About metabolism

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  • geebusuk
    geebusuk Posts: 3,348 Member
    The difference from muscle is pretty small - something like 6 calories per pound of muscle.
    So, if you put on 50lb of muscle (a lot!), you could eat an extra twin-finger twix a day. Woo.

    Doing weights seems to help me - with weights but before other exercise I maintain at around 3000 calories a day - maybe a bit more. At the moment I'm losing 2lb/week or so on an average of 2000 calories a day or more BEFORE I add in extra cardio, which I always eat back.

    After that; be more active.

    It's been noted that when overfeeding, some people become more fidgity and so on naturally - their body burning off the energy.
    Me, I make a point of not having nice stuff lying around and cycling to the shops (went to the ones 5 miles away today) - so I have to burn calories to get nice stuff. Also cycle to work (only 3 miles a day, but all helps)

    Also, I've had plenty of friends that claim "Oh, but I eat LOADS" - and certainly they might get near to matching me for one meal. But then they probably will hardly eat the day after and may have hardly eaten the day before, while I'll have had the entire Dominoes large Pizza with sides in addition to normal food in the day and a large breakfast the next morning.
  • Efflictim
    Efflictim Posts: 147 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    No.......
  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    This is about the dumbest thing I've read in awhile.

    Do you even understand the role of fat in the body?
  • I don't know much about metabolism but I know most of my slim friends who everyone thinks can eat what they want are either the type of people who are always on the go and never seem to sit down, or they eat big meals/snacks one day and tend to have less other days. I guess they could have faster metabolisms than me, but my guess is that I put on weight because I wasn't active enough, and when I did over indulge I didn't compensate on other meals/days.
  • Amandawith3kids
    Amandawith3kids Posts: 367 Member
    my hubby can eat upwards of 2000 calories in one meal, i know because i plated it for him. he's 6'2", and 170 pounds of muscle. size 32" pants, same as he was in high school, and he's 43! he just never stops moving. he walks about 5 miles a day at work, plus the heavy lifting (he works in a grocery store)

    i keep warning him he's going to have to cut WAY back on the eating when he retires. LOL
  • veredit
    veredit Posts: 29 Member
    Build muscle and stay active.

    Even then your metabolism is only going to increase slightly.

    This. Your metabolism is increasing slowly, but since then you'll be used to smaller portions, and yes, you will eat very often. I lost some weight myself, I reached my goal and now I have to eat every 2-3 hours max, but my calorie intake stays somewhere around 1250 net.
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  • brookemart81
    brookemart81 Posts: 62 Member
    For most of my life I was one of those people. Naturally skinny, didn't work out or do much physical activity, ate whatever I wanted, never seemed to gain weight. I never set foot inside a gym until a couple years ago. I never counted calories (or paid them the slightest attention) before last week.

    As I result I developed some really bad habits. I'm very food motivated and have very little self control when it comes to food. I get a lot of cravings and I'm quick to indulge them. I eat when I'm bored and I eat to comfort myself when I'm stressed or unhappy. I love carbs. Carbs forever! I love cheese. I love sweets. I eat portions that are too large and I don't stop when I'm full. Indian buffet! Cream sauces! Marathon cookie baking/eating! I'm too busy to cook- let's get pizza AGAIN! It's warm out today- let's go get ice cream!

    Now that I'm in my 30s I've discovered I actually DO gain weight, just very slowly. I'm not overweight by any measurements, but in the last few years my weight has been creeping up to where I'm not happy with it, my body doesn't look great and my clothes haven't been fitting well. And more importantly I am not in good shape. I get winded easily. When my husband and I go on hikes I can't keep up. I have been wanting to do more physical activity and having a really hard time with it- I feel weak and out of shape and I don't like it.

