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I guess I just don't see why EVERY thread that's about an eating style other than S.A.D./IIFYM gets hijacked. Not blaming you, just wishing folks here IN GENERAL could be a little more open minded about other people's health and fitness goals.
And meanwhile, another paleo thread has been hijacked with arguing.
^^THIS^^You might want to join the Paleo/primal group here. The general forums will lead to whole lot of paleo-bashing and people telling you're stupid. Add me if you'd like.
The main boards are generally only welcoming to the S.A.D. and embrace the notion of "If it fits your macros".
Threads about alternatives to the S.A.D typically get derailed.
it's not paleo people being bashed in this thread right now
well the vegan guy who was saying that paleo is wrong and humans evolved to be the vegan is the one who hyjacked the thread, I was arguing with him.
HE spams that same crap on every thread.
and everywhere else. He's not worth arguing with.
He's just spamming this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egqf7k5Lzhk 0 -
I have provided a link for reference. The arguments developed can be accepted or rejected by the viewer. It is just a suggestion for the OP to consider without any obligation. It appears that you dont seem to respect that the OP can make their own decisions on their own AFTER considering more than one point of view. The reference may appear on more than one string because it may apply to the content in each string.0
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I guess I just don't see why EVERY thread that's about an eating style other than S.A.D./IIFYM gets hijacked. Not blaming you, just wishing folks here IN GENERAL could be a little more open minded about other people's health and fitness goals.
And meanwhile, another paleo thread has been hijacked with arguing.
^^THIS^^You might want to join the Paleo/primal group here. The general forums will lead to whole lot of paleo-bashing and people telling you're stupid. Add me if you'd like.
The main boards are generally only welcoming to the S.A.D. and embrace the notion of "If it fits your macros".
Threads about alternatives to the S.A.D typically get derailed.
it's not paleo people being bashed in this thread right now
well the vegan guy who was saying that paleo is wrong and humans evolved to be the vegan is the one who hyjacked the thread, I was arguing with him.
HE spams that same crap on every thread.
Yeah, I get what you mean.... I've seen that guy spamming other threads.... what annoys me about him is he's going round spamming this crappy diet and he won't even defend it when challenged.... he's either an expert troll or a salesman who's getting some kind of return for promoting the site while not actually believing in it (I suspect the latter)
My opinion re IIFYM is that it *is* an open minded diet and the ultimate in diet flexibility... because you can do IIFYM with whatever food you want to eat so long as the macros are balanced at the end of the day. I do IIFYM but I'd hardly describe my diet as SAD. I eat the foods I enjoy, I pay attention to my macros and micros, I do eat McDonalds sometimes, but not that often. Most of the foods I eat are British or Arab. It's unnecessary restriction that I object to... i.e. people peddling the belief that they have to omit (add any demonised food here) to be healthy, when that's just not true (the quantity matters, and it's very hard to fit large quantities of empty calorie foods into your diet and still meet your macro targets so IIFYM naturally limits portion sizes of those foods)....... but IIFYM doesn't mean people *have to* eat those foods, only that they *don't have to* deprive themselves of it (but portion control is still very necessary in order to hit your macro targets).
^^^ I'm really truly not trying to start an argument here, just an intelligent conversation!0 -
I have provided a link for reference. The arguments developed can be accepted or rejected by the viewer. It is just a suggestion for the OP to consider without any obligation. It appears that you dont seem to respect that the OP can make their own decisions on their own AFTER considering more than one point of view.
I asked you to explain your beliefs and you systematically refused to do so. I'm not sure you even understand the arguments that you claim to be supporting... or you don't really believe them.... one or the other.... simply providing a link to the same videos over and over isn't providing a reference... it's dodging the question you're being asked.
seriously, you're spamming this stuff all over the forum, yet you can't give an overview of what your beliefs are regarding this diet and the supposed evolutionary evidence it's based on, or explain why you believe it?
You'd make a really good politician, btw. You seem to be expert at not answering questions.0 -
I have provided a link for reference. The arguments developed can be accepted or rejected by the viewer. It is just a suggestion for the OP to consider without any obligation. It appears that you dont seem to respect that the OP can make their own decisions on their own AFTER considering more than one point of view.
