Lifting and DOMS question....

kerryjane79

I've looked on this site and googled my question and can't find the answer to my question anywhere. So, I did my first deadlifts and squats on Friday and I've been really sore all yesterday and today. And I mean REALLY sore like I'm struggling to sit, stand, walk stairs. I think I'll just be doing them once a week to start with as I'll probably need a few more days to recover.

So, next time I do my squats and deadlifts do I stick with the same weight as last time or should I increase the weight slightly. Really not enjoying feeling as sore as this but if it's better to just push the pain I will :huh:

SezxyStef

Work through DOMS it makes them feel better.

As for if you increase that depends on the program you are on and what it indicates you should do.

spirit095

I find that stretching after lifting is key in lessening DOMS because your muscles can get really tight.

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SezxyStef

Work through DOMS it makes them feel better.

As for if you increase that depends on the program you are on and what it indicates you should do.

Just doing 5x5, trying to increase strength and retain lean muscle for now while in a deficit

in that case if you got all your reps/sets in yes increase the weight if your form was good.

Capt_Apollo

learn to foam roll.

you should be doing heavy-heavy sets of both squats and dead lifts. in my opinion, you go heavy on one, and light on the other if you want to do both of them on the same day

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pauliez0r

The good thing about DOMS is it doesn't last long, after a couple of weeks of doing your current program you'll likely find it's gone completely.

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cbhubbybubble

I'm pretty new to lifting, but I find that there's really nothing that lessens the DOMS other than time and Advil...rolling, stretching, baths, whatever...doesn't make it better for me. The pain will go away briefly if I use the muscles though...with sore legs, I go for a walk. You need to rest the muscles so they can heal, but some light activity like a walk gets blood flowing to them and they feel better for a little while. It is what it is. I have found though, that the DOMS are less each time. The more I use the muscles, the less they scream. A few months ago, I'd be struggling to walk up stairs after a few body weight squats. Now I can squat with weights and only be a little sore the next couple days. Did my first deadlifts Friday and used some new muscles, so today I'm suffering. I expect it will be better next time and each time after that.

Edit cuz I saw your comment about the Smith Machine--I don't like the smith machine. I find it makes me squat in an awkward position. No give. I much prefer the freeweight.

Brianfau

When it comes to DOMS, I have found that it doesn't matter if you go up in weight or just stay at the same level... DOMS gets less intense each time until you hardly notice it (after about three weeks of working out that muscle group for me). The real question should be about how good is form right now. If it's good, then try a higher weight, but don't sacrifice form for the higher weight.

_HeartsOnFire_

I had this happen about 2-3 weeks into SL 5x5 - my quads were killing me. I bought a foam roller. It was painful but really helped. My quads hated me for about a week and I worked thru it, I was also walking about 5 miles a day to try to help work it out. Stick with it, push thru, I didn't have any pain this week and went heavier.

SezxyStef

learn to foam roll.

you should be doing heavy-heavy sets of both squats and dead lifts. in my opinion, you go heavy on one, and light on the other if you want to do both of them on the same day

Ah foam rolls yes heard about these, sounds painful but will invest in one if helps. Might go lighter on squats then, its a smith machine so maybe the deadlift uses more muscle groups

The SL program has Squats and DL on the same day...you do your weight per your schedule regardless.

and get out of the smith machine....it is awful for your form.

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jasonheyd

Like other folks have said, foam rolling is a huge win, before and after lifting.

DOMS usually hits me after I've taken a week or two off lifting. I'll sometimes have a little soreness the day after my first lifting session, then it hits me hard two days after. I normally lift M/W/F, and after the 2nd session on Wednesday most of the soreness disappears.

Try some active stretching before the actual lifting, too (e.g. salutations to the sun, and 2 sets of 15 rep body-weight squats before your squat sets). That can really take the edge off and give you some flexibility over the DOMS pain & stiffness going into the lifting.

ETA: Agreed re: the smith machine. Good for calf raises, not much else. ;-)

ninerbuff

I find that stretching after lifting is key in lessening DOMS because your muscles can get really tight.

I've been asked this same question several times and scientific studies don't show this to be true.

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/15/1249.extract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21735398

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CHsQFjAG&url=http://www.researchgate.net/publication/51473281_Stretching_to_prevent_or_reduce_muscle_soreness_after_exercise/file/79e414faa0f7a552b8.pdf&ei=YXxvU6_9B8mNyASd_YLQAQ&usg=AFQjCNH9b_gmDBX9muaMycVQR81wIJGMww&sig2=PrdaSRlA1tztZ1I3X-q_UA&bvm=bv.66330100,d.aWw

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ninerbuff

learn to foam roll.

I usually agree with you on a lot of info, but disagree here. From my latest research (I did it last year), I've learned that massage and foam rolling doesn't reduce inflammation due to DOMS.

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evedroid

another vote on foam rolling. best. pain. ever.

edit: we werent talking about inflammation, we were talking about pain. and foam rolling does help on that issue.

jasonheyd

learn to foam roll.

