a lot of people on this site seem threatened/angry/annoyed/upset about people taking any road that's outside of the "norm" for MFPers. It's not just calorie counting that yields vehemence and snark.0 -
Thowing in my 2 cents here. My story is pretty similar to the OP. I've lost more than my ticker indicates. At one point I was 365. When you're that heavy even little changes get big results. You stop drinking sugary sodas and you lose 20lbs. That sort of thing. At 290lbs I got a little more focused and basically started eating what could be called mostly "clean." I didn't count a thing. This worked great until I got to around 230lbs in 7ish months. I just found a balance. Even eating only chicken, fish, veggies, and some dairy I just found my maintenance. I took a break from that style of eating and decided to maintain. I gained back almost 10lbs in water right away and a few more figuring out how much "bad" stuff I could eat without gaining again. I can pretty much maintain at 245lbs and eat whatever I want. My original goal was to get as close to 200lbs as I could though so I started back with the mindset I needed to count calories. I still try to eat semi "clean" which makes it easy to fit in "bad" foods. Also, yes I know, there's no such thing as "clean" and "bad" but you know what I mean. Anyways, moral of the story, don't be surprised if your progress stalls but don't get discouraged either. Just adjust.
Very good point. You will experience stalls in any weight loss plan. You just have to learn how to adjust. My goal is to get to 200, which is 20 lbs below what I indicated in my ticker. For the record, I do count my exercise calories, but as far as food intake, not really necessary at this point in time. I create deficits in my diet by three days of elliptical workouts and walking. It does work and I've shown and proved. Your diet is 80% of your weight loss, gain, or maintenance. If you've been doing it for a while, I would hope you know which foods affect your body and how much you ate in accordance with your work out routine to gain, lose, or stay the same. This is how I am able to "eyeball" my food portions.0 -
I agree, to a point.
There are plenty of people out there who have never counted calories, who have maintained a natural, healthy weight, and have not suffered any ill effects from not counting calories, because for most, counting calories comes with needing to lose weight.
It is useful for those who have goals, but I certainly agree that it is not a natural way to live, not at all.
Unfortunately, we live in a society now, that is full of unnatural foods and unnatural levels of inactivity.0 -
Figure I share this article that shows the Pros and Cons of calorie counting. Again, this is not to bash, but MFP is mentioned in it. Do what works for you.
http://mymindcoach.com.au/calorie-counting-for-weight-loss-pros-and-cons/0 -
For some of us, the logging allows us NOT to stress about food.I believe that counting calories can work for some things, but to base it on everything you eat is stressful and unrealistic.
If I wasn't tracking my food, I'd always be wondering "hmm, can I fit in one more snack?" To which the answer would probably be "yes" because I couldn't look at my log and see "oh, no, I can't really fit one more snack". Either that or I'd get scared of eating too much and end up under-eating. If I can't actually measure and find the line between deficit/maintenance/surplus...then how do I know where the line is? For some of us "listening to our bodies" is how we got fat to begin with...we need some other tool.
It also means that I can eat high calorie sweet treats without any guilt, because tracking it allows me to see that I totally have room for it and will still be in a deficit even if I eat half that pint of ice cream. Guilt free indulgence is a gift for those of us who have associated treats with being "bad" for most of our lives.
If you can do this without tracking, more power to you, but for me the 5 minutes it takes a few times a day to log my meal and keep an eye on my macros gives me peace of mind. I don't have to wonder if I'm eating the right amount, I can see it documented and feel confident...and that reduces the stress I feel regarding my diet.0 -
For some of us, the logging allows us NOT to stress about food.I believe that counting calories can work for some things, but to base it on everything you eat is stressful and unrealistic.
If I wasn't tracking my food, I'd always be wondering "hmm, can I fit in one more snack?" To which the answer would probably be "yes" because I couldn't look at my log and see "oh, no, I can't really fit one more snack". Either that or I'd get scared of eating too much and end up under-eating. If I can't actually measure and find the line between deficit/maintenance/surplus...then how do I know where the line is? For some of us "listening to our bodies" is how we got fat to begin with...we need some other tool.
It also means that I can eat high calorie sweet treats without any guilt, because tracking it allows me to see that I totally have room for it and will still be in a deficit even if I eat half that pint of ice cream. Guilt free indulgence is a gift for those of us who have associated treats with being "bad" for most of our lives.
If you can do this without tracking, more power to you, but for me the 5 minutes it takes a few times a day to log my meal and keep an eye on my macros gives me peace of mind. I don't have to wonder if I'm eating the right amount, I can see it documented and feel confident...and that reduces the stress I feel regarding my diet.
