Is there too much cardio in this program?

Jamal_Guildford

What strength routine did you do?

I do a routine based on starting strength which does 'compound' movements.
I do 3x5 for each movement and 3 different moves per session.
So I lift weight a total of 45 times in one session (+8 warm up movements per move).
Total time actual lfting weights and getting ready is well under 10 minutes. If I talk short rests, total time is maybe 25 minutes.

As it goes, I've got my own setup, so at the moment I'm in the middle of a weights session - just finished squats, warmed up on pull ups (only two as I'm in a campsite working away so no cable machine for a warm up). I'm going to set some food going and go back to do the weighted pull ups. Ten minutes out of my day for the results it gives as far as body recomposition is amazing 'value', I'd say!

I also often do a fair bit of cardio.
Having done both on their own, I'm confident the weight training is much more effective on a results per time basis for me.

I still do cardio both to burn calories so I can eat more and to improve my cardiovascular fitness.

I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

sjohnny

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I think the title says everything. Here is my new training program, what do you think of this?

You're fine if your goal is cardio endurance for sport or such. I would also find other cardio exercises, or some high intensity interval training to mix things up.

FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

He's shooting for World Champion Cardiac Enduro Sportsman.

jayliospecky

Achrya

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What strength routine did you do?

I do a routine based on starting strength which does 'compound' movements.
I do 3x5 for each movement and 3 different moves per session.
So I lift weight a total of 45 times in one session (+8 warm up movements per move).
Total time actual lfting weights and getting ready is well under 10 minutes. If I talk short rests, total time is maybe 25 minutes.

As it goes, I've got my own setup, so at the moment I'm in the middle of a weights session - just finished squats, warmed up on pull ups (only two as I'm in a campsite working away so no cable machine for a warm up). I'm going to set some food going and go back to do the weighted pull ups. Ten minutes out of my day for the results it gives as far as body recomposition is amazing 'value', I'd say!

I also often do a fair bit of cardio.
Having done both on their own, I'm confident the weight training is much more effective on a results per time basis for me.

I still do cardio both to burn calories so I can eat more and to improve my cardiovascular fitness.

I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

Whatttt? Do you mean 6 sets? If you really mean 60...why so much cardio?

JoRocka

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What are your goals?

How much are you eating?

With a cardio routine like that you will need to make sure you are eating enough or you will be breaking down muscle for energy.

I would seriously consider adding back in some strength training.

My goal is to maintain my weight. Here is my diet:

Breakfast: two toasts with peanut butter, one coffee (with sugar and milk), one tea (with sugar and milk)

Lunch: one baguette/wrap with chicken/tuna or eggs + some lettuce + dressing (Caesar salad, mayo or coronation) + diet coke + one coffee (with sugar and milk) + a treat (one spoon of peanut butter or one chocolate)
Dinner: a can of tuna or two eggs, a lot veg (around 100g of salads, or green beans or brussels roots) + dressing (caesar salad, vinaigrette, salad cream) + one hot chocolate and time to time a treat (one spoon of peanut butter or one chocolate).

How many calories does that amount to? That doesn't seem like enough calories for an endurance athlete, especially considering you are looking to maintain and not lose weight. It would not be unusual for professional athletes to consume 6000-10000 calories per day while training.

Also bear in mind that 'endurance athletes' (I assume you are thinking long distance runners or cyclists?) will have an element of strength training in their regime as strength training can help cardio performance.

unfortunately I dont have the time to do strength training, it's taking too long to work out each muscle individually. I will stick to this new training program and if I keep losing weight, I will add more food to my diet.

but 2 hrs of cardio a day is okay??

herm- me thinks you have no idea what resistance training actually entails so you are just writing it off.

you do know even top cardio endurance athlete's use weight training right?
I'd like to know about this cardio endurance sport- I'd never seen it- I'd like to watch it one day.

He's shooting for World Champion Cardiac Enduro Sportsman.

I"m so in love with this place- i heart you so hard.

Jamal_Guildford

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What strength routine did you do?

I do a routine based on starting strength which does 'compound' movements.
I do 3x5 for each movement and 3 different moves per session.
So I lift weight a total of 45 times in one session (+8 warm up movements per move).
Total time actual lfting weights and getting ready is well under 10 minutes. If I talk short rests, total time is maybe 25 minutes.