I asked you to explain your beliefs and you systematically refused to do so. I'm not sure you even understand the arguments that you claim to be supporting... or you don't really believe them.... one or the other.... simply providing a link to the same videos over and over isn't providing a reference... it's dodging the question you're being asked.
seriously, you're spamming this stuff all over the forum, yet you can't give an overview of what your beliefs are regarding this diet and the supposed evolutionary evidence it's based on, or explain why you believe it?
You'd make a really good politician, btw. You seem to be expert at not answering questions.
Your point is quite amusing. You would rather get bogged down in minutia than look at the broader picture. The link provided has 71 parts covering many topics, and has way more detail than ever could be covered in this string. It woud seem more prudent for the OP to review the information, and perhaps ask *you* some clarifying questions rather than see the exchange opinions in this format. The link was provided as a reference and review. It is too easy to have an opinion, as your posts strongly indicate.0 -
I have provided a link for reference. The arguments developed can be accepted or rejected by the viewer. It is just a suggestion for the OP to consider without any obligation. It appears that you dont seem to respect that the OP can make their own decisions on their own AFTER considering more than one point of view.
I asked you to explain your beliefs and you systematically refused to do so. I'm not sure you even understand the arguments that you claim to be supporting... or you don't really believe them.... one or the other.... simply providing a link to the same videos over and over isn't providing a reference... it's dodging the question you're being asked.
seriously, you're spamming this stuff all over the forum, yet you can't give an overview of what your beliefs are regarding this diet and the supposed evolutionary evidence it's based on, or explain why you believe it?
You'd make a really good politician, btw. You seem to be expert at not answering questions.
Your point is quite amusing. You would rather get bogged down in minutia than look at the broader picture. The link provided has 71 parts covering many topics, and has way more detail than ever could be covered in this string. It woud seem more prudent for the OP to review the information, and perhaps ask *you* some clarifying questions rather than see the exchange opinions in this format. The link was provided as a reference and review. It is too easy to have an opinion, as your posts strongly indicate.
which state (or constituency if you're British) are you running for election in? do you have your campaign all planned out? are you going to be in a particular party or an independent? And what do you plan to do when you get elected?
A broad picture is exactly what I *AM* asking you for.... you haven't given one at all. You haven't presented any kind of picture, you're just repeatedly spamming the same link and dodging questions like a politician.
If it weren't for the fact that you're spamming links all over the forum, I'd believe you were an expert troll. But you seem to have a vested interest in spamming these links all over the forum, while you're not actually prepared to voice your actual opinion on the topic. Are you being paid to spam these links? On commission? Affiliate marketing maybe?
The OP (or anyone else) can ask me whatever he or she wants to about human evolution. I'm quite happy to answer all questions on that topic to the best of my knowledge and direct people to more comprehensive sources to further their knowledge on the subject.0 -
I have provided a link for reference. The arguments developed can be accepted or rejected by the viewer. It is just a suggestion for the OP to consider without any obligation. It appears that you dont seem to respect that the OP can make their own decisions on their own AFTER considering more than one point of view.
I asked you to explain your beliefs and you systematically refused to do so. I'm not sure you even understand the arguments that you claim to be supporting... or you don't really believe them.... one or the other.... simply providing a link to the same videos over and over isn't providing a reference... it's dodging the question you're being asked.
seriously, you're spamming this stuff all over the forum, yet you can't give an overview of what your beliefs are regarding this diet and the supposed evolutionary evidence it's based on, or explain why you believe it?
You'd make a really good politician, btw. You seem to be expert at not answering questions.
Your point is quite amusing. You would rather get bogged down in minutia than look at the broader picture. The link provided has 71 parts covering many topics, and has way more detail than ever could be covered in this string. It woud seem more prudent for the OP to review the information, and perhaps ask *you* some clarifying questions rather than see the exchange opinions in this format. The link was provided as a reference and review. It is too easy to have an opinion, as your posts strongly indicate.
which state (or constituency if you're British) are you running for election in? do you have your campaign all planned out? are you going to be in a particular party or an independent? And what do you plan to do when you get elected?
A broad picture is exactly what I *AM* asking you for.... you haven't given one at all. You haven't presented any kind of picture, you're just repeatedly spamming the same link and dodging questions like a politician.
If it weren't for the fact that you're spamming links all over the forum, I'd believe you were an expert troll. But you seem to have a vested interest in spamming these links all over the forum, while you're not actually prepared to voice your actual opinion on the topic. Are you being paid to spam these links? On commission? Affiliate marketing maybe?