If you eat correctly during the week, and workout (weekends included), having an ice cream sundae with 3 scoops and a little bit of fudge chocolate is plenty of indulging without guilt. Being aware of your deficit if you eat consistently is not very difficult. If you had a bacon burger today, and can't fit in a suitable workout until Saturday, don't eat two cookies and pack of king size Reese's cups in between time. Everybody's schedule works differently but for me, I rather eat consistently clean for 4, 5 days then eat a reasonable cheat meal or dessert on the weekend (still working out before hand). I average 1-2 lbs a week loss.0 -
It's great that it worked for you OP, but do you know what? I gained about 43 lbs over a little less than 3.5 years.
I did the math, and it equates to me eating about 140 calories too many each day to add a small amount of weight each month. That's a very small amount of food.
It was such a small amount of calories, it was almost unnoticeable, until I was maybe 30 lbs overweight.
It wasn't until my size 8 pants didn't fit and I saw a photograph of myself that I realized I had to get my eating under control (I walked 3-6 miles every day while I was gaining weight, it made no difference)
I even saw a nutritionist and did a food diary with her for 6 months and she said I was eating perfectly well. I wasn't losing any weight, though.
So, it's good that not counting calories works for you, but to determine where those extra 140 calories were coming from that made me gain, I have to use a food diary to detect exactly where I'm doing the overeating.
Fortunately over the last 3 months I have been successfully doing this, and I've lost 10 lbs! Yay!
If anybody would like more information of how I am doing this successfully, feel free to PM me 0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
The most supportive thing anyone has said in this thread. Thank you for understanding the context of my post. Also, thank you to the others who also acknowledged my point and congratulated me. I was able to break my weight barrier by joining this website and learning from you guys. Seems to be more negative people on here than I thought. To the poster that said I have a lot of weight to lose and that I'm still a young guy....Go Figure!!! That is why I am here! And I am proud of my youth and wouldn't trade it for the world. Enjoying life.
I'm the one who said you're a young guy with alot to lose and that's why your plan is working--you don't get it at all. As you get older this won't work. It's easier to lose when you're younger. In 20 years I'd like to see you on this plan of yours. However, I don't want you to fail, and I don't think anyone on MFP wants that. All of the negative comments are from people that have seen it before. They are just trying to inform you to be careful as you get closer to goal so you won't stall. I think that's nice even if you don't.0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
The most supportive thing anyone has said in this thread. Thank you for understanding the context of my post. Also, thank you to the others who also acknowledged my point and congratulated me. I was able to break my weight barrier by joining this website and learning from you guys. Seems to be more negative people on here than I thought. To the poster that said I have a lot of weight to lose and that I'm still a young guy....Go Figure!!! That is why I am here! And I am proud of my youth and wouldn't trade it for the world. Enjoying life.
I'm the one who said you're a young guy with alot to lose and that's why your plan is working--you don't get it at all. As you get older this won't work. It's easier to lose when you're younger. In 20 years I'd like to see you on this plan of yours. However, I don't want you to fail, and I don't think anyone on MFP wants that. All of the negative comments are from people that have seen it before. They are just trying to inform you to be careful as you get closer to goal so you won't stall. I think that's nice even if you don't.
Yes it is easier to lose weight when being a young adult. I agree. By establishing these healthy habits now, in 20 years (lord willing), I should be one of those healthy fit older men. Aging shouldn't be acquainted with being fat and out of shape. Yes, weight gain is inevitable but it doesn't have to be a major weight gain. Looking at BMI and Weight Charts for men, a man in his 40s and 50s shouldn't be significantly heavier than when he was in his 20s and 30s. Us Americans like to use age as a crutch to get lazy and out of shape, and then blame age when we criticized. I don't feel like I'm setting myself up for failure b/c I have forums like this where I am learning so much about nutrition and exercise. I'm sure if I knew this years ago, I would not be on here worrying about weight loss. I gotta start somewhere.0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
The most supportive thing anyone has said in this thread. Thank you for understanding the context of my post. Also, thank you to the others who also acknowledged my point and congratulated me. I was able to break my weight barrier by joining this website and learning from you guys. Seems to be more negative people on here than I thought. To the poster that said I have a lot of weight to lose and that I'm still a young guy....Go Figure!!! That is why I am here! And I am proud of my youth and wouldn't trade it for the world. Enjoying life.