I usually agree with you on a lot of info, but disagree here. From my latest research (I did it last year), I've learned that massage and foam rolling doesn't reduce inflammation due to DOMS.

I'm not sure about the inflammation but, from personal experience, it definitely helps with the stiffness and pain, especially going into a workout.

I'm not sure the lifting itself doesn't have the same effect, but those first few lifts are a lot less painful if I've taken a little time to use the foam roller beforehand, and that lets me focus on my form rather than focusing on the pain.

rgrspk60626

what's DOMS?

jasonheyd

what's DOMS?

Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. Pain you get after exercise that usually hits one to two days after the exercise.

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Capt_Apollo

learn to foam roll.

I usually agree with you on a lot of info, but disagree here. From my latest research (I did it last year), I've learned that massage and foam rolling doesn't reduce inflammation due to DOMS.

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in my own personal experience, foam rolling before a work out is a great warm up and a great way to reduce tightness in the muscles. it can also be done post work out to relieve any tightness.

hbwright74

The DOMS are temporary at best. I can almost promise you that you'll miss them. I get muscle fatigue, but DOMS rarely happen anymore. I will tell you the same thing I told my husband; protein, water, and activity. You want to rebuild what you damaged and keep blood flow going for healing. If you keep up with these 3 things DOMS will very likely be a thing of your past in the next couple weeks. Don't worry, you'll still get jelly legs and arms.

phatguerilla

I've looked on this site and googled my question and can't find the answer to my question anywhere. So, I did my first deadlifts and squats on Friday and I've been really sore all yesterday and today. And I mean REALLY sore like I'm struggling to sit, stand, walk stairs. I think I'll just be doing them once a week to start with as I'll probably need a few more days to recover.

So, next time I do my squats and deadlifts do I stick with the same weight as last time or should I increase the weight slightly. Really not enjoying feeling as sore as this but if it's better to just push the pain I will :huh:

Doing the exercises in question less often will only increase the pain of Doms, so don't do that. Try light cardio and bodyweight squats to help your muscles adapt quicker.
Here's a fairly good run down of what Doms is and what you can do about it;

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/08/what-causes-muscle-soreness-after-exercising-note-its-not-lactic-acid/

spirit095

I find that stretching after lifting is key in lessening DOMS because your muscles can get really tight.

I've been asked this same question several times and scientific studies don't show this to be true.

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/15/1249.extract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21735398

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CHsQFjAG&url=http://www.researchgate.net/publication/51473281_Stretching_to_prevent_or_reduce_muscle_soreness_after_exercise/file/79e414faa0f7a552b8.pdf&ei=YXxvU6_9B8mNyASd_YLQAQ&usg=AFQjCNH9b_gmDBX9muaMycVQR81wIJGMww&sig2=PrdaSRlA1tztZ1I3X-q_UA&bvm=bv.66330100,d.aWw

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Thanks for the links. I don't know if they actually get tight, but they just feel like they are and stretching for me reduces that feeling a bit.

in_the_stars

I've looked on this site and googled my question and can't find the answer to my question anywhere. So, I did my first deadlifts and squats on Friday and I've been really sore all yesterday and today. And I mean REALLY sore like I'm struggling to sit, stand, walk stairs. I think I'll just be doing them once a week to start with as I'll probably need a few more days to recover.

So, next time I do my squats and deadlifts do I stick with the same weight as last time or should I increase the weight slightly. Really not enjoying feeling as sore as this but if it's better to just push the pain I will :huh:

Doing the exercises in question less often will only increase the pain of Doms, so don't do that. Try light cardio and bodyweight squats to help your muscles adapt quicker.
Here's a fairly good run down of what Doms is and what you can do about it;

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/08/what-causes-muscle-soreness-after-exercising-note-its-not-lactic-acid/

You beat me to it, almost posted a very similar article.

Nissi51

Love DOMS! Makes me feel accomplished... Anyway this is not about me!

Should you go heavier? Depends on your form. If that was your first time ever lifting, them perhaps stick to the same weight, be kind to your body and increase on your third session.. Or increase on your third set next time you lift and see how you do. Increase in small increments. Remember form is key to avoiding injuring and working the targeted muscle(s) during your lifting session.

DOMS relief - sometimes a little cardio helps relieve the symptoms or some Advil. Otherwise, time will take care of it.

Welcome to lifting! Have fun

ninerbuff

learn to foam roll.

I usually agree with you on a lot of info, but disagree here. From my latest research (I did it last year), I've learned that massage and foam rolling doesn't reduce inflammation due to DOMS.

I'm not sure about the inflammation but, from personal experience, it definitely helps with the stiffness and pain, especially going into a workout.

I'm not sure the lifting itself doesn't have the same effect, but those first few lifts are a lot less painful if I've taken a little time to use the foam roller beforehand, and that lets me focus on my form rather than focusing on the pain.

Just about any type of activity that's gets blood flowing to the area will help to relieve pain and stiffness. I'm just addressing that foam rolling doesn't help with the actual recovery and reduction of inflammation from DOMS.

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