The OP (or anyone else) can ask me whatever he or she wants to about human evolution. I'm quite happy to answer all questions on that topic to the best of my knowledge and direct people to more comprehensive sources to further their knowledge on the subject.
I dont see how providing reference material can be considered spam. Your opinion is just another reference. The OP can objectively evaluate all references and decide for himself his own opinion.0 -
Before you try it, perhaps you should watch all or part of a 71 part analysis of the Paleo myth. Each well referenced chapter is between approx. 4-12 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PLCC2CA9893F2503B5 .
It is quite thorough and complete, a serious tome of information not to be overlooked. Best of luck with your decision.
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Welcome to The Primitive Nutrition Series! Created by someone who was nearly seduced by the Paleo Diet idea before going vegan, these videos provide a wide-ranging response to the evolution-inspired rationale for meat eating which so many have uncritically accepted.
Ever wonder...
Will fruit make me fat? Unlikely. See 49.
Is grass-fed beef an environmentally responsible food? This opens 70.
Weren't the Eskimos healthy eating a completely animal-based diet? 27 answers this.
Isn't there great research supporting low-carb diets? 52 looks at some of it.
Were our Ice Age ancestors low-carbers? Probably not. 11 explains.
Should I trust the advice of the primitive diet gurus? Watch them all!
These videos are intended to be viewed in order, from 1 to 71. See them all and you will never again fall for a fad diet. It's time to move away from gimmickery and hype, and toward a healthy and sustainable future. Let's start something positive!
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71 parts!!!!!!
TL;DW
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You two are idiots and neither of you win this so called debate which you both suck at. You both hijacked a thread from someone who just joined MFP. I wonder if she'll be back or if you both scared her away. Get a room and fight it out there.
So joining a year ago is considered just joining? Interesting0 -
people shouldn't post on a public forum if they're frightened by people having a difference of opinion...
I have absolutely nothing against the OP. However the other guy came on this thread to say that paleo is a myth, and that everyone should be vegan instead. I was challenging that. I did not challenge anything the OP said, or anything about the paleo diet (I've done that on other threads, but not this one).
oh and by the way, welcome to the internet :flowerforyou:0 -
LOL **yawn**0
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To the OP. I wish you luck in getting yourself healthy in any way you see fit. I'm not doing Paleo but I'm always looking for support & motivation on this awesome journey. Add me if you'd like.0
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And the paleo/primal folks *choose* not to eat a certain way. They are eating *what they want*. Why does this warrant continued thread crapping day after day?
Yeah, I get what you mean.... I've seen that guy spamming other threads.... what annoys me about him is he's going round spamming this crappy diet and he won't even defend it when challenged.... he's either an expert troll or a salesman who's getting some kind of return for promoting the site while not actually believing in it (I suspect the latter)
My opinion re IIFYM is that it *is* an open minded diet and the ultimate in diet flexibility... because you can do IIFYM with whatever food you want to eat so long as the macros are balanced at the end of the day. I do IIFYM but I'd hardly describe my diet as SAD. I eat the foods I enjoy, I pay attention to my macros and micros, I do eat McDonalds sometimes, but not that often. Most of the foods I eat are British or Arab. It's unnecessary restriction that I object to... i.e. people peddling the belief that they have to omit (add any demonised food here) to be healthy, when that's just not true (the quantity matters, and it's very hard to fit large quantities of empty calorie foods into your diet and still meet your macro targets so IIFYM naturally limits portion sizes of those foods)....... but IIFYM doesn't mean people *have to* eat those foods, only that they *don't have to* deprive themselves of it (but portion control is still very necessary in order to hit your macro targets).
^^^ I'm really truly not trying to start an argument here, just an intelligent conversation!
note: I'm not paleo/primal, but I don't eat a SAD, nor do I follow IIFYM, but I DO try to respect folks on a journey to improve their health.0 -
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And the paleo/primal folks *choose* not to eat a certain way. Why does this warrant continued thread crapping day after day?
I guess I just don't see why EVERY thread that's about an eating style other than S.A.D./IIFYM gets hijacked. Not blaming you, just wishing folks here IN GENERAL could be a little more open minded about other people's health and fitness goals.
And meanwhile, another paleo thread has been hijacked with arguing.
^^THIS^^You might want to join the Paleo/primal group here. The general forums will lead to whole lot of paleo-bashing and people telling you're stupid. Add me if you'd like.