I'm the one who said you're a young guy with alot to lose and that's why your plan is working--you don't get it at all. As you get older this won't work. It's easier to lose when you're younger. In 20 years I'd like to see you on this plan of yours. However, I don't want you to fail, and I don't think anyone on MFP wants that. All of the negative comments are from people that have seen it before. They are just trying to inform you to be careful as you get closer to goal so you won't stall. I think that's nice even if you don't.
Yes it is easier to lose weight when being a young adult. I agree. By establishing these healthy habits now, in 20 years (lord willing), I should be one of those healthy fit older men. Aging shouldn't be acquainted with being fat and out of shape. Yes, weight gain is inevitable but it doesn't have to be a major weight gain. Looking at BMI and Weight Charts for men, a man in his 40s and 50s shouldn't be significantly heavier than when he was in his 20s and 30s. Us Americans like to use age as a crutch to get lazy and out of shape, and then blame age when we criticized. I don't feel like I'm setting myself up for failure b/c I have forums like this where I am learning so much about nutrition and exercise. I'm sure if I knew this years ago, I would not be on here worrying about weight loss. I gotta start somewhere.
Exactly---and I commend you. I really don't want to rain on your parade, but I will share something I've learned after a year on this site. Not counting calories means not hitting your macros. Yes, you will lose weight not counting, but macros insure that you get enough fat, protein, etc. Why is this important? Because you can risk being "skinny fat" at goal--alot of loose skin, wrinkles etc. Hitting macros help with this problem. I have been swimming for 18 years and have lost weight before. I've noticed this time with calorie counting that my body is different--sculptured, if you will. I started thinking about it and attribute it to my hitting my macros. Now you may think this is no big deal, but I am 59 yrs old, and at my age this is a real plus. I would think that as you lose weight you would be even more interested in this aspect. After all that work you'll want a nice body. I really wish you all the best, and I've learned so much from the nasty people on here--probably because they write in a way you'll remember.0 -
If I eat correctly during the week?
For some of us, the logging allows us NOT to stress about food.I believe that counting calories can work for some things, but to base it on everything you eat is stressful and unrealistic.
If I wasn't tracking my food, I'd always be wondering "hmm, can I fit in one more snack?" To which the answer would probably be "yes" because I couldn't look at my log and see "oh, no, I can't really fit one more snack". Either that or I'd get scared of eating too much and end up under-eating. If I can't actually measure and find the line between deficit/maintenance/surplus...then how do I know where the line is? For some of us "listening to our bodies" is how we got fat to begin with...we need some other tool.
It also means that I can eat high calorie sweet treats without any guilt, because tracking it allows me to see that I totally have room for it and will still be in a deficit even if I eat half that pint of ice cream. Guilt free indulgence is a gift for those of us who have associated treats with being "bad" for most of our lives.
If you can do this without tracking, more power to you, but for me the 5 minutes it takes a few times a day to log my meal and keep an eye on my macros gives me peace of mind. I don't have to wonder if I'm eating the right amount, I can see it documented and feel confident...and that reduces the stress I feel regarding my diet.
If you eat correctly during the week, and workout (weekends included), having an ice cream sundae with 3 scoops and a little bit of fudge chocolate is plenty of indulging without guilt. Being aware of your deficit if you eat consistently is not very difficult. If you had a bacon burger today, and can't fit in a suitable workout until Saturday, don't eat two cookies and pack of king size Reese's cups in between time. Everybody's schedule works differently but for me, I rather eat consistently clean for 4, 5 days then eat a reasonable cheat meal or dessert on the weekend (still working out before hand). I average 1-2 lbs a week loss.
So what you are saying is that I should be mentally keeping track of everything I eat and my activity level and hoping that I don't forget anything in order to make sure I'm at a deficit, I hope, each week? And then I should trust my intuition/memory to know if I can have some high calorie treat, instead of having the documentation and confidence to be sure it fits? If I'm not keeping track, how do I know if I can even have that apple with yogurt tonight, and do I have room for some granola on that? At 200-300 calories, that's not unhealthy or indulgent, but, it could cut my deficit in half if I'm already at my goal for the day...which I wouldn't know if I wasn't logging it all.
How exactly is all that mental keeping track better than actually writing it down and not having to worry about it? I don't have a regular schedule where I eat my meals at a specific time and only eat at those times, and only eat a specific kind of thing in specific amounts at specific times...nor do I want a schedule like that. If every day is different...well, I just can't (and don't want to) spend so much mental energy thinking about how much I've eaten. I can write it down and forget it. You seem to look down on logging because it's stressful and obsessive...for some if us, logging it all allows us NOT to stress and obsess.
