Vegan protein

thezzz

Glad to hear you don't do Soy even if cancer is not in your familey you should not do soy its so bad for you . Are you allergic to Gluten or just sensitive ? Can you have almonds or sesame seeds ? i make a really good bar that has almond butter and almonds gluten free oats and quinoa coconut and seseme seeds in it and some honey go on Pinterest they have so many good recipes.

I don't do soy....as I said in an earlier post, breast cancer in family history. Also to peanuts and wheat. I have not found a vegan soy/peanut/wheat-free bar that has much of a protein content. Know of any?

The only energy/protein bars I've found that are vegan are Lara bars and Clif bars, but unfortunately I don't think they make any that would be suitable for you. You have a fairly limited diet so you might be best off making your own, there are tons of recipes online for all sorts of energy bars that should fit just about any diet. The good news, though, is that even if you don't find something that works, protein bars aren't a necessary part of a vegan diet. I've never had to rely on them for nutritional purposes but I've found they're often the most appealing choice as far as vegan candy goes haha.

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I'm allergic to grass, and wheat is a grass. A nurse practitioner about 25 years ago suggested I eliminate it from my diet, and I managed to get off my asthma drugs due to the dietary changes (also eliminated mushrooms).
Now, when I eat it, it is on a rare occasion. If I eat it often, I start to wheeze, and I get what I call a wheat rash around my mouth....red blotched (not hives)

thezzz

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Interesting. I hear that in small amounts, it is okay, especially if it is fermented, like they do it in Asian countries. But that the huge amounts that Americans consume it is bad.
My sister saw a holistic nutritionist (post her 3rd bout with cancer) who suggested she avoid it.

thezzz

Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.

A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.

In summer, I eat almost entirely raw fruits and vegetables. My protein intake is usually 7% or 8% by calories and it is very difficult to get anything less than this unless you really try hard. I weigh 190 pounds and I am 5'10" I have around 13-14% body fat. I have no problem at all putting on and keeping muscle.

I am a vegan nutritionist, and I am always given supplements and protein powders to try. I have tried dozens upon dozens and I have seen no difference at all in body composition. I only notice that I run out of energy quicker because I am substituting carbs for protein.

I have yet to see any studies that support a need for more protein in any human beyond that which is in a whole-foods, plant-based diet.

I notice that if my protein intake is low, I get very tired very quickly. My work is such that I need my strength...I'm a massage therapist...I cannot be sluggish and give a good session.

MzFyreKitty

I don't have any problem at all... I eat beans, quinoa, kashi go lean, tofu, soy cheeses, homemade veggie burgers, etc.
But if you are having a problem, you can get soy based (or rice, etc based) protein drinks that are vegan and include those in your vegan smoothies too especially if you are body building! I am only eating 60 of protein a day. If you know what your lean body mass is, you can calculate it and it definitely is much less than a lot of people are getting a day.
Regarding paranoia on the web regarding soy foods
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA326575

Q
Rethinking Soy?
Your last articles about soy were written almost two years ago. Since that time, there appears to be more evidence that soy should be avoided with the exception of properly fermented products, like miso and tempeh. Have you changed your opinion?


A
Answer (Published 3/12/2004)
I'm aware of Internet paranoia on the subject of soy and the contention that only fermented soy is safe to consume. That is simply not true. Some of the best forms of soy - edamame, tofu and soy nuts - are unfermented and are much more likely to help you than hurt you.

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Claims that unfermented soy foods (such as tofu and soy milk) contain toxins that block the action of enzymes needed to digest protein, and that these toxins cause pancreatic enlargement, cancer and stunted growth in animals are misleading. While soy does contain substances (trypsin inhibitors) that may adversely affect the pancreas in animals, there's no solid evidence that they cause similar problems in humans. Furthermore, trypsin inhibitors are found in all of the vegetables of the cabbage family as well as in beans other than soy.

Other concerns about soy safety focus on the following issues:

Breast cancer: Here, the idea is that high levels of isoflavones, active ingredients in soy that behave like estrogen in the body, may increase the risk of breast cancer. While high levels of isolated isoflavones may do so, it appears that the total mix of weak plant estrogens in soy protects the body's estrogen receptors. This protection may reduce the effects of excess estrogen exposure from such external sources as meats and dairy products from hormone-treated cows as well as artificial chemicals and industrial pollutants that act as foreign estrogens. Japanese women whose diets contain a lot of soy foods have only one-fifth the rate of breast cancer that occurs among Western women.
Thyroid Problems: Excess consumption of soy can affect thyroid function, but only if you have a thyroid disorder to begin with or if you're not getting enough iodine in your diet (a rare deficiency in the United States). If you take medication for hypothyroidism (low thyroid), and are concerned about the effect of eating two daily servings of soy, have your thyroid levels checked regularly.
Mineral absorption: The idea that substances in soy called phytates block absorption of essential minerals is also in circulation, but there is no scientific data suggesting that soy consumption leads to mineral deficiency in humans.
All told, based on the evidence to date, I see no reason to worry about eating soy foods, whether fermented or not. I still recommend consuming one to two servings of soy per day, an amount equivalent to one cup of soy milk, or one half cup of tofu, soy protein (tempeh) or soy nuts.

Andrew Weil, M.D.

Janette3x4

Beans, beans and beans. Cliff bars, nuts and seeds. Any leafy green. I too have this problem, but I also think that the protein guidelines are inflated. I get roughly 65 grams per day. You may be younger and need more. There are protein powders without soy at most all Natural Food Stores. Look at labels caefully though.

Good luck, and nice to meet you fellow plant based eater!

VeganCappy

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Interesting. I hear that in small amounts, it is okay, especially if it is fermented, like they do it in Asian countries. But that the huge amounts that Americans consume it is bad.
My sister saw a holistic nutritionist (post her 3rd bout with cancer) who suggested she avoid it.

Yes, and cancer rates in Asian countries are much lower than in "Westernized" nations. There is so much misinformation about it that most practitioners will tell people to avoid it purely for liability reasons. However, there is zero evidence that soy increases cancer rates, and a lot of evidence to suggest it actually reduces cancer rates.

seashel812

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Interesting. I hear that in small amounts, it is okay, especially if it is fermented, like they do it in Asian countries. But that the huge amounts that Americans consume it is bad.
My sister saw a holistic nutritionist (post her 3rd bout with cancer) who suggested she avoid it.

Yes, and cancer rates in Asian countries are much lower than in "Westernized" nations. There is so much misinformation about it that most practitioners will tell people to avoid it purely for liability reasons. However, there is zero evidence that soy increases cancer rates, and a lot of evidence to suggest it actually reduces cancer rates.

what about soy being a goitrogen

MzFyreKitty

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

I would like to hit a "like" button for you!:)

VeganCappy

Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.

A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.

In summer, I eat almost entirely raw fruits and vegetables. My protein intake is usually 7% or 8% by calories and it is very difficult to get anything less than this unless you really try hard. I weigh 190 pounds and I am 5'10" I have around 13-14% body fat. I have no problem at all putting on and keeping muscle.

I am a vegan nutritionist, and I am always given supplements and protein powders to try. I have tried dozens upon dozens and I have seen no difference at all in body composition. I only notice that I run out of energy quicker because I am substituting carbs for protein.

I have yet to see any studies that support a need for more protein in any human beyond that which is in a whole-foods, plant-based diet.

I notice that if my protein intake is low, I get very tired very quickly. My work is such that I need my strength...I'm a massage therapist...I cannot be sluggish and give a good session.

I can guarantee you that it is not the protein. Protein does not increase strength unless you stress the muscles over time and allow the protein to rebuild. Eating more protein simply does nothing for the muscles and is actually bad for the body because it has to excrete it. The body doesn't even like using protein for energy unless it has no other choice.

I would guess that it is more about overall calories as vegan protein sources are usually very high in calories when compared to fruits and vegetables. Try eating more and see if that does the trick.

There may also be a psychological aspect. A few studies done with athletes showed that when given a smoothie and told it had protein powder, the participants claimed they felt stronger after consuming it despite whether it actually had protein powder or not.

VeganCappy

Beans, beans and beans. Cliff bars, nuts and seeds. Any leafy green. I too have this problem, but I also think that the protein guidelines are inflated. I get roughly 65 grams per day. You may be younger and need more. There are protein powders without soy at most all Natural Food Stores. Look at labels caefully though.

Good luck, and nice to meet you fellow plant based eater!

Gas, gas, gas. You wouldn't want to be around me after beans:)

They are highly inflated. Like most guidelines, they are listed for the worse case scenario. For example, someone with an absorption problem. But that is so extremely rare, we all shouldn't be adjusting our diets to compensate for that tiny faction of the population. If someone has it, they have probably been identified at a young age.

VeganCappy

[/quote] what about soy being a goitrogen
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There are many goitrogens and they all have a very small effect on iodine uptake. If you have low iodine, that would be the first step to correct any thyroid issues. BTW, this is a very common issue because our farming has depleted out soil of iodine and most people are deficient since table salt has been put on the "avoid" list. Kelp is a great source of iodine without all the sodium. Or you can always supplement.

If you are at risk of developing a goiter, then goitrogens might need to be avoided. But very often, a correction of low iodine is sufficient to get the thyroid working properly. 9 out of 10 goiters are from iodine deficiency.

seashel812

what about soy being a goitrogen
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There are many goitrogens and they all have a very small effect on iodine uptake. If you have low iodine, that would be the first step to correct any thyroid issues. BTW, this is a very common issue because our farming has depleted out soil of iodine and most people are deficient since table salt has been put on the "avoid" list. Kelp is a great source of iodine without all the sodium. Or you can always supplement.

If you are at risk of developing a goiter, then goitrogens might need to be avoided. But very often, a correction of low iodine is sufficient to get the thyroid working properly. 9 out of 10 goiters are from iodine deficiency.
[/quote] It's seems there is a lot of controversy regarding soy with one person saying one thing and another person saying something entirely different lol. There was a vegetarian coworker who ate a lot of soy and she started having thyroid problems...I don't know if that is connected but I just remember hearing how it's bad for your thyroid

rushmama5

I think protein guidelines are inflated. Loren Lockman helped me understand about food
combining and optimal absorption. He's a bit too thin for me( he's into water fasting too)
but I did find I could use some of his info. My energy and digestion has been awesome since
learning this stuff. His methods are different from mainstream vegan perhaps. beans have to
be cooked so you loose enzymes and we don't digest em raw, right? Same with grains. They're
both acid forming (like hamburger) but you can eat them sprouted with optimal digestion. If you
get swings and feel starved for protein,perhaps digestion could be enhanced? Also- given the
right stuff the body can make protein(from leaves and nuts etc. not beans and rice)Oh wow I
sound like a know-it-all, sorry. Hope something was helpful

gringuitica

Quinoa is wonderful. Have you tried nutritional yeast? It's pretty high in protein, and makes a great creamy sauce. Good for the quinoa!

rushmama5

I did tons of soy for awhile and had noticeable breast tenderness. Did some research; edema me
or also soy milk made with whole soy beans seems to be a better choice and in moderation. I
read that the natural estrogens are too readily accessible when the beans are made into "soy protein isolate"
Don't know effects on other gender or other aged people. I am coming to think that the best is raw, whole food.
Now I grow my own soy beans!

rushmama5

So glad you covered this! Word needs to get out about it. Protein needs take care of themselves when digestion is OPTIMAL.
You can even eat a meal of just one thing. May sound boring but your body wakens to the clarity of it. Its kind of hard to express.
but your body is so amazing it sends everything you need to fully utilize the one thing,but send it a mix and there is some scrambling, waste and storage(fat) even possibly with "healthy foods" if combined poorly. I don't know if this helps any. I saw a
cool quote today "we are all just walking each other home"

JoeyFrappuccino

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Do you have any sources for the studies that found that soy is protective against cancer? I eat soy by the bucketful and constantly hear all sorts of nonsense about it. I've long since dismissed the ridiculous phytoestrogen paranoia but I haven't found anything conclusive about cancer, so I've been more or less neutral about it.

VeganCappy

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Do you have any sources for the studies that found that soy is protective against cancer? I eat soy by the bucketful and constantly hear all sorts of nonsense about it. I've long since dismissed the ridiculous phytoestrogen paranoia but I haven't found anything conclusive about cancer, so I've been more or less neutral about it.

Here is one about isolates which, ironically, are the most demonized soy product.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798082

SherryTeach

Yeah...soy is out on a regular basis, as there is breast cancer in my family history, so I eat it sparingly. I have a protein powder that I like...Juvo...but I just don't want a shake every day. I often like a warm breakfast, and my lunches and dinners are often brought and eaten during my work day (I have an odd schedule) so a shake during mid-day doesn't always work.
I'm allergic to wheat, and can only eat it on a rare occasion, so Seitan is out, as are a lot of the bars that have a higher protein content, as they usually contain wheat, spy, or peanuts
I wish Lenny and Larry's would make those brownies and cookies gluten free, as they are tasty.

I use casher butter or sunflower butter, but they are so high in fat, I eat them sparingly (try for no more than 1 serving a day) because I like avocados and coconut oil and prefer to get my fats that way.

I do eat almonds every day. Again, really trying to keep my fats in check, so I don't want to overdue the nuts either.

I was just going to say that eating too much soy can be a major health issue.

I know, I'm difficult. Try being me. haha

I was just going to say that eating too much soy can be a major health issue.

thezzz

So glad you covered this! Word needs to get out about it. Protein needs take care of themselves when digestion is OPTIMAL.
You can even eat a meal of just one thing. May sound boring but your body wakens to the clarity of it. Its kind of hard to express.
but your body is so amazing it sends everything you need to fully utilize the one thing,but send it a mix and there is some scrambling, waste and storage(fat) even possibly with "healthy foods" if combined poorly. I don't know if this helps any. I saw a
cool quote today "we are all just walking each other home"

Thank you for justifying my meals that consist off a bunch of asparagus sprinkled with nutritional yeast.

JoeyFrappuccino

Soy: GMO soy is bad. GMO anything is bad. Soy is extremely healthful. There has never been ANY link to soy and breast cancer or any cancer at all. If anything, soy is protective against cancer. If you are worried about the phytoestrogens in soy, you shouldn't eat any beans, most nuts and seeds, carrots, onions, broccoli, or even beer. The war against soy is propaganda from the meat and dairy industry because an increase in soy consumption caused soy prices to increase which made it more expensive to feed to cows, and soy was also being used to replaced many meat and dairy products.

And dairy contains REAL estrogen and has been strongly linked to cancer growth, but people will chose dairy over soy. This is the power of propaganda.

Do you have any sources for the studies that found that soy is protective against cancer? I eat soy by the bucketful and constantly hear all sorts of nonsense about it. I've long since dismissed the ridiculous phytoestrogen paranoia but I haven't found anything conclusive about cancer, so I've been more or less neutral about it.

Here is one about isolates which, ironically, are the most demonized soy product.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798082

Thank you! Interesting to see that it really does seem more likely to be protective. There's a lot of misinformation about soy so I'll have to show this to the next person who inevitably brings it up.

VeganCappy

A plant-based diet in general has been demonized by the meat, dairy, and egg industries. This is why so many people on this board are overweight, unhealthy, and can't stop talking about a LCHF diet and how great it is despite the fact that they are destroying their long term health for a little weight loss, of which they have a very high probability of gaining back.

The euphoria from ketosis makes people think they are doing their body good, but as Doug Lisle explains in "The Pleasure Trap", what feels good in modern society is very likely bad for us. If you don't know what I am taking about, here is a Ted Talk video of him explaining humans addiction to food.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX2btaDOBK8

The truth of it is that if you can make people feel good while continuing with most of their bad habits, you can sell a ton of books. If you tell most people they actually have to work at becoming healthy and it won't be easy, they call you a quack and go shove their faces full of animal flesh while taking a bunch of pills, and watching TV. I am a nutritionist and personal trainer, and it is so incredibly hard to break through this brainwashing.

Raclex

Ignore protein. It is the biggest myth in all of nutrition. It is near impossible to not get enough protein if you are getting enough calories.

A human baby will grow 300% in its first two years of life consuming only mothers milk. Human breast milk is around 4.5% protein by calories. Never in your life will you need more protein then in your first two years of life.

In summer, I eat almost entirely raw fruits and vegetables. My protein intake is usually 7% or 8% by calories and it is very difficult to get anything less than this unless you really try hard. I weigh 190 pounds and I am 5'10" I have around 13-14% body fat. I have no problem at all putting on and keeping muscle.

I am a vegan nutritionist, and I am always given supplements and protein powders to try. I have tried dozens upon dozens and I have seen no difference at all in body composition. I only notice that I run out of energy quicker because I am substituting carbs for protein.

I have yet to see any studies that support a need for more protein in any human beyond that which is in a whole-foods, plant-based diet.

^This!

OK, maybe late to answer, but I totally agree with you. I got demolished last week for posting something very similar and everyone had their 2 cents, especially non-vegetarians/vegans. it was all vegan propaganda - so they said.

Seriously, there are plenty of vegan/vegetarian successful athletes out there that build and retain loads of lean mass. This website is a wonderful source of information as far a vegetarian athletes go:

http://www.nomeatathlete.com/vegetarian-diet-athletes/

I add hemp protein to my breakfast smoothie and with good mix of nuts and sheep/ goat cheese (on occasion as I am intolerant to bovine protein in general) I always manage to fit in at least 57-70 grams a day.


*Edited as I answered in the quoted box :embarassed: *