The main boards are generally only welcoming to the S.A.D. and embrace the notion of "If it fits your macros".
Threads about alternatives to the S.A.D typically get derailed.
it's not paleo people being bashed in this thread right now
well the vegan guy who was saying that paleo is wrong and humans evolved to be the vegan is the one who hyjacked the thread, I was arguing with him.
HE spams that same crap on every thread.
Yeah, I get what you mean.... I've seen that guy spamming other threads.... what annoys me about him is he's going round spamming this crappy diet and he won't even defend it when challenged.... he's either an expert troll or a salesman who's getting some kind of return for promoting the site while not actually believing in it (I suspect the latter)
My opinion re IIFYM is that it *is* an open minded diet and the ultimate in diet flexibility... because you can do IIFYM with whatever food you want to eat so long as the macros are balanced at the end of the day. I do IIFYM but I'd hardly describe my diet as SAD. I eat the foods I enjoy, I pay attention to my macros and micros, I do eat McDonalds sometimes, but not that often. Most of the foods I eat are British or Arab. It's unnecessary restriction that I object to... i.e. people peddling the belief that they have to omit (add any demonised food here) to be healthy, when that's just not true (the quantity matters, and it's very hard to fit large quantities of empty calorie foods into your diet and still meet your macro targets so IIFYM naturally limits portion sizes of those foods)....... but IIFYM doesn't mean people *have to* eat those foods, only that they *don't have to* deprive themselves of it (but portion control is still very necessary in order to hit your macro targets).
^^^ I'm really truly not trying to start an argument here, just an intelligent conversation!
note: I'm not paleo/primal, but I don't eat a SAD, nor do I follow IIFYM, but I DO try to respect folks on a journey to improve their health.
I think it's important for people to have accurate information to be able to make informed decisions. If someone's choosing not to eat something that they'd otherwise want to eat based on a misinformed idea, and they could get the same results while eating the food that they want to eat, I feel they have a right to know about it, or at least be presented with the information so they can make an informed choice for themselves... I think a lot of people feel the same way, and that's why there are a lot of arguments online, especially when it comes to unnecessarily restrictive diets. Providing people with information and alternative view points is a way of supporting people... For paleo people who genuinely don't want to eat any non-paleo foods, don't miss them, or those foods make them ill, let them eat paleo... I mean really it's their choice. People read various viewpoints then make up their own mind.
Paleo is contravertial for three reasons.... 1. vegans/vegetarians often don't like it because of the meat aspect of it.... 2. it is very restrictive and a lot of people who used to do restrictive diets then found less restriction to be more successful for them will come and say so.... 3. it's based on dodgy science (i.e. their ideas about what palaeolithic people ate are completely off base.... even if the premise that we should eat like our ancestors has some merit, what they're telling people their ancestors ate is incorrect).......... so people are going to come and argue those points. And with the intention of providing information that they feel will help some people.
I don't think most people here are inherently destructive and argumentative... more that they feel that what they have to say is helpful to other people, and so they want to put an alternative viewpoint across.
also IIFYM threads are often bombarded with posts from clean eaters accusing IIFYMers of telling people to eat nothing but junk food... I don't think there's any diet or eating style that never gets challenged or argued against on MFP. Again, their motive is the same as above, because they believe that their information is going to be helpful and improve people's health. I generally assume that motive of most people on here (with very few exceptions) even if I think their information is incorrect.
Additionally, debate and exchange of opinion is, IMO, very important for the learning process and furthering of peoples' knowledge. Just agreeing with people even when you think they're incorrect isn't helpful.0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Shweet!!!!!! my three favourite foods.0 -
LOL.These are a few of my favorites as well!I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Shweet!!!!!! my three favourite foods.0 -
I also love a diet of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables, especially brussels sprouts (my favourite vegetable) and berries (my favourite fruit)
I just also like to eat bread, chocolate and the occasional burger. and even more rarely, pasta (rare because it's hard to fit in my macros with all the other delicious food I like to eat)0 -
@neandermagnon you just like to hear yourself talk.... no references and probably cut and pasted 1000 times... lol...
OMG. This is the most epic misread of neandermagon that I have heard yet.0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Have you read the other posts? Cause I do believe there is someone here who is quite well versed in anthropology and I don't think that is what they are saying at all.0 -
Great.I also love a diet of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables, especially brussels sprouts (my favourite vegetable) and berries (my favourite fruit)
I just also like to eat bread, chocolate and the occasional burger. and even more rarely, pasta (rare because it's hard to fit in my macros with all the other delicious food I like to eat)0 -
Add me if you like. I don't track my food though. I only eat foods on the yes list. Losing nicely, feeling fantastic0
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I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Have you read the other posts? Cause I do believe there is someone here who is quite well versed in anthropology and I don't think that is what they are saying at all.
Please explain? Am I mis-interpreting the fact that the person versed in anthropology was defending a paleo/primal diet?0 -
Add me if you like. I don't track my food though. I only eat foods on the yes list. Losing nicely, feeling fantastic
What the heck is a "yes list"???0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Have you read the other posts? Cause I do believe there is someone here who is quite well versed in anthropology and I don't think that is what they are saying at all.
Please explain? Am I mis-interpreting the fact that the person versed in anthropology was defending a paleo/primal diet?
She was arguing against the point that humans were not evolved to eat meat, not paleo. Later she made the point -
"Paleo is contravertial for three reasons.... 1. vegans/vegetarians often don't like it because of the meat aspect of it.... 2. it is very restrictive and a lot of people who used to do restrictive diets then found less restriction to be more successful for them will come and say so.... 3. it's based on dodgy science (i.e. their ideas about what palaeolithic people ate are completely off base.... even if the premise that we should eat like our ancestors has some merit, what they're telling people their ancestors ate is incorrect).......... so people are going to come and argue those points. And with the intention of providing information that they feel will help some people. "
To be fair - I am familiar with the poster so it was a little clearer to me from the get go what she was arguing for or against.0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Have you read the other posts? Cause I do believe there is someone here who is quite well versed in anthropology and I don't think that is what they are saying at all.
Please explain? Am I mis-interpreting the fact that the person versed in anthropology was defending a paleo/primal diet?
She was arguing against the point that humans were not evolved to eat meat, not paleo. Later she made the point -
"Paleo is contravertial for three reasons.... 1. vegans/vegetarians often don't like it because of the meat aspect of it.... 2. it is very restrictive and a lot of people who used to do restrictive diets then found less restriction to be more successful for them will come and say so.... 3. it's based on dodgy science (i.e. their ideas about what palaeolithic people ate are completely off base.... even if the premise that we should eat like our ancestors has some merit, what they're telling people their ancestors ate is incorrect).......... so people are going to come and argue those points. And with the intention of providing information that they feel will help some people. "
To be fair - I am familiar with the poster so it was a little clearer to me from the get go what she was arguing for or against.
Yes. She is arguing FOR an educated perspective on human history, not about the pros and cons of any or all specific diets.0 -
I know this is entirely anecdotal, but I love how anyone who has studied anthropology/early hominids understands that Paleo is part of human genetics. How strictly you follow is up to you, but tell me again what's awful about cutting out processed carbohydrates?
I don't ever hear anyone *****ing about corn, the biggest legal cash crop in America, and how prevalently it's used as a filler in food that you buy because it's "easy".
It's so frustrating to hear people outrage against Paleo like it's the Atkins diet all over again.
There's a fool-proof secret to any successful diet: Be accountable and eat in moderation.
And I do so with a diet that consists of red meat, chicken, fish, fruit and vegetables.
Have you read the other posts? Cause I do believe there is someone here who is quite well versed in anthropology and I don't think that is what they are saying at all.
Please explain? Am I mis-interpreting the fact that the person versed in anthropology was defending a paleo/primal diet?
She was arguing against the point that humans were not evolved to eat meat, not paleo. Later she made the point -
"Paleo is contravertial for three reasons.... 1. vegans/vegetarians often don't like it because of the meat aspect of it.... 2. it is very restrictive and a lot of people who used to do restrictive diets then found less restriction to be more successful for them will come and say so.... 3. it's based on dodgy science (i.e. their ideas about what palaeolithic people ate are completely off base.... even if the premise that we should eat like our ancestors has some merit, what they're telling people their ancestors ate is incorrect).......... so people are going to come and argue those points. And with the intention of providing information that they feel will help some people. "
To be fair - I am familiar with the poster so it was a little clearer to me from the get go what she was arguing for or against.
Yes. She is arguing FOR an educated perspective on human history, not about the pros and cons of any or all specific diets.
Understood, thank you very much for clarifying. I also should have organized my thoughts in a more logical, coherent manner.0 -
Hi there.
I am eating gluten free and don't really eat processed sugar, definitely not processed foods- just mostly whole foods. However, I do eat dairy, which I'm not sure that all people consider paleo or not. Friend me if you would like . 0 -
And the paleo/primal folks *choose* not to eat a certain way. Why does this warrant continued thread crapping day after day?
I guess I just don't see why EVERY thread that's about an eating style other than S.A.D./IIFYM gets hijacked. Not blaming you, just wishing folks here IN GENERAL could be a little more open minded about other people's health and fitness goals.
And meanwhile, another paleo thread has been hijacked with arguing.
^^THIS^^You might want to join the Paleo/primal group here. The general forums will lead to whole lot of paleo-bashing and people telling you're stupid. Add me if you'd like.
The main boards are generally only welcoming to the S.A.D. and embrace the notion of "If it fits your macros".
Threads about alternatives to the S.A.D typically get derailed.
it's not paleo people being bashed in this thread right now
well the vegan guy who was saying that paleo is wrong and humans evolved to be the vegan is the one who hyjacked the thread, I was arguing with him.
HE spams that same crap on every thread.
Yeah, I get what you mean.... I've seen that guy spamming other threads.... what annoys me about him is he's going round spamming this crappy diet and he won't even defend it when challenged.... he's either an expert troll or a salesman who's getting some kind of return for promoting the site while not actually believing in it (I suspect the latter)
My opinion re IIFYM is that it *is* an open minded diet and the ultimate in diet flexibility... because you can do IIFYM with whatever food you want to eat so long as the macros are balanced at the end of the day. I do IIFYM but I'd hardly describe my diet as SAD. I eat the foods I enjoy, I pay attention to my macros and micros, I do eat McDonalds sometimes, but not that often. Most of the foods I eat are British or Arab. It's unnecessary restriction that I object to... i.e. people peddling the belief that they have to omit (add any demonised food here) to be healthy, when that's just not true (the quantity matters, and it's very hard to fit large quantities of empty calorie foods into your diet and still meet your macro targets so IIFYM naturally limits portion sizes of those foods)....... but IIFYM doesn't mean people *have to* eat those foods, only that they *don't have to* deprive themselves of it (but portion control is still very necessary in order to hit your macro targets).
^^^ I'm really truly not trying to start an argument here, just an intelligent conversation!
note: I'm not paleo/primal, but I don't eat a SAD, nor do I follow IIFYM, but I DO try to respect folks on a journey to improve their health.
I think it's important for people to have accurate information to be able to make informed decisions. If someone's choosing not to eat something that they'd otherwise want to eat based on a misinformed idea, and they could get the same results while eating the food that they want to eat, I feel they have a right to know about it, or at least be presented with the information so they can make an informed choice for themselves... I think a lot of people feel the same way, and that's why there are a lot of arguments online, especially when it comes to unnecessarily restrictive diets. Providing people with information and alternative view points is a way of supporting people... For paleo people who genuinely don't want to eat any non-paleo foods, don't miss them, or those foods make them ill, let them eat paleo... I mean really it's their choice. People read various viewpoints then make up their own mind.
Paleo is contravertial for three reasons.... 1. vegans/vegetarians often don't like it because of the meat aspect of it.... 2. it is very restrictive and a lot of people who used to do restrictive diets then found less restriction to be more successful for them will come and say so.... 3. it's based on dodgy science (i.e. their ideas about what palaeolithic people ate are completely off base.... even if the premise that we should eat like our ancestors has some merit, what they're telling people their ancestors ate is incorrect).......... so people are going to come and argue those points. And with the intention of providing information that they feel will help some people.
I don't think most people here are inherently destructive and argumentative... more that they feel that what they have to say is helpful to other people, and so they want to put an alternative viewpoint across.
also IIFYM threads are often bombarded with posts from clean eaters accusing IIFYMers of telling people to eat nothing but junk food... I don't think there's any diet or eating style that never gets challenged or argued against on MFP. Again, their motive is the same as above, because they believe that their information is going to be helpful and improve people's health. I generally assume that motive of most people on here (with very few exceptions) even if I think their information is incorrect.
Additionally, debate and exchange of opinion is, IMO, very important for the learning process and furthering of peoples' knowledge. Just agreeing with people even when you think they're incorrect isn't helpful.
nice one. all pretty much correct...0
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