This topic will end all diet misconceptions. *READ*
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Whether I agree or disagree with you is beside the point. My problem is that you are taking your personal experience and applying it to everyone. Which is basically the same thing all the people who said those things worked were doing. All any of you can say is what worked for *you*. You can't do a 'study' in which you give 'results' on a sample size of one.
actually studies have shown all four of those claims to be accurate ….
ETA - changed proven to studies show...0 -
breaking news..this post is not new news…
OP - you could of found similar posts if you just searched the threads…
and this will not end ALL diet misconceptions….too many special snowflakes out there…
but I applaud you for your effort...0 -
To summarize quickly:
Yes it is true that if you come under a calorie deficit for the day it doesn't matter what the foods were you will lose weight. That said it is false that everyone is capable of eating whatever they feel like and yet managing to routinely come under a calorie deficit without being frustrated, hungry or unfocused in their efforts. Some will find that having a regimented routine and eating clean works much better for them, not because they actually think that if they eat under a calorie deficit with pizza that they won't lose weight its because they realize or have learned that THEY cannot do that. And you know what that's fine.
agreed, except when they make the claim that they ate in a deficit did not lose any weight and then switched to clean eating and the pounds starting coming off only then….0 -
I said this stuff and one guy got a little butt hurt. He tried sending links to sites and stuff. He made some good points. If I was getting on stage or a performance athlete I might pay more attention to what is going to give me the most optimal results. But, for the average Joe on this site who just wants to look good naked and be healthier, everything you said would be true. For a person who says I ate the same amount of calories in "dirty" food and "clean" food (I hate those terms) but, I only lost weight with "clean" food. I don't know how that is. You may not have been tracking correctly I guess. Science says you will lose weight with either. Props to you OP.
P.S. You still aren't going to stop the diet misconceptions or change peoples minds. To each his/her own.0 -
Whether I agree or disagree with you is beside the point. My problem is that you are taking your personal experience and applying it to everyone. Which is basically the same thing all the people who said those things worked were doing. All any of you can say is what worked for *you*. You can't do a 'study' in which you give 'results' on a sample size of one.
^^^^ THIS0 -
"* Eat "clean" foods and cut out soda/candy/etc etc. "
Though technically you can lose weight while eating anything as long as you put yourself into a calorie deficit, you really should still try to eat as clean as possible. Heck, I could lose weight only eating from the dollar menu at McDonalds.
But if I am on a 1200 calorie per day goal, and I only eat Twinkies and drink Coca Cola to fulfill those 1200, I would be doing a disservice to my body.
Of course, my example is an extreme case, but you get the picture. Junk food will get you the calories, but you may end up severely lacking in vitamin A, C, protein, Iron, calcium etc. etc.
Your body needs calories, yes. But there are other nutrients that your body needs. If you just want to drop pounds, simply count calories. If you want to drop pounds and keep your body healthy, eat cleaner, along with counting calories. More veggies, especially green ones, and superfoods will make you feel better as you are dropping weight.
You have to put some research into it, but the more you know, the better informed you are, and the better your food choices.0 -
In general I agree with everything said. I think MissJay has a point as well as it always comes across a bit wrong when people seem to suggest that if something worked for them it will work for anyone which is an assumption that does not necessarily pan out.
My only critique is I think a lot of people who eat "clean" when they diet, including myself, are fully aware that they could eat anything as long as they are hitting their calorie target at the end of the day its just they find it a lot easier to do so if they are eating lots of lean meats and veg. I'm not afraid of things like pizza when I diet but I realize if I eat some pizza I'm probably going to be in 700 calories into my daily allotment and yet will likely be hungry again in a couple of hours.
I agree. I think that there are a fair number here that are concerned with more than just weight loss so healthy and clean eating becomes the focus in addition to losing weight. By more, I mean improved health and fitness.0 -
You cannot refute staying in a calorie deficit and eating whatever/whenever you want works for everyone, because it does; unless others aren't tied to simple laws of human adaptation to energy expenditure and consumption (which is impossible).
Actually I can say that because not everyone has the same amount of willpower or the same relationships with food or diet. Some people will be able to eat pizza and snack and come out with a calorie deficit and be satisfied with their hunger and can carry that out long term. Others will not be able to do so and may have to set up a more regimented program in order to essentially coerce themselves into appropriate eating in order to come under a calorie deficit at least until they build better habits.
