Just Started Keto Diet and Feeling ultra-HUNGRY!
CaiLogan
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Hey folks:
I just completed day four of my Keto diet and I feel like I could eat a horse. I thought I was suppose to feel full on this diet, but I am super hungry. What gives? My food diary is open, if anyone wants to check it out. I'm eating 65-70 percent fat, 10 percent or less of carbs, and the rest protein. I've eaten at around 2000-2100 calories a day before and never felt this hungry. My stomach is even rumbling!
I can only think of one thing: I am not getting enough fats because I get a lot of my fats from cooked meats and the meats lose fat when cooked.
That's the only theory I have at this point. Should I be drinking the fat from the pan?
Thoughts?
Help!
I just completed day four of my Keto diet and I feel like I could eat a horse. I thought I was suppose to feel full on this diet, but I am super hungry. What gives? My food diary is open, if anyone wants to check it out. I'm eating 65-70 percent fat, 10 percent or less of carbs, and the rest protein. I've eaten at around 2000-2100 calories a day before and never felt this hungry. My stomach is even rumbling!
I can only think of one thing: I am not getting enough fats because I get a lot of my fats from cooked meats and the meats lose fat when cooked.
That's the only theory I have at this point. Should I be drinking the fat from the pan?
Thoughts?
Help!
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It's hard to say without more info - height, weight etc, also you've not got a lot to lose so your deficit will be quite small. For more detailed advice I'd repost on a Keto group board with a bit more info, good luck :flowerforyou:0
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How about adding more fresh, green and coloured vegetables to your diet.
Water?
I am also following this type of diet.0 -
Are you exercising at the moment?0
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I read somewhere that you gotta get used to it. Can't remember the time it took the person who wrote it. I found the article when I searched for the Inuit Diet out of curiosity.
I've never tried that diet myself, so reaserch on fat intake vs hunger for yourself.
In my personal experience, whenever I eat too much saturated fat I always feel like I could eat a horse. I saw an experiment on pubmed relating diferent types of fat with hunger and that was what made me see it.
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You are seriously thinking about drinking the FAT FROM THE PAN?
I didn't mean to comment on this thread - just read but after reading that my comment would be why are you doing keto? Is there a particular reason for this? Did your doctor or nutritionist advise this?
...otherwise...
there are easier ways to lose weight than following an eating plan that leaves your chewing your arms off and drinking pan fat.0 -
You are seriously thinking about drinking the FAT FROM THE PAN?
I didn't mean to comment on this thread - just read but after reading that my comment would be why are you doing keto? Is there a particular reason for this? Did your doctor or nutritionist advise this?
...otherwise...
there are easier ways to lose weight than following an eating plan that leaves your chewing your arms off and drinking pan fat.
Fat from the pan - beef dripping. Mmmmmmmmm
Frying eggs in bacon fat is a good one.0 -
like anything else.....youll just have to get used to it.1
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Frying eggs in the bacon pan = perfectly acceptable use of fat.
Drinking straight from the pan = burnt lips, weird looks and possibly mental trauma to your family.0 -
Well I wouldn't recommend drinking it boiling hot.
But eating fat from the pan was a common thing in days gone by - usually spread on bread.
Have you never heard of bread and dripping - that's what it is.0 -
I've just had a look at your diary and you look like your carbs are too high for a keto type diet. If its the path you want to follow then for at least a couple of weeks you probably need to cut yoghurt, nuts, fruit etc. Good luck!0
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I've followed this type of diet and I find that upping protein more than fat helps keep me fuller longer.0
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I've just had a look at your diary and you look like your carbs are too high for a keto type diet. If its the path you want to follow then for at least a couple of weeks you probably need to cut yoghurt, nuts, fruit etc. Good luck!
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With keto feeling hungry at first is one of the symptoms you're doing the right thing0
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Well I wouldn't recommend drinking it boiling hot.
But eating fat from the pan was a common thing in days gone by - usually spread on bread.
Have you never heard of bread and dripping - that's what it is.
Sadly I remember a time when 'bread and dripping' was a perfectly acceptable tea after coming home from school and before evening meal was ready!!0 -
Low carb makes me feel starving all the time, I never feel satiated and eventually I want to binge, even though that is not something I had felt the urge to do for a long time, or usually do.
It also makes me anxious, depressed, insomniac and gives me digestive problems, so I've realised it's not for me. I need my carbs. It's not for everyone, some people love it but others can't tolerate it.
It might not be right for you. If it's making you miserable, stop.0 -
It takes at least a couple of weeks to get to that not-hungry stage. Give it time. When I was doing it I'd have to remind myself to eat.0
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I think you are eating too many carbs. I eat, on average, 10 - 15g net carbs a day. I have been using The Dissident Diet by Dawn Waldron as my guide since January this year. Not one day has gone by when I have been hungry.
Recommended food using the first 14 days includes:
Cheese, Greek Yogurt, Coconut Oil, Meat (Fish, Chicken, Duck even!)