    So here I am, trying to get healthy and develop better eating habits and be more active, just like everyone else. I don't think there's any "free lunch" so to speak. No one is truly having it all. Maybe there are people out there who have a naturally high metabolism that stays that way for their whole lives (I doubt it) but just because those people are thin doesn't mean they're healthy. I have no idea whether someone can change their metabolism, but I think what you are wanting to achieve may be something that doesn't actually exist.
  • loubidy
    loubidy Posts: 440 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    I think what you mean to say is that you can get more bulk/food for your calories since fruits and vegetables are generally low. That doesn't mean you can have MORE calories, though. :-)
    Nope. I said what i meant, and meant what i said.

    So if I go raw I can eat 2,000 calories and lose weight instead of 1,500 calories? In other words, I can eat 20 bananas a day and lose weight with no extra exertion and not gain a single ounce? Are you sure? Are you positive? I can eat some banana/date/strawberry smoothies on top of my other 1,400 calories and not gain because the choice allows me more calories? I don't remember reading this in any books or watching it in any documentaries and I was a high raw vegan for many, many years!

    yes, a plant based diet contains a set number of negative calorie foods; hence, it is superior to all other diets…

    Wow this is stupid.
  • Firehawk734
    Firehawk734 Posts: 132 Member
    I think the guy saying to eat plant based is confused. It might appear that you are eating alot more, because the quantity of lettuce you'd need to eat to reach 2000 calories, you'll never eat. It's like 35 heads of lettuce a day you'd have to eat. Good luck with that.

    My stepkid is a scrawny kid, 5'11 and 120lbs. He's a skeleton. He eats junk all the time. BUT, if you follow him around all day, he doesn't eat alot. I think that's a misconception with people that see skinny people eating alot. Unless they follow them around all the time, the appearance is that they are eating whatever they want and eating alot, when they don't. He'll eat ice cream at night, frozen pizza, pizza rolls, burgers, etc. But when you do the calorie intake, it doesn't go over 2500-3000. He's 16, so fairly active (but not really for a typical 16 yr old), doesn't play sports, brainy kid. But some days he probably eats like 1500 calories, and others he eats 3000. He doesn't have the ability to put down 5-8000 calories a day.

    I on the other hand, am always hungry, and I have stopped counting at 15000 calories on a cheat day. It's not that hard with the right types of food lol. Candy, ice cream, jets pizza, brownies, all that stuff adds up VERY fast.

    To the original poster, I don't know that you can increase metabolism that much without adding quality muscle. There is a phenomenon that if you try to raise calories over time, very slowly, like add 100 calories to your daily intake per week, that you can raise your metabolism. I don't see why this wouldn't work considering when you cut, the opposite happens. You have to continue dropping calories to continue fat loss, until you get to a plateau, and then it's good to go back to maintenance for a week or two to reset that metabolism, cut it a break.

    This is just my opinion. I know that resetting metabolism as far as after a long cut, adding calories to maintenance or even a small surplus for a couple weeks will bring back up the metabolism, but I'm not sure yet about raising it indefinitely. I will find out though. And when I say resetting your metabolism in this fashion, I mean from a depressed level from cutting, back to a normalized rate. Not an increased over normal rate. I think for the increased rate you have to add muscle. It just makes sense to me.

    I'm about 5% points away from being 10% bf and then I plan to do this very thing. Add calories back in slow, but I will continue to try to build muscle mass. I think those go hand in hand (add mass for increased metabolism in the long run).

    I don't see much increase in metabolism if you plan to stay skinny, not from your normal metabolic levels.

    Just my opinion.
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member
    Negative calories? hmmm so far as I know there is no such thing. Except very cold water which your body needs to "heat up" in order to process.

    This is technically true, but the burn is so ridiculously low that the effects are negligible. Wish someone had told 15-year-old me that before I ended up shivering for an entire evening after downing several litres of ice water...
  • Mischievous_Rascal
    Mischievous_Rascal Posts: 1,791 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    Oh no...
  • jonnyman41
    jonnyman41 Posts: 1,032 Member
    my hubby is thin (not skinny) has muscles, though not huge ones and eats like an absolute pig!!! in fact he is nick named piggy as he can eat that much but.... he is still thin. Yes there is some genetics in there but he also can't sit still ever, has a manual job and plays league squash 4-5 nights a week, not to mention the dog walks every morning and sometimes in the evening too. Good metabolism yes, his sisters and dad are all pretty slim too without the effort he puts into every day (though with less food too I expect) but certainly he is also very active in life too.
    I think he is hard wired to be active without forcing himself and that he is supported by a good fuel burning process in his body. I eat less than him, way less but I a fat and lazy too
  • Cheechos
    Cheechos Posts: 293
    I think that's a misconception with people that see skinny people eating alot. Unless they follow them around all the time, the appearance is that they are eating whatever they want and eating alot, when they don't.