As it goes, I've got my own setup, so at the moment I'm in the middle of a weights session - just finished squats, warmed up on pull ups (only two as I'm in a campsite working away so no cable machine for a warm up). I'm going to set some food going and go back to do the weighted pull ups. Ten minutes out of my day for the results it gives as far as body recomposition is amazing 'value', I'd say!

I also often do a fair bit of cardio.
Having done both on their own, I'm confident the weight training is much more effective on a results per time basis for me.

I still do cardio both to burn calories so I can eat more and to improve my cardiovascular fitness.

I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

Whatttt? Do you mean 6 sets? If you really mean 60...why so much cardio?

Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

JoRocka

Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

lifting- you're doing it wrong.

also- you have the same time as everyone else- it's just not a priority to you.

Instead of asking a question you already think you know the answer to- why did you ask?

What difference if it's too much-you seem convinced it's the only think you have time for anyway- but it's already to much unless you're a competitive athlete training for long events- actual events.

Achrya

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What strength routine did you do?

I do a routine based on starting strength which does 'compound' movements.
I do 3x5 for each movement and 3 different moves per session.
So I lift weight a total of 45 times in one session (+8 warm up movements per move).
Total time actual lfting weights and getting ready is well under 10 minutes. If I talk short rests, total time is maybe 25 minutes.

As it goes, I've got my own setup, so at the moment I'm in the middle of a weights session - just finished squats, warmed up on pull ups (only two as I'm in a campsite working away so no cable machine for a warm up). I'm going to set some food going and go back to do the weighted pull ups. Ten minutes out of my day for the results it gives as far as body recomposition is amazing 'value', I'd say!

I also often do a fair bit of cardio.
Having done both on their own, I'm confident the weight training is much more effective on a results per time basis for me.

I still do cardio both to burn calories so I can eat more and to improve my cardiovascular fitness.

I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

Whatttt? Do you mean 6 sets? If you really mean 60...why so much cardio?

Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

You have 2 hours for cardio but no time to lift weights? Pick up Stronglifts, take 30-45 minutes to do that, and then spend 75 minutes rowing your little heart out! Easy.

Timshel_

FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

Well there ya go.

Looks a little light then and I would add in jump rope, ladder drills, and some sprints.

DavPul

Jamal_Guildford

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Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

lifting- you're doing it wrong.

also- you have the same time as everyone else- it's just not a priority to you.

Instead of asking a question you already think you know the answer to- why did you ask?

What difference if it's too much-you seem convinced it's the only think you have time for anyway- but it's already to much unless you're a competitive athlete training for long events- actual events.

I actually have a muddy trail 10k in 10 days and another 10k in May. So I may need some preparation.

JoRocka

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Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

lifting- you're doing it wrong.

also- you have the same time as everyone else- it's just not a priority to you.

Instead of asking a question you already think you know the answer to- why did you ask?

What difference if it's too much-you seem convinced it's the only think you have time for anyway- but it's already to much unless you're a competitive athlete training for long events- actual events.

I actually have a muddy trail 10k in 10 days and another 10k in May. So I may need some preparation.

you could run 2 times a week and be fine to do a 10k.

geebusuk

I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

DavPul

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Because I like it and I dont have the time to do weight lifting now.

lifting- you're doing it wrong.

also- you have the same time as everyone else- it's just not a priority to you.

Instead of asking a question you already think you know the answer to- why did you ask?

What difference if it's too much-you seem convinced it's the only think you have time for anyway- but it's already to much unless you're a competitive athlete training for long events- actual events.

I actually have a muddy trail 10k in 10 days and another 10k in May. So I may need some preparation.

you could run 2 times a week and be fine to do a 10k.

it's not a mud running 10k. it's a mud rowing 10k. the Cardio Endurance Olympics isn't for the weak of heart.

cmay89

I think weight lifting takes really a long time because you have to work out each muscle individually .... While rowing, you work out many muscle (biceps, shoulder, back and legs) in one stroke. I dont have the time to do weight lifting anymore (work and family)..... This is the reason, I was looking for an aerobic sport where I can work out my upper body: rowing seems perfect to me. I will try to weight lifting with some friends when I have time....

I am considreing adding more kcal in my diet

to the bolded part. FALSE, very very false. Ever heard of compound lifts?


Which weight lifting exercises are the best?

There is a classic combination of compound weight lifting exercises that most successful lifters used to bulk up. It’s known as the “golden five”. When most people talk about doing a “whole-body routine”, this is what they are referring to.

Exercise Name: Major Muscle Groups/ Minor Muscle Groups

Squats: Quads, hamstrings, glutes, lower back/ Lower legs, upper back, core stabilizing muscles, hip complex

Deadlifts:Grip, lower back, hamstrings, traps, back of shoulder/Lower legs, core, upper legs, isometric work for biceps, and virtually everything else

Bench press: Pecs, triceps, front of the shoulders/Serratus muscles at side of ribs, side of shouders, neck

Pullups (or rows): Lats and upper back, biceps, grip/Core, neck

Overhead pressing: Shoulders, triceps/Core stabilizing muscles, neck

And don't forget Olympic lifts (work more than one muscle as well!!)....

Either someone told you something wrong, and you believed them or you formulated your own incorrect opinion about lifting.

jofjltncb6

Are you being punished for something? What did you do to deserve this sentence???

1.5 hours on a rower? On purpose???

PBsMommy

this looks like the best program to me... Hitting the cardio and the weights real fast, literally.

Jamal_Guildford

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

_lyndseybrooke_

You found lifting boring but enjoy 1.5 hours on a rowing machine???

That's what I'm saying! I've only used a rowing machine once and I was done about ten minutes in. Yawn!

jayliospecky

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I think the title says everything. Here is my new training program, what do you think of this?

You're fine if your goal is cardio endurance for sport or such. I would also find other cardio exercises, or some high intensity interval training to mix things up.

FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

He's shooting for World Champion Cardiac Enduro Sportsman.

But he's gonna' have to beat this guy. Pretty sure he's the king of...something.

sarahstrezo

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

The one I did today. Took me 45 minutes and it was so vigorous that I had to sit in the locker room inhaling a banana just so I could make it to my car without fainting:

Heavy BB back squats
BB hip thrusters
Romanian deadlifts
Walking Lunges.

JoRocka

it's not a mud running 10k. it's a mud rowing 10k. the Cardio Endurance Olympics isn't for the weak of heart.

you owe me a new keyboard/monitor... and a story to concoct to tell my coworkers why I'm dying in my chair here- clearly I don't do enough cardio to keep up with this kind of intensity.

Iron_Feline

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FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

Well there ya go.

Looks a little light then and I would add in jump rope, ladder drills, and some sprints.

Your missing the zumba - now that's cardio - 1000 cals an hour I heard

Jamal_Guildford

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

The one I did today. Took me 45 minutes and it was so vigorous that I had to sit in the locker room inhaling a banana just so I could make it to my car without fainting:

Heavy BB back squats
BB hip thrusters
Romanian deadlifts
Walking Lunges.

So what is your definition of vigorous weight session? heavy weight? when you cant move your arms?

JoRocka

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FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

Well there ya go.

Looks a little light then and I would add in jump rope, ladder drills, and some sprints.

Your missing the zumba - now that's cardio - 1000 cals an hour I heard

let's not forget our prancersizing

sarahstrezo

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

The one I did today. Took me 45 minutes and it was so vigorous that I had to sit in the locker room inhaling a banana just so I could make it to my car without fainting:

Heavy BB back squats
BB hip thrusters
Romanian deadlifts
Walking Lunges.

So what is your definition of vigorous weight session? heavy weight? when you cant move your arms?

Well….no. None of those above mentioned exercises cause me to not be able to move my arms. A vigorous weight lifting session is one that gets your heart rate up, gets you sweating (maybe even swearing) and pushes your physical and mental limits. The amount of weight lifted and set/rep setup will be different for everyone based on their experience and goals.

jayliospecky

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FOR sport? You misheard. Cardio Endurance IS his sport.

Well there ya go.

Looks a little light then and I would add in jump rope, ladder drills, and some sprints.

Your missing the zumba - now that's cardio - 1000 cals an hour I heard

sjohnny

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

Probably something like an hour of Just Dance or wii Boxing.

jayliospecky

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I am used to do 60 sets. Each set has 15 reps. I am trying to dispatch that through all my muscle: biceps, triceps, back, forehand and shoulder. should i consider this as vigorous or general weight lifting?

I don't like doing 15 rep sets. Which is more endurance than strength by the way.
I don't mind doign 5 rep sets. As mentioned, I'd a total of 45 (full weight) reps for the WHOLE SESSION, that's it.
I don't particularly 'like' it, but nor do I dislike it and I do really like the results.

ok... just a question... What would you consider as a vigorous weight lifting session?

Probably something like an hour of Just Dance or wii Boxing.

scraver2003

This is both the funniest and most bazaar thread I have ever read.... I'm dying. :laugh: