dumping the white carbs
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I'll stick to my brown rice. Doesn't give me the munchies and dredge up that God awful joke about chinese food.
The web page I linked showed it to be pretty much a wash. EXCEPT brown rice has more fiber, thus, fits into my approach to eating better (and the OPs).
Why better cutting brown rice? It would depend on which nutrients (and which brown rice), wouldn't it?If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
The main thing to remember is that starches like white rice are not bad - due to the lack of nutrition there more neutral than anything.
If you've got calories left to spare it's not too bad to have them (unless you are particularly looking to follow a low carb diet).
http://www.rebeccablood.net/domestic/rice.html
Brown rice provides very little nutrients (less than white really).
Again brown rice is not bad for you, just offers nothing much for the calories it costs.
That said, I agree: most of the time, it's just a waste of calories. But it gives the fish something to stick to in sushi. :-)
Yes you may get a little more fibre from brown rice, but there are plenty if other sources for fibre (which come with more nutrients).
Whilst 100g of raw brown rice boost some impressive minerals and nutrients they are bound up in phytic acid and not absorbed by us.0 -
I'll stick to my brown rice. Doesn't give me the munchies and dredge up that God awful joke about chinese food.
The web page I linked showed it to be pretty much a wash. EXCEPT brown rice has more fiber, thus, fits into my approach to eating better (and the OPs).
Why better cutting brown rice? It would depend on which nutrients (and which brown rice), wouldn't it?If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
The main thing to remember is that starches like white rice are not bad - due to the lack of nutrition there more neutral than anything.
If you've got calories left to spare it's not too bad to have them (unless you are particularly looking to follow a low carb diet).
http://www.rebeccablood.net/domestic/rice.html
Brown rice provides very little nutrients (less than white really).
Again brown rice is not bad for you, just offers nothing much for the calories it costs.
That said, I agree: most of the time, it's just a waste of calories. But it gives the fish something to stick to in sushi. :-)
Yes you may get a little more fibre from brown rice, but there are plenty if other sources for fibre (which come with more nutrients).
Whilst 100g of raw brown rice boost some impressive minerals and nutrients they are bound up in phytic acid and not absorbed by us.
lol.
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I try to stay under 80/90 carbs a day period. That being said, I measure everything. So even if your husband cooks these "white" carbs, you can stay on track by measuring your portions instead of trying to eliminate them from your diet. 0
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I'm a lucky girl because my husband is a good cook and makes a lot of very healthy food (I usually have two vegetables plus salad for dinner for example). But for starch he usually makes very buttery garlic bread. That stuff is better than [name your preferred addictive substance]. So right now I'm doing a fair amount of avoiding and making my own food, like brown rice tonight instead of the bread.0
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If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption0 -
Why cut out all the white carbs if you like that type of food? The key is moderation.I've been trying to avoid white bread, rice, and pasta but this is what my husband the cook makes all of the time. We eat sliced whole wheat bread but he also serves baguettes, naan, etc with white flour. I'm the only one who eats brown rice (when I make my own) and nobody likes brown pasta. In the end I've basically x'ed out much of my starchy carbs. I don't want to be totally Atkins but this tactic does cut down on the calories. Do anyone else use this strategy?
For example, I am going for a run after work, therefore I prefer some carbs in my diet today. For lunch I am having leftovers of steamed jasmine rice,grilled zucchini, tuna, along with my homemade power bread. This type of meal usually gives me enough carb energy to run a good six miles.0 -
But, it's not the actual carbs themselves that go to your hips, it's the calorie surplus that does that.Yes I try to avoid carbs because I LOVE THEM and they in turn love my hips and butt.
I only eat Josephs whole grain wraps for sandwiches. And some tortillas. Skip all the other breads, potatoes, and rice for veggies and lean proteins.
if i cook pasta for the family I have none or whole wheat pasta. Not really a big deal to boil that up. If you cook enough veggie options you don't need the carbs.
Good luck!!!!
So, do you mean that you are hungry after eating white carbs therefore you eat more?0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?0 -
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If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?
Good question. Let's ask the experts.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/research-study-types/
ETA: this might also be helpful
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/media/0 -
My Doctor, while I do respect and appreciate his input, is a "granola" Vegan who is as skinny as a rail. I am a runner and a cyclist, eating Vegan is definitely out for me.
Call me crazy, but if you're not following a vegan diet, I wouldn't be taking nutritional advice from a vegan. Personally, I'd change doctors altogether.0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?
Good question. Let's ask the experts.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/research-study-types/
ETA: this might also be helpful
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/media/
Doesn't address how accurate self reported data and why are they the "experts"? Willet is quick to dismiss or counter studies that find results counter to his own and call out crappy datasets, yet he himself uses those same type inaccurate datasets. Hmmmm0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?
Good question. Let's ask the experts.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/research-study-types/
ETA: this might also be helpful
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/media/
Doesn't address how accurate self reported data and why are they the "experts"? Willet is quick to dismiss or counter studies that find results counter to his own and call out crappy datasets, yet he himself uses those same type inaccurate datasets. Hmmmm
And you still haven't addressed what make you more credible than the . Hmmm
He is the world's most cited nutritionist and you are .. who?0 -
If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?
Good question. Let's ask the experts.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/research-study-types/
ETA: this might also be helpful
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/media/
Doesn't address how accurate self reported data and why are they the "experts"? Willet is quick to dismiss or counter studies that find results counter to his own and call out crappy datasets, yet he himself uses those same type inaccurate datasets. Hmmmm
And you still haven't addressed what make you more credible than the . Hmmm
He is the world's most cited nutritionist and you are .. who?
Phew that must mean he's correct. How many of his recommendations have actually borne out as he said?0 -
If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.
I've read a study which showed that that the higher fiber content of the brown rice caused less protein to be absorbed.
Also, I recently read about arsenic levels high in rice, more so in brown than white as it it absorbed more by the bran.0 -
If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.
I've read a study which showed that that the higher fiber content of the brown rice caused less protein to be absorbed.
Also, I recently read about arsenic levels high in rice, more so in brown than white as it it absorbed more by the bran.
Thank you. I've heard about the arsenic levels, and something about the natural plant defenses are more present in brown rice? I don't eat a lot of rice in general anyway, so I'm not that worried about it.0 -
If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.
Most of the nutrients in brown rice are in the hull and bran and bound up with phytic acid, which as a species we do not readily absorb.
White rice does not have the same issue, although the nutrients per calorie is not that much to write home about. If you've covered your micro nutrient bases for the day then white rice is a great food to accompany most things.0 -
Mmmm....love my white carbs
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If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.
Most of the nutrients in brown rice are in the hull and bran and bound up with phytic acid, which as a species we do not readily absorb.
White rice does not have the same issue, although the nutrients per calorie is not that much to write home about. If you've covered your micro nutrient bases for the day then white rice is a great food to accompany most things.
If neither has many nutrients to absorb, then what makes white better? Why would we be better cutting out brown than white? Didn't the link you posted earlier said that phytates may prevent colon cancer?0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
The answer is always that they heard it on TV? Ridiculous!
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/
Can you can provide any type of evidence whatsoever that you or your source is more credible than the source above?
Lol #5, anyways see Holt's Satiety index and the wealth of studies on phytates on mineral absorption
Is "Lol" your only evidence that you are more credible?
Any evidence that HSPH is unware of the wealth of studies you reference? That they didn't take them into consideration? (other than lol, I mean)?
Yes, look at the studies HSPH references and how they base their recommendations. What do the observational studies actually tell us, how accurate is self reported data and thus how much credence can one put in their results?
Good question. Let's ask the experts.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/research-study-types/
ETA: this might also be helpful
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/media/
Doesn't address how accurate self reported data and why are they the "experts"? Willet is quick to dismiss or counter studies that find results counter to his own and call out crappy datasets, yet he himself uses those same type inaccurate datasets. Hmmmm
And you still haven't addressed what make you more credible than the . Hmmm
He is the world's most cited nutritionist and you are .. who?
Phew that must mean he's correct. How many of his recommendations have actually borne out as he said?
What do you mean by his recommendations actually borne out?0 -
I have cut down significantly on the whites as well. I find that eating them makes me feel too full and uncomfortable and I am usually hungry after the sugar high is gone, I eat a lot of whole grains which seem to be more satisfying without the super full feeling. My husband is a carb-a-holic and would never even consider eating brown anything so I usually make two different meals, which is fine with me. Good luck to you0
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What do you mean by his recommendations actually borne out?
That it was later confirmed by a RCT. Again what do observational studies actually tell us? And what does Willet make recommendations from?0 -
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Why are you being racists against whites?I've been trying to avoid white bread, rice, and pasta but this is what my husband the cook makes all of the time. We eat sliced whole wheat bread but he also serves baguettes, naan, etc with white flour. I'm the only one who eats brown rice (when I make my own) and nobody likes brown pasta. In the end I've basically x'ed out much of my starchy carbs. I don't want to be totally Atkins but this tactic does cut down on the calories. Do anyone else use this strategy?
Sounds like a rediculous idea. Just cut calories as a whole and dont get so picky and selective. The more you ahve to track, avoid and monitor the more likely you will be to fall off the wagoln0 -
If I said I avoid all brown carbs would it be as racist as everyone saying they avoid white carbs?
Issues with insulin or such where you need to monitor carb intake is one thing but it's pretty funny how many people avoid something because they heard on tv somewhere that they should. Ask them why and the answer is always the same.
i personally don't drive through the brown carb neighborhoods, and if i do, i make sure my doors are locked.0 -
If we are talking rice you would be better cutting out brown than white. Whilst white rice is just basically starch with very little nutrition, it is still more nutritious than brown rice, and it tastes nicer IMO.
Got anything to back this up? First time I'm hearing about it. And I like the taste of brown rice.
Most of the nutrients in brown rice are in the hull and bran and bound up with phytic acid, which as a species we do not readily absorb.
White rice does not have the same issue, although the nutrients per calorie is not that much to write home about. If you've covered your micro nutrient bases for the day then white rice is a great food to accompany most things.
If neither has many nutrients to absorb, then what makes white better? Why would we be better cutting out brown than white? Didn't the link you posted earlier said that phytates may prevent colon cancer?
We don't produce phytase which breaks down phytic acid. White rice does not have phytic acid (or certainly not to the levels of brown rice so the actual nutrients within the white are absorbed.
Also not only has phyti acid been shown in high levels not to be absorbed, because it's purpose is to bind minerals it has been shown to take mineral we already have from our body.
Phytic acid (phytate) has been shown to have cancer preventative properties, but in most articles I've seen it is being used in medicine more than in food for those purposes.0 -
I'd suggest you do what YOU want, rather than mocking others' approach and referring to it as "rediculous" [sic]. But, meh, whatever. What goes around comes around.
Why are you being racists against whites?I've been trying to avoid white bread, rice, and pasta but this is what my husband the cook makes all of the time. We eat sliced whole wheat bread but he also serves baguettes, naan, etc with white flour. I'm the only one who eats brown rice (when I make my own) and nobody likes brown pasta. In the end I've basically x'ed out much of my starchy carbs. I don't want to be totally Atkins but this tactic does cut down on the calories. Do anyone else use this strategy?
Sounds like a rediculous idea. Just cut calories as a whole and dont get so picky and selective. The more you ahve to track, avoid and monitor the more likely you will be to fall off the wagoln0
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