No, a blanket statement like "pfffff its easy, just eat whatever you want and come under your calories for the day" will not work for every person, for many that will end in failure and eventually quitting and returning to bad habits out of frustration.
I get what you are saying, I think you are factually correct but you appear completely dismissive of this concept that no, not everyone has an easy time of it and not everyone is going to be able to eat whatever they want and still achieve their goals.
I think this is a great post, and the people who spout this "eat whatever you want but keep your calorie deficit" are really setting people up for failure badly.
When I started eating lots of skinless chicken breasts, oatmeal, eggs, tuna, and salad, all which I enjoy, I found that I didn't have cravings nearly as often. If I were to go back to trying to eat pizza and fried foods and stay within my calories, it would be very diffcult to do.
Plus I probably would fall well short of the necessary protein to retain muscle, another point completely disregarded with that mindset.0 -
I disagree with others who say there is a problem with this post and that the OP is trying to say what works for him works for everybody. These are the myths he presented:
* Eat 5-6 small meals to stoke the "metabolic fire" and lose weight faster.
* Eat "clean" foods and cut out soda/candy/etc etc.
* Don't eat late at night or your meal will turn to fat.
* Eat breakfast to get your metabolism running.
He debunked them. Bottom line is that they simply are not true. However, meal frequency, type of food, eating late at night, and breakfast are all about what works for you. It's calories in/calories out.
I eat 5-6 meals a day because it keeps me from getting hungry, but it's not necessary to weight loss. I just like snacking in between meals.
I don't eat a lot of deserts, candies, etc., and I love my fruits and veggies and non-processed foods, but I eat like this because it makes me feel good. Also, I'm a bit sensitive to processed sugar, so I watch it on the sweet stuff, though I indulge sometimes.
I eat late at night sometimes. I don't notice an increase in size.
Breakfast is my favorite and biggest meal of the day, but only because I like it. It's not necessary to weight loss either.0 -
Well the "diet misconception" I really want to see people stop bringing up in the forums is "starvation mode". The idea that if you eat at a huge deficit your body will actually start to store additional fat.
What irritates me most about the 'starvation mode' theory is it is used as an excuse to eat more as in 'not losing on 1,200 calories so you should be eating 1,500 calories'. The sad thing is some actually believe this is the way to lose the weight then they are back again to say they are doing everything right (except weighing their food) and still can't lose the weight so the reply again is to eat more. If a huge deficit caused a body to store additional fat, then I would be a heck of a lot larger than I am right now. I'm sure there are others that could say the same thing.0 -
The point of eating clean really has nothing to do with losing weight. The concept behind it is to know what is in your food and where it comes from. The fact that is has helped people lose weight makes it seem like it's the latest diet craze, but in all reality it has nothing to do with actually losing weight. It's about what is in and on your food or what it's made of.
Agreed! For some reason, folks on MFP don't really like anyone who eats clean not that it really matters. Clean eaters tend to do so as part of their entire lifestyle that may include using non-toxic cleaners, using natural fibre clothing, using cloth shopping bags and so forth. I honestly don't see why some here feel the need to put these choices down.0 -
Well the "diet misconception" I really want to see people stop bringing up in the forums is "starvation mode". The idea that if you eat at a huge deficit your body will actually start to store additional fat.
What irritates me most about the 'starvation mode' theory is it is used as an excuse to eat more as in 'not losing on 1,200 calories so you should be eating 1,500 calories'. The sad thing is some actually believe this is the way to lose the weight then they are back again to say they are doing everything right (except weighing their food) and still can't lose the weight so the reply again is to eat more. If a huge deficit caused a body to store additional fat, then I would be a heck of a lot larger than I am right now. I'm sure there are others that could say the same thing.
Read the links in the 2 posts above, you are kind of using the term in the correct sense then - adaptive thermogenesis, or metabolic efficiency.
And eating more is the solution to it.
But when used in context like missing a meal, too long a space between meals, went under 1 day, stick to calories but gain fat, ect, those all have the myth part along with it.
Start combining what can happen with binges and bad compliance, sure the end result is the same, gained fat supposedly eating just 1200 daily. Never mind the fact every Saturday was actually 3500.
To your point though, I think there is a separation between "I lost 40 lbs and now it's stopped" and "I've started eating 1200 and not losing after first week".
The latter may have advice to keep it reasonable and 1200 probably isn't, but also needs to weigh food.
The former obviously had some skill in logging food, or would never have lost those pounds.0 -
I think the clean eating perpetuates because someone discovers they personally had a food allergy or sensitivity, and all they did was remove a really stressful thing from their body.
People may not know they normally eat stuff with lots of MSG perhaps, or some other thing that doesn't agree with them.
Less stress on body, better able to lose weight.
Friend with mild case of celiac's disease had that issue. Eating at reasonable deficit, trying to eat healthy which meant more grains they normally didn't do.
That caused some issues always attributed to body just getting used to eating healthy, but weight loss was very difficult. Not sure what made them go get tested.
But they kept the calories the same and just switched that out, bam, started losing weight after a few days. They kept some of their same "bad" foods like desserts that were strangely glutton free already no problem. Just that one item.
I'm betting for many that claim the clean eating was only way to go for them, if they had actual tests, or spent weeks testing and changing out just some food items, and if no effect bringing them back, they'd find it was really only a few things that caused issues.0 -
Whether I agree or disagree with you is beside the point. My problem is that you are taking your personal experience and applying it to everyone. Which is basically the same thing all the people who said those things worked were doing. All any of you can say is what worked for *you*. You can't do a 'study' in which you give 'results' on a sample size of one.
This is true. I don't think the absolute statements you make are 100% proven. Science is still learning about these things and different things seem to work for different people. I believe that keeping an open mind and employing common sense and logic, as well as doing your own research is empowering and the best way to find the way that works for you.
Namaste
Both of these ^^0 -
It's all about finding the right thing for you. I've found that I need to eat breakfast to keep from overeating later. Other people are fine without it. This is how we are going to eat the rest of our lives, so we've got to make it fit!0
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Just to comment on the thread name, because I tend to agree with what you had to say, people will do and believe what it suits them to do and believe, regardless of other people's experiences and, often enough, common sense. So what you've said won't end anything, it will likely be as long a thread as any around here that people love to debate.0
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You cannot refute staying in a calorie deficit and eating whatever/whenever you want works for everyone, because it does; unless others aren't tied to simple laws of human adaptation to energy expenditure and consumption (which is impossible).
Actually I can say that because not everyone has the same amount of willpower or the same relationships with food or diet. Some people will be able to eat pizza and snack and come out with a calorie deficit and be satisfied with their hunger and can carry that out long term. Others will not be able to do so and may have to set up a more regimented program in order to essentially coerce themselves into appropriate eating in order to come under a calorie deficit at least until they build better habits.
No, a blanket statement like "pfffff its easy, just eat whatever you want and come under your calories for the day" will not work for every person, for many that will end in failure and eventually quitting and returning to bad habits out of frustration.
I get what you are saying, I think you are factually correct but you appear completely dismissive of this concept that no, not everyone has an easy time of it and not everyone is going to be able to eat whatever they want and still achieve their goals.
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You cannot refute staying in a calorie deficit and eating whatever/whenever you want works for everyone, because it does; unless others aren't tied to simple laws of human adaptation to energy expenditure and consumption (which is impossible).
Actually I can say that because not everyone has the same amount of willpower or the same relationships with food or diet. Some people will be able to eat pizza and snack and come out with a calorie deficit and be satisfied with their hunger and can carry that out long term. Others will not be able to do so and may have to set up a more regimented program in order to essentially coerce themselves into appropriate eating in order to come under a calorie deficit at least until they build better habits.
No, a blanket statement like "pfffff its easy, just eat whatever you want and come under your calories for the day" will not work for every person, for many that will end in failure and eventually quitting and returning to bad habits out of frustration.
I get what you are saying, I think you are factually correct but you appear completely dismissive of this concept that no, not everyone has an easy time of it and not everyone is going to be able to eat whatever they want and still achieve their goals.
I think this is a great post, and the people who spout this "eat whatever you want but keep your calorie deficit" are really setting people up for failure badly.
When I started eating lots of skinless chicken breasts, oatmeal, eggs, tuna, and salad, all which I enjoy, I found that I didn't have cravings nearly as often. If I were to go back to trying to eat pizza and fried foods and stay within my calories, it would be very diffcult to do.
Plus I probably would fall well short of the necessary protein to retain muscle, another point completely disregarded with that mindset.
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...0 -
You cannot refute staying in a calorie deficit and eating whatever/whenever you want works for everyone, because it does; unless others aren't tied to simple laws of human adaptation to energy expenditure and consumption (which is impossible).
Actually I can say that because not everyone has the same amount of willpower or the same relationships with food or diet. Some people will be able to eat pizza and snack and come out with a calorie deficit and be satisfied with their hunger and can carry that out long term. Others will not be able to do so and may have to set up a more regimented program in order to essentially coerce themselves into appropriate eating in order to come under a calorie deficit at least until they build better habits.
No, a blanket statement like "pfffff its easy, just eat whatever you want and come under your calories for the day" will not work for every person, for many that will end in failure and eventually quitting and returning to bad habits out of frustration.
I get what you are saying, I think you are factually correct but you appear completely dismissive of this concept that no, not everyone has an easy time of it and not everyone is going to be able to eat whatever they want and still achieve their goals.
I think this is a great post, and the people who spout this "eat whatever you want but keep your calorie deficit" are really setting people up for failure badly.
When I started eating lots of skinless chicken breasts, oatmeal, eggs, tuna, and salad, all which I enjoy, I found that I didn't have cravings nearly as often. If I were to go back to trying to eat pizza and fried foods and stay within my calories, it would be very diffcult to do.
Plus I probably would fall well short of the necessary protein to retain muscle, another point completely disregarded with that mindset.
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Yep. This is the second time I've tried to lose weight. My first attempt, I did pretty well and lost about 40lbs. This was in 2012 I think, when I first joined this site. Once I started reading all this stuff about clean eating, I freaked out a little because I thought I was doing everything wrong and that I had to quite eating "processed junk" and basically everything I enjoyed eating. So guess what happened? I gave up and gained everything back because I couldn't bare the thought of not eating a pizza, ice cream, birthday cake, etc every now and then.
Now I'm trying again and have learned a lot more from some of the great iifym posters on here and am definitely not going to go down the restrict yourself path again.0 -
It is absolutely true that ALL diet misconceptions will not be ended upon reading this post.
A few weight loss myths were touched upon in the OP.0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".0 -
After some evaluation of this topic I can say that :
-The topic title is misleading/incorrect and I should of created a better one. My apologies.
- I respect anyone's diet and fitness plan even if it differs from the "eat whatever" plan. If it's easier for you to eat clean awesome, keep with it.
My entire purpose of this topic was to help people and hopefully clear the air about certain diet myths and misconceptions to give people more options on their journey to a better body and lifestyle.0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".
He really wasn't implying all food varieties are " good" he was just saying the same thing I've been preaching - it's easier for some people on a weight loss plan to not restrict themselves. I agree with the yo-yo dieting angle as well. Why restrict yourselves from your favorite foods in moderation? I do agree with you, however, that there are people that have unique restrictions due to their own body makeup or aliments. Like I've been saying, if you follow a clean diet and it's working, great. I respect everyone's opinion and their own ways of eating.0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".
I would like to see the research on that...
so you are saying if I have a genetic pre-disposition to gaining weight on fried foods, that I could eat in a 500 daily calorie deficit and still not lose weight?
My point was that when people - with no underlying medical condition - are told "carbs are bad, don't eat them because they turn to fat" and they follow said advice to the point where they restrict carbs for a month and then go on a carb induced binge, and then feel guilty, and then feel like giving up, that this is really not setting someone up for success...0 -
You cannot refute staying in a calorie deficit and eating whatever/whenever you want works for everyone, because it does; unless others aren't tied to simple laws of human adaptation to energy expenditure and consumption (which is impossible).
Actually I can say that because not everyone has the same amount of willpower or the same relationships with food or diet. Some people will be able to eat pizza and snack and come out with a calorie deficit and be satisfied with their hunger and can carry that out long term. Others will not be able to do so and may have to set up a more regimented program in order to essentially coerce themselves into appropriate eating in order to come under a calorie deficit at least until they build better habits.
No, a blanket statement like "pfffff its easy, just eat whatever you want and come under your calories for the day" will not work for every person, for many that will end in failure and eventually quitting and returning to bad habits out of frustration.
I get what you are saying, I think you are factually correct but you appear completely dismissive of this concept that no, not everyone has an easy time of it and not everyone is going to be able to eat whatever they want and still achieve their goals.
I think this is a great post, and the people who spout this "eat whatever you want but keep your calorie deficit" are really setting people up for failure badly.
When I started eating lots of skinless chicken breasts, oatmeal, eggs, tuna, and salad, all which I enjoy, I found that I didn't have cravings nearly as often. If I were to go back to trying to eat pizza and fried foods and stay within my calories, it would be very diffcult to do.
Plus I probably would fall well short of the necessary protein to retain muscle, another point completely disregarded with that mindset.
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
I just think that many people are not equipped to handle a diet that depends on portion control every day. I am one of those people.
I love pizza, it is my favorite food in the world. I eat it about once every 10 - 14 days. And I eat a TON of it when I do. If I tried to eat pizza 2 or 3 times a week and control my portions I would fail miserably, and I know that.
The good news is that I also like to eat oatmeal, eggs, tuna, chicken breasts, asparagus, spaghettis squash, salad, and all kinds of other healthy foods. I don't have an urge to eat pizza all the time because of that.
I guess what I am trying to say is...that for people who love pizza and pasta and cake and other sugary things, eating "whatever they want" and trying to control portions every day is very hard.
I tried it and always failed. Eating healthy and treating myself every once in a while has worked for me.0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".
I would like to see the research on that...
so you are saying if I have a genetic pre-disposition to gaining weight on fried foods, that I could eat in a 500 daily calorie deficit and still not lose weight?
My point was that when people - with no underlying medical condition - are told "carbs are bad, don't eat them because they turn to fat" and they follow said advice to the point where they restrict carbs for a month and then go on a carb induced binge, and then feel guilty, and then feel like giving up, that this is really not setting someone up for success...
Here is a link to the study on starch and genetics (and no, its doesn't say what you suggested, of course)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140330151318.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+sciencedaily+(Latest+Science+News+--+ScienceDaily)
Here is the one re: fried foods. http://www.bmj.com/content/348/bmj.g16100 -
After some evaluation of this topic I can say that :
-The topic title is misleading/incorrect and I should of created a better one. My apologies.
- I respect anyone's diet and fitness plan even if it differs from the "eat whatever" plan. If it's easier for you to eat clean awesome, keep with it.
My entire purpose of this topic was to help people and hopefully clear the air about certain diet myths and misconceptions to give people more options on their journey to a better body and lifestyle.
Totally man and its appreciated, I hope you didn't read my posts as being overly combative or negative. I actually agree with your points even if your initial wording came off a little overbearing. Either way I fully believe you have good intentions with this post and its appreciated.0 -
Career-wise I'm a scientist and as such I do prize the facts and truth above all else....to a point. What that point is is the realization that in our reality, in our social situations and in our lives sometimes you have to lie to yourself a bit to get yourself to do something and if that lie gets you on the path to being fit then heck, lie to yourself.
Some people require a regimented routine to be able to diet and exercise effectively and if telling themselves that this is something they have to do is what gets them doing it I'm not about to try to rain on that parade (up until the point that they try to tell other people that they "have to do it" as well then I would say something).0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".
I would like to see the research on that...
so you are saying if I have a genetic pre-disposition to gaining weight on fried foods, that I could eat in a 500 daily calorie deficit and still not lose weight?
My point was that when people - with no underlying medical condition - are told "carbs are bad, don't eat them because they turn to fat" and they follow said advice to the point where they restrict carbs for a month and then go on a carb induced binge, and then feel guilty, and then feel like giving up, that this is really not setting someone up for success...
I eat the same things now that I did when I was fat and I lost 42 pounds. Why? Because I learned no foods are good or bad and I eat everything in moderation that i am not sensitive to or allergic to.0 -
how do you set someone up for failure when you tell them that there are no "bad" foods and that you can eat the foods that you like and still lose weight?
IMO - telling someone to restrict certain foods that you like to the point where you set up a binge/restrict cycle is going to set them up for a cycle of yo-yo dieting and wondering whey they cannot reach their goals...
Where is the evidence that all foods are "good" for everyone? Genetic research has shown a link between fried foods and weight gain for some, and a link between starchy foods and weight gain for some. Depending on genetic make-up some might be wise to consider certain foods "bad".
I would like to see the research on that...
so you are saying if I have a genetic pre-disposition to gaining weight on fried foods, that I could eat in a 500 daily calorie deficit and still not lose weight?
My point was that when people - with no underlying medical condition - are told "carbs are bad, don't eat them because they turn to fat" and they follow said advice to the point where they restrict carbs for a month and then go on a carb induced binge, and then feel guilty, and then feel like giving up, that this is really not setting someone up for success...
I eat the same things now that I did when I was fat and I lost 42 pounds. Why? Because I learned no foods are good or bad and I eat everything in moderation that i am not sensitive to or allergic to.
I don't understand how what you eat could possibly debunk a theory that was not specific to you?0
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