As I said, IF IT WORKS FOR YOU, that's awesome. I'm glad you've found a sustainable method that works for you, and I hope it keeps working that way even as you approach your goal and a couple hundred calories a day starts to make a difference...but the tone you are taking with those of us who are pro-logging is condescending. Please stop insisting that a method that is working for so many people is unnecessary, just because it's unnecessary for you. I would hate for a newbie to become discouraged because they read something that makes them feel like logging is too stressful, too obsessive and they should be better than that and not need it.0 -
I see a lot of people on this site talk about counting calories.
LOL maybe because this is a calorie counting site!! wowz ….0 -
I have no doubt it can work. Not everyone counts calories and manages to lose weight. Essentially, you've cut your calories by not eating so much (although this statement is obvious).
The issues for me
-you could undereat and then end up scratching your head as to why things aren't going as planned (or you end up suffering malnutrition)
-you could eat too little protein resulting in LBM loss
-you could still be eating too much thinking that "healthy food = weight loss"
That said, I am semi-transferring over to not counting but ensuring I eat a lot of meat/dairy as I have a vague feel for how much meat equates to my 150g of protein a day whilst hovering around the 2500 kcal mark.
For me that equates to:
-2 main meals containing a small portion of carbs (1 palmful), a reasonable portion of veg (1-2 palmfuls) and two servings of meat eg 2-3 drumsticks or 2-3 palmfuls.
-50g of oats with honey in the morning
-couple of slices of cheddar cheese
-an extra palmful of meat
-100g of natural yoghurt.
I have found this to equate to about 140g of protein and about 2000kcals so throw in a bar of chocolate and a packet of crisps. :-D
But it's only through using MFP that I've got a feel for what's what.
You bring up some valid points. I believe that counting calories can work for some things, but to base it on everything you eat is stressful and unrealistic. Eating less (even when eating healthy) is something I've found to work while not counting calories. Eating right so you can stay full is what really counts. Thinking about your next meal shortly after eating your current meal is a set up for failure. I retrained my brain to think of food as a way to bring nutrients to my body for normal functioning, rather than to indulge for past time and taste purposes. With that mentality, I was able to break my lowest recorded weight in my adulthood of 268 lbs in Nov. 2011 to 246 lbs this year. Took me 2.5 years to get back on track and break that barrier. The key to maintaining a healthy eating lifestyle is to experiment, and that may include gain (unfortunately). But sometimes it takes a gain to lose. Oh the irony....
yet, so many of us have had success consistently logging our calories….not sure how we are setting ourselves up for failure…
oh, and I am not stressed out or unrealistic in my goals…
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Just to give an advantage of calorie counting versus non-counting
calorie counting: hmm, I feel like eating some ice cream this evening... let's check my food diary... hmm, 200 cals under goal. *looks at ice cream tub* *works out how many grams of ice cream = 200 cals* *measures and eats ice cream* *logs ice cream in diary, meets calorie goal* *continues to lose weight at the desired rate*
non-calorie counting: hmm, I feel like eating some ice cream this evening... but I've eaten quite a lot of food today, and I don't feel that hungry, it's probably not a good idea to eat any ice cream right now. *ice cream stays in the freezer* *weight loss still happens but it's harder to sustain long term due to feeling deprived of ice cream and other yummy things*
this is why calorie counting > not calorie counting
Added to that: "Oh screw it, I'll eat it anyway." *eats* *guilt* *guilt* *guilt* *angry at self* *cry* *eat more* *angry* *cry* (for many people)
don't forget the obligatory post "binge thread" to MFP as well...0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
why does support on MFP always equate to blind devotion to what the OP is posting?0 -
Eh I don't feel threatened. A lot of people lose weight without counting calories (I mean, MFP and other apps are not that old).
I also know I lost weight before MFP... and gained more back. News flash people - we're all different! I'm sure the healthiest way to lose weight is to eat meat, fruit and veggies, with maybe oatmeal for breakfast and some rice, potatoes or pasta once in a while. I probably wouldn't have to count calories if I filled up on those. But *I* can't. I love 'fattening' food. I know by experience that any diet (in the 'food you eat' meaning of the term) that restricts me too much will fail because I won't be able to sustain it long term.
The reason counting calories has worked for me is that I can still have treats, without guilt. I would never be able to do that if I wasn't counting calories... I'd either restrict myself too much and binge or give up like in the past, or eat too much of my treats ('one won't hurt') and gain weight - oh wait I've done that too. But everyone doesn't have my unhealthy relationship with food. At least with calorie counting I can keep it in check. Some people don't need that... good for them... although if their relationship with food is so healthy, I still wonder how they got overweight in the first place.
That being said, I'd love to hear from people who have reached their healthy goal weight and maintained it for 2+ years without counting calories. I know there are some out there.. but I'm quite sure there's a reason so many people gain the weight back.0 -
Just to give an advantage of calorie counting versus non-counting
calorie counting: hmm, I feel like eating some ice cream this evening... let's check my food diary... hmm, 200 cals under goal. *looks at ice cream tub* *works out how many grams of ice cream = 200 cals* *measures and eats ice cream* *logs ice cream in diary, meets calorie goal* *continues to lose weight at the desired rate*
non-calorie counting: hmm, I feel like eating some ice cream this evening... but I've eaten quite a lot of food today, and I don't feel that hungry, it's probably not a good idea to eat any ice cream right now. *ice cream stays in the freezer* *weight loss still happens but it's harder to sustain long term due to feeling deprived of ice cream and other yummy things*
this is why calorie counting > not calorie counting
Hmmmm... I read the "I'm not hungry so I won't eat the ice cream" as sort of exactly what we are supposed to be learning: to eat according to hunger, and to save 200 calories for another day when you really are hungry.
But how do you know you have 200 calories to save for another day if you don't count your calories?
Also, 200 calories of ice cream when you have 200 calories to spare isn't something bad that should be avoided. Eating 400 calories of ice cream in that situation is though (because you only have 200 cals to spare not 400), and in terms of maintaining both sanity and long term success, depriving yourself of ice cream or any other food you really want to eat is counterproductive. - calorie counting enables you to know just how much of something you can have without harming your progress.
I know how to eat according to hunger, but my hunger signals are set to maintain my weight, as they should be, because in evolutionary terms, hunger signals that lead to you steadily losing weight over time is actually a death sentence. The human body isn't supposed to work like that. Hunger signals are calibrated for weight maintenance.
To lose weight without calorie counting requires ignoring some of your hunger signals, but then there's a danger in eating too little, which is important for me to not do, as my fitness goals include having 300lb deadlift and undereating leads to loss of lean mass which leads to loss of strength.
A lot of people can trick their body's hunger system by eating a high protein, high fibre, low carb, low calorie density diet, which is how people can lose weight eating paleo and similar, but that's way too restrictive for me when I can just count calories and eat all the the foods I wouldn't be allowed on paleo or similar. And some people will not lose even on that diet, because they will still managed to eat at maintenance in those circumstances.
Anyway, nothing wrong with non-counting methods of achieving a deficit if it works for you and you can sustain it in the long term without feeling deprived. Just I know that counting calories and including all the foods I want to eat in my diet definitely works better for me.0 -
I'm not counting calories anymore, I am quite capable of judging what is a good portion size, what is healthy, what is not.
In theory.
In practice, if I want to lose weight again (I'm maintaining but every now and then I need to kick myself back when the weight starts creeping up), the only way to do this is by old fashioned calorie counting. Just to remind myself.0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
I think it's funny how some people equate disagreeing and presenting an alternative viewpoint as seeming threatened. It's a public forum, forum is a place to discuss and exchange ideas. I'm glad non-counting methods work for some people, and if it's working for you and you're not feeling deprived or feeling like you can't enjoy certain foods any more because of uncertainty about whether you're eating too much or not, then go for it. But I think that it's important for people to discuss alternative points of view and alternative experiences, because this kind of thing does not work for everyone.
I also notice that some of the success stories with losing weight without counting come from people with a lot of fat to lose, in that case it is easier to lose weight and there's less danger of losing lean mass. But for the last 10 or 15lbs it may be a totally different story. Someone may need to change their tactics when they get to that point. Ditto anyone who's already at a healthy body fat percentage and doing cutting/bulking cycles to lower bf% or increase strength or get 6 pack abs. So really I think this is an important discussion that everyone can benefit from, and disagreeing does not mean feeling threatened or not liking it that someone is doing something a different way.