List of zero carbs (of which you can eat however much you want) is mentioned as well as how much of certain food groups (nuts, pulses, low carb allowance) you can take in the first 14 days.
My fat intake is bordering on 130g a day, my protein intake around 70g, which puts the level of net carbs in the shade. Its a shame that MFP does not allow you to manually set the number of carbs, it only goes by percentage with 5% the minimum. On a 1500 calorie diet, that is 20g carbs!
Since January I have lost 27lb and counting
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I've just had a look at your diary and you look like your carbs are too high for a keto type diet. If its the path you want to follow then for at least a couple of weeks you probably need to cut yoghurt, nuts, fruit etc. Good luck!
I looked at a few days, and his net carbs are often lower than 30. That's not too many carbs for keto.
OP, more vegetables! Big salads, vegetable soup, mushrooms and spinach in an omelet... You'll be full.0 -
Thanks for the great information everyone!0
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I feel like you might need a tad more fiber? Seems like you had about 20+ and then it has gone down to 16-17 range. Had to go back a little ways to see before Keto. Might be other stuff but that is what i noticed anyways.0
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Four days is not very far in. It can take up to three weeks before your body keto adapts. You usually feel like hell at first (headaches, fatigue) because you body is missing that glucose. It will eventually switch over to metabolizing ketones for fuel and the hunger will be nothing but a distant memory. Drink as much water as you can stand that helps with hunger. 65-70% fat isn't bad but if you could up it to around 80 or even higher you will go in to ketosis faster. And while you can maintain ketosis with 30 grams of carbs (some can and some can't) you will take longer to go in to ketosis initially. the lower you can keep your carbs the better. under ten grams being ideal. I don't remember being hungry but i did have headaches and fatigue. your body is trying to coax you in to eating carbs with that hunger but if you can stick it out it's so worth it! the energy and appetite suppression from ketones is amazing. most people don't give this diet anywhere near enough time before judging how it works. you need to give it at least 3-6 weeks not a week or two like most do. i always put a tablespoon of butter on top of my meat (usually steak) once it's done cooking to up the fat content. i eat ranch with all my veggies, put sour cream on everything, heavy cream in my coffee...look up some keto recipes...getting your fat up really isn't as hard as you might think. macadamia nuts are like 90% fat and only one or two net carbs. try to concentrate mostly on fatty meats (70/20 ground beef, ribeye), cheeses, eggs anything to keep your carbs under 10 grams until you go in to ketosis. you will get there so much faster. you have to burn through your livers sugar storage before you will go in to ketosis and the higher your carbs are the longer that is going to take. Good luck!0
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I just looked at your food diary and you have some really good foods going on in there! avocado's and pumpkin seeds being two of my keto favorites...and bacon! One thing though...those "carb smart" products may not be as "smart" as they claim. Dreamfields was just sued for millions because their product marketed to diabetics was not "carb smart" at all. I've tried many "sugar free" products and quite a few of them have hidden sugars that spike your blood sugar. Stay away from all products labeled low carb...especially while trying to enter ketosis. If they cause a blood sugar (and thus insulin) spike they completely counteract ketosis. I've had some low carb products spike my blood sugar just as bad as real sugar! Which will also cause hunger and cravings. Get rid of those low carb products and stick to real foods and i guarantee those cravings will disappear. you could also get yourself a blood glucose meter and make sure certain foods aren't spiking you. Also, can't have more than ten carbs per meal (and i've been in ketosis for months) without a negative affect on my ketones and i saw that cinnamon bread has 18. i bet that's what causing your cravings because besides that it looks like you are right on track!0
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Lay off the Julian Bakery - Carb Zero Cinnamon (Gf) (I'm guessing that's a cinnamon roll?). It's got 27 carbs, which is a lot for a low carb diet.
Also: Edy's - Slow Churned Sugar Free Vanilla Ice Cream, and mangoes
I realize these look like reasonable snacks, but their carb content is high (for a keto diet). Stop eating these, replace those carbs/calories with vegetables. You might be able to add smaller portions of these things after your body becomes fat-adapted. But for the next month or two you should really avoid stuff like that.
When you eat something that's sweet (even if it claims 0 carbs; they usually contain artificial sweeteners), you produce insulin. Insulin tells your organs to stop burning fat and burn the glucose. When you have a heavy carb load (like a 27g cinnamon roll) the insulin sticks around for longer so even after the glucose is gone, you still can't burn fat and you feel hungry. What's more, your body is accustomed to carbs as it's primary fuel, so it doesn't quickly switch gears to burning fat.
You mentioned drinking the fat from the pan: I don't recommend that, but I do drain some of it onto my vegetables or cook vegetables in the fat after the meat is cooked.
Use these guidelines for picking your food:
- Cheese and Processed meat - less than 2 grams/serving
- Vegetables - less than 5 g per serving
- Fruit - less than 10 g per serving (eat sparingly). If you really want something like a mango, eat about a quarter of it. I love apples and used to have 1 small apple every day (22 carbs). When I realized that was a problem I chopped up the apples I had already bought and keep them in the freezer. Now if I really want apples, I weigh a few pieces so that the carb load is less than 10 g. A similar method will work for things like mangos. But you should avoid them altogether for a few weeks at least.