    This is really important to remember. People who can put away a lot of food and don't gain are usually either A) very active in ways we don't see or B) actually eating far less than we think they are. There are also some people who wear the fat they gain in their bodies a different way (aka "skinny fat" folks) so that it doesn't show very much.
  • LKArgh
    LKArgh Posts: 5,178 Member
    Back in my days as a student, I used to be one of the people who my friends saw in shock eat half a pizza, drink 3 beers and then top everything with 5 scoops of ice cream, and stay on the limit between underweight and normal. What they did not see, was me walking everywhere, so 2-3 hours per day, spend 2-4 hours in the gym per day, and this evening "feast", being 90% of my calories for the day. There is no such thing as an "awesome metabolism".
  • in_the_stars
    in_the_stars Posts: 1,395 Member
    Back in my days as a student, I used to be one of the people who my friends saw in shock eat half a pizza, drink 3 beers and then top everything with 5 scoops of ice cream, and stay on the limit between underweight and normal. What they did not see, was me walking everywhere, so 2-3 hours per day, spend 2-4 hours in the gym per day, and this evening "feast", being 90% of my calories for the day. There is no such thing as an "awesome metabolism".

    Then why can't I gain weight?
  • mortuseon
    mortuseon Posts: 579 Member

    The presence of a 'fat gene' is always a bit of a dodgy statement - better to put it as a 'mutation that exists in some people that may contribute to appetite/weight gain' than a 'fat gene' because the latter statement implies that genetics is the sole contributing factor and overstates its importance in the general population.
  • Firehawk734
    Firehawk734 Posts: 132 Member
    You can gain weight, the simple matter is that you aren't eating enough. If you are having trouble with the quantity that you need to eat to gain weight, then you have to go away from quantity and go to quality. This means dense foods with fat in them. First thing that comes to mind, and most people usually love, is peanut butter.

    Throw 2 scoops of your favorite ice cream into a blender with some milk and a big glob of peanut butter. Bam, 1000 calories.

    It's easy to drink a lot of calories, by the way, so I'd suggest doing this if you truly are struggling to get your calories in.

    By the way, you need to do this EVERY DAY. If you're doing it 3 days a week but then on the other 4 saying "ugh, I can't eat this much"...then your net net going to be at maintenance levels at best.

    I wish I had this problem lol.

    Bottom line (and this is just my opinion), get your protein in from good quality meat/eggs, or whatever you use, get your fiber in from veggies (spinach is great), and i like kashi go lean high fiber cereal, get some good quality carbs in there like sweet potatos (and load butter and brown sugar on if you want), and then give yourself a big bowl of ice cream with chocolate syrup...EVERY DAY. You'll gain weight if you eat enough. It's physics.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    While more muscle mass will increase your calorie burn it's probably not as much as you think. The "skinny" people you see who seem to eat a lot and stay skinny are very likely moving a heck of a lot. My wife is like that, but she bounces around like a rubber ball. lol For most people, learning self control is critical.
    I so agree. If I don't go to the gym and do heavy weights three days a week and run 4-6 miles the other three days of the week, there is no way I'd be able to eat what I eat and not gain weight. It took a loss of 42 pounds and learning self control with both food and exercise before getting to this place. The gifts are that I no longer see food as good or bad and I've learned self control.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.
    This is not true.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Build muscle and stay active.