And finally I think it's important to point out that with the MFP phone app you can log your food very very easily and calorie counting is not the heinous chore it once was, as in writing everything down on paper and adding it all up yourself... I mean that sucks. But the app does all that for you, even weighing your food a kitchen scale with a tier function, you just load up your plate as usual, except that it's on your scale and you tier it and put it in your phone app for each thing you put on the plate (or the same with the pot you're cooking a meal in) - it adds about 1 minute to food preparation time, if that.0 -
I'm honestly not sure if you simply don't understand what people are saying to you, or are just being deliberately obtuse because they're not saying what you want to hear. There have been several good points that people have made that you seem to be ignoring:
1. You are young. Yes, you've acknowledged that it is an advantage, but you don't seem to grasp the enormity of what that means. It's not just metabolism slowing down with age. Aging also means joint issues, mobility issues, range of motion issues, and a host of other issues which can affect a person's ability to exercise and lose weight. I'm 35, and the difference between what I was physically able to do at 29 and now after having two children is startling. And I've never been overweight in my life, I'm here to lose weight put on during a difficult pregnancy that also resulted in joint damage.
2. You had a lot of weight to lose. Several people have pointed this out. It's the science of weight loss. The less you have to lose, the less wiggle room you have in your calories. So while eating a certain way and eyeballing things may work for you, it's not going to be that way for people with less to lose. A few extra calories here and there can make a really big difference.
3. You're making a lot of assumptions. You may have gained weight from being lazy and stuffing your face with fried food, but that is not the case for everyone here. So while it is great that getting exercise and making better food choices was the key to your weight loss, it's not going to apply to everyone. Some people gained weight from medical issues, changes in lifestyle, stressful life events, etc. There are users here who gained their weight over a matter of years. As in, went from an active job to a management position desk job and put on 20 lbs over 5 years. These aren't people who are inactive or eating poorly, they simply had a priority shift (which also happens with age and increased responsibilities, btw) and those changes to their TDEE meant weight gain.
4. Not everyone on MFP who counts calories has or has had a weight problem. Plenty of people use it to track calories and macros to meet their training goals. We're not all here for the same reason.
You've found something that works for you, and that's wonderful. But you don't need to put other people down as not being as enlightened about weight loss as you tout yourself to be simply because they take another approach that fits their needs and their lifestyle.0 -
If we were all sticking to MFP's exact formula, many of us would be netting 1200 calories with all of our (MFP-inflated) exercise calories eaten back. Luckily, we get to use the tool how we want.
Just curious what you mean by MFP-inflated?0 -
I think it's funny how some of us calorie counters seem threatened when someone is doing something different ! All of these " this is a calorie counting site". This site is so much more than a calorie in/ out log. There is tons of information about exercise. Many motivational threads. Success stories. Challenges. You can find groups that cover every exercise and eating choice. If the only purpose of MFP was to count calories it would not be as popular or as useful. So in an area about motivation and support - let's be supportive! Congratulations on your weight loss.
The most supportive thing anyone has said in this thread. Thank you for understanding the context of my post. Also, thank you to the others who also acknowledged my point and congratulated me. I was able to break my weight barrier by joining this website and learning from you guys. Seems to be more negative people on here than I thought. To the poster that said I have a lot of weight to lose and that I'm still a young guy....Go Figure!!! That is why I am here! And I am proud of my youth and wouldn't trade it for the world. Enjoying life.
I'm the one who said you're a young guy with alot to lose and that's why your plan is working--you don't get it at all. As you get older this won't work. It's easier to lose when you're younger. In 20 years I'd like to see you on this plan of yours. However, I don't want you to fail, and I don't think anyone on MFP wants that. All of the negative comments are from people that have seen it before. They are just trying to inform you to be careful as you get closer to goal so you won't stall. I think that's nice even if you don't.
What nonsense.
What do you think all those millions of human beings did to lose weight BEFORE the calorie was ever discovered? Or in the many parts of the world today where caloric labeling is spotty, at best, and access to calorie counting material is equally as unreliable? And sorry, not all of them were in their 20s.
Lets get real. Calorie counting has almost as abysmal long term statistics as any other weight loss method. It does not, even remotely, give you any kind of significant advantage for long term results, regardless of age.
To tell somebody that when they get old they're likely to fail if they don't calorie count, yet acting like calorie counting has been proven to be the holy grail, is so disingenuous. The VAST majority of people eventually fall off the calorie counting bandwagon. They get frustrated with walking that tightrope, rebel, and dive right off. Don't believe me? Check the statistics and studies.
If people learned to eat intuitively, as we once did naturally, we wouldn't even need calorie counting apps. Also learning to buck modern western society's obsession with avoiding hunger is helpful. We once understood hunger, and delayed gratification, was an absolutely normal, expected occurrence. Yes, it's going to be very difficult to lose without counting and logging for the rest of your life if you panic every single time a little hunger, or craving, comes knocking.0
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