Avocado is good, just not all the time.
Others have already said this, but it's important, you've only been on it 4 days. It's going to take longer for your body to adapt. It took me about 4 weeks. The hunger and carb withdrawals (or "carb flu") only lasted a week, but I had other symptoms after that.
Once you get fat adapted, it will get easier.0 -
Hey there, thanks for all the great information!
In regards to the Juliana Bakery products: it's supposed to be zero net carbs--meaning that all of it is fiber. Does that still spike my blood sugar? I thought net carbs are the only thing that matters here?
And, what's the deal with artificial sweeteners?0 -
Hey there, thanks for all the great information!
In regards to the Juliana Bakery products: it's supposed to be zero net carbs--meaning that all of it is fiber. Does that still spike my blood sugar? I thought net carbs are the only thing that matters here?
And, what's the deal with artificial sweeteners?
I honestly never understood the net carbs concept. I guess this is something Atkins included in his recommendations. But the modern day low-carb top expert is Gary Taubes, and he doesn't talk about net carbs, he includes all carbs together. I suggest you read his book: Why We Get Fat.
Fiber reduces blood sugar spikes by slowing down how long it takes the food to become glucose (or something like that). So you still get all the glucose, just at a slower rate. I think this advice is good for diabetics whose blood sugar is always a bit elevated so the spikes put them into dangerous levels. I don't know if it does anything for otherwise healthy people who are just trying to lose weight. It seems to me that it would just keep insulin in your body for a longer period of time, thus preventing you from burning fat for a longer period of time. But don't take my word on that, I'm guessing.
Artificial sweeteners seem to trick your body into producing insulin, despite the fact that there's no glucose to process. While there's insulin in your body, you can't burn fat. The insulin tells all your organs to store the fat and stop using it and get ready to process glucose. So eating artificial sweeteners can make you hungry. I read in one book that insulin specifically makes you crave more carbs, but I don't understand how that works.0 -
I just remembered something else about fiber:
When a baked good advertises that it's all fiber it is probably made with grains. Whether your carb limit is 10 grams or 100, grains are either the #1 or #2 food to avoid (the other one being pure sugar). Here's why:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#axzz30uP5GLNI
and this one:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/#axzz30uP5GLNI
Pay special attention to the part about anti-nutrients, which prevent micro-nutrients from being absorbed into your body. If you're not getting enough micro-nutrients, your body will tell you that you need something - and that's another possible cause of hunger.
Unlike others, I think your total carb level is good - I just think you need to switch some of those carbs to vegetables. Some people need to reduce to 20 g or less to go into ketosis. Others can do it at 50. I've seen 50 and below called ketogenic, with the range between 50 and 100 called a "mild state of ketosis". And I have the keto-breath to prove that last part true (at 50 g/day).0 -
Hang in there; I've been keto (cycled through carb-ups and am now carb backloading) for 3 months now. I realized that I cannot do true TKD without any carb "relief" days throughout so I found a way that works for me and have finally hit my goal weight (minus 10 vanity lbs since January thanks to keto).
I LOVE LOVE LOVE keto and the way it makes me feel (satisfied and in control) and I think if you stick with it, you will, too. Just be sure to be honest with yourself if you can give up carbs for a long period of time and, if not, be proactive about carbing up and jumping right back on the keto wagon (versus burning yourself out and then giving up, going on a carb binge and feeling bad about yourself and giving up on keto). Keto has helped lean me out and solved my digestive issues like nothing else ever has!0 -
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Thread was TL;DR... sorry if I reiterate everything...
1) increase fat
2) increase electrolytes
3) increase water
4) increase low-carb/high fibre veg like spinach and broccoli
5) add powdered psyllium husk fibre or other fibre containing zero carbs
5) don't worry about counting calories until after you've kicked the hunger
This is the advice I was given by a few experienced ketoians; it worked great so now I pass it on to you :flowerforyou:
Adding powdered psyllium husk to my daily shakes reeeeeally cuts back the hunger; I've had to start adding extra cream and stuff in order to get any where near my daily calorie limit as one shake often kills hunger for at least six hours if not eight. I use roughly 6g of psyllium husk per drink, and you can add it to plain water if you don't drink shakes/smoothies... or take it in pill form. I found the pills made me constipated unless I drank 16oz of water with them.
I've had a really hard time getting smoothie recipes that fit my dietary needs, are a decent meal replacement, and that don't require all sorts of crazy powders. The site listed below I love to death. Tonnes of options and almost any recipe can be tweaked to fit any diet, including a keto diet. Adding the psyllium husk really bulks it up and aids in curbing hunger.
http://www.greenthickies.com/recipe-index/
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And here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/1494-reddit-keto If you aren't already0
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