    Even then your metabolism is only going to increase slightly.
    I think this is true, and that the problem is that when many of us were fat that we thought it was because our metabolism was slow. However, when I compare what life was like for me 42 pounds ago and now, I realize that I was eating WAY MORE than I thought I was because I didn't weigh or log food and I don't exercise as much or as intensely. Now I strive for accuracy.
  • SymphonynSonata
    SymphonynSonata Posts: 533 Member
    Back in my days as a student, I used to be one of the people who my friends saw in shock eat half a pizza, drink 3 beers and then top everything with 5 scoops of ice cream, and stay on the limit between underweight and normal. What they did not see, was me walking everywhere, so 2-3 hours per day, spend 2-4 hours in the gym per day, and this evening "feast", being 90% of my calories for the day. There is no such thing as an "awesome metabolism".

    Then why can't I gain weight?

    If you eat more calories than you burn but aren't gaining weight, maybe you have a tape worm. I'd go to the doctors to get checked just to be safe. Good luck!
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    my hubby can eat upwards of 2000 calories in one meal, i know because i plated it for him. he's 6'2", and 170 pounds of muscle. size 32" pants, same as he was in high school, and he's 43! he just never stops moving. he walks about 5 miles a day at work, plus the heavy lifting (he works in a grocery store)

    i keep warning him he's going to have to cut WAY back on the eating when he retires. LOL

    This is my brother. But, being the smart that man that he is, said the reason he doesn't gain weight is because he burns it all off with his activity.
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,654 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.


    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! This is oh so wrong!
  • Get a hard manual labor job
    Eat a lot and stay 'skinny'
    ?????????
    Profit

    I think that was the underpants gnomes...
  • jmv7117
    jmv7117 Posts: 891 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    Nutrition 101 FAIL
  • nespinosa3
    nespinosa3 Posts: 116
    This is just my opinion...I don't think it's possible to get to that point. My husband eats whatever he wants, gains weight very very very slowly, and he's not active at all. He has pretty good genetics (his family is pretty slim), he was involved in dancing all through school (I've found people who used to be athletes have a pretty good metabolism even years after), and he also has some good behaviors with food that most of us don't have. If he doesn't *love* something, he doesn't eat it, even if its' free and right there on his face. He almost never craves dessert. He doesn't binge, he just eats when he's hungry and until he's full. Sometimes if he gets really full for lunch, he'll have a super light dinner. They are lucky, but most of us are not that lucky. Me, I don't think with all the workouts and muscle in the world, I'll ever get to be that way. I just hope I can get to a maintenance state at some point :(
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Your metabolism can change, if you eat less fat. If you eat a whole foods, plant based diet, low in fat, and heavy in carbohydrates, you can eat more calories overall.

    I think what you mean to say is that you can get more bulk/food for your calories since fruits and vegetables are generally low. That doesn't mean you can have MORE calories, though. :-)
    Nope. I said what i meant, and meant what i said.

    So if I go raw I can eat 2,000 calories and lose weight instead of 1,500 calories? In other words, I can eat 20 bananas a day and lose weight with no extra exertion and not gain a single ounce? Are you sure? Are you positive? I can eat some banana/date/strawberry smoothies on top of my other 1,400 calories and not gain because the choice allows me more calories? I don't remember reading this in any books or watching it in any documentaries and I was a high raw vegan for many, many years!

    yes, a plant based diet contains a set number of negative calorie foods; hence, it is superior to all other diets…

    Wow this is stupid.

    it was sarcasm ….way to pick up on in it though...
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,654 Member
    I do believe that genetics plays a big part in the way each of our bodies metabolize certain foods. In my family of origin, Diabetes runs pretty rampant. Most of the members of my extended family are overweight. If you go to our family reunions, then you will see why. The tables are loaded with carbs and sugar. Not much green to be seen.

    But then I look at my ex. He was 5'7" and 125 lbs when I met him. His diet consisted of beer, pasta, and sugar. He had a fairly sedentary job and never exercised. After we married and he started eating real dinner instead of drinking it, he gained 20 lbs the first year.
    I, on the other hand, gained 20 lbs my first year of college, or rather Partying 101. Alcohol and sugar make me gain weight!:drinker: