Five Reasons Why This Dietitian Hates Calorie-Tracking Apps

Deadlay
Deadlay Posts: 135 Member
From the Huffington Post. Interesting article and I have my own opinion but I just put this out for people to read and come to their own conclusion. I'm not going to debate it because this is an internet forum and any debate on it will digress into an argument about cats or whether Han Solo actually shot first.

1. Your body doesn't work like that.

Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

2. You can lose your hunger cues.

Some people, upon learning that they have used up their calorie allowance for the day, are instantly fake-hungry. As in, psychologically, not physiologically, hungry because they know that food is off limits. It's the same when the tracker shows a few calories left at the end of the day: some of us would feel compelled to consume them, even if we weren't hungry. Hunger cues were given to us by nature for a reason. Calorie tracker apps have a bad way of messing with them.

3. Exercise doesn't erase a day of poor choices.

Some apps give you a 'net calories' figure, which are the calories left after the app subtracts the calories burned from all sorts of activities. These 'net calories' are the only ones that count towards your daily calorie total. I hate to say it, but that's the epitome of oversimplification. You can't eat a crap diet (or massive amounts of food in general) and then burn the calories off like that, it's just not the way things happen. If you don't believe me, look up 'gaining weight while training for a marathon'. At some point, you've got to stop eating so much, even if you're doing a crazy amount of activity.

4. Predictions made by calorie counting apps may cause you to want to chuck your phone at the wall.

How in the world does the app know what you're going to weigh in a month if you continue eating as you did that day? Does it know the inner workings of your metabolic rate? Does it have a crystal ball? Who knows, but some apps sure feel confident about predicting massive gain or loss of weight based on one day of eating, and those random predictions sure make some people feel anxious as hell. That's not healthy, that's totally faulty.

5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

This all being said, some people love these apps and do well with them. I would say that if you think they're great, go ahead and use them. In my practice, however, I'm going to err on the side of safety and not recommend them, because I never know who will take them to the extreme. And extreme is very hard to come down from.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/abby-langer/calorie-tracking_b_5428908.html
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  • richardheath
    richardheath Posts: 1,276 Member
    Meh. Sounds like an angry rant from someone who couldn't actually figure out how to use something like MFP to lose weight. A calorie counter is just a tool. You still have to do the hard work yourself.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    That article actually rings pretty true for me. I have had much better success by listen to my body's cues than with tracking.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    From the Huffington Post. Interesting article and I have my own opinion but I just put this out for people to read and come to their own conclusion. I'm not going to debate it because this is an internet forum and any debate on it will digress into an argument about cats or whether Han Solo actually shot first.

    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

    2. You can lose your hunger cues.

    Some people, upon learning that they have used up their calorie allowance for the day, are instantly fake-hungry. As in, psychologically, not physiologically, hungry because they know that food is off limits. It's the same when the tracker shows a few calories left at the end of the day: some of us would feel compelled to consume them, even if we weren't hungry. Hunger cues were given to us by nature for a reason. Calorie tracker apps have a bad way of messing with them.

    3. Exercise doesn't erase a day of poor choices.

    Some apps give you a 'net calories' figure, which are the calories left after the app subtracts the calories burned from all sorts of activities. These 'net calories' are the only ones that count towards your daily calorie total. I hate to say it, but that's the epitome of oversimplification. You can't eat a crap diet (or massive amounts of food in general) and then burn the calories off like that, it's just not the way things happen. If you don't believe me, look up 'gaining weight while training for a marathon'. At some point, you've got to stop eating so much, even if you're doing a crazy amount of activity.

    4. Predictions made by calorie counting apps may cause you to want to chuck your phone at the wall.

    How in the world does the app know what you're going to weigh in a month if you continue eating as you did that day? Does it know the inner workings of your metabolic rate? Does it have a crystal ball? Who knows, but some apps sure feel confident about predicting massive gain or loss of weight based on one day of eating, and those random predictions sure make some people feel anxious as hell. That's not healthy, that's totally faulty.

    5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

    Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

    This all being said, some people love these apps and do well with them. I would say that if you think they're great, go ahead and use them. In my practice, however, I'm going to err on the side of safety and not recommend them, because I never know who will take them to the extreme. And extreme is very hard to come down from.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/abby-langer/calorie-tracking_b_5428908.html

    My answer to this is that sane people of average intelligence shouldn't have difficulty with any of this.

    I hesitate to speculate on the proportion of them in the population.
  • CoolDad67
    CoolDad67 Posts: 324 Member
    Like a previous poster said, it's just a tool.

    I use the tool to help hold me accountable and to make me think about what I'm putting in my mouth.

    If used properly, any tool can be used to do the job it's made for. If used incorrectly, the tool will just make a mess.

    BTW, Han Solo's cat shot first. :tongue:
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member

    BTW, Han Solo's cat shot first. :tongue:

    Wrong.

    ...these are not the robots that you seek...
  • Fiercely_Me
    Fiercely_Me Posts: 481 Member
    Criticizing calorie tracking is one thing, but not providing alternative solutions is far from helpful.
  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
    5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

    Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

    I agree with this. When it becomes obsessive, it's just not fun anymore.
  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
    You still have to do the hard work yourself.

    Egg-zackly
  • ItsCasey
    ItsCasey Posts: 4,021 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0
  • the_great_beyond_
    the_great_beyond_ Posts: 157 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0

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    No more posts required.
  • PinkCupcakes84
    PinkCupcakes84 Posts: 235 Member
    In....this should get good
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0

    I would reply "Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner"

    But I'm not sure I could afford "dinner" for you :flowerforyou:
  • bm920
    bm920 Posts: 114 Member
    science proves the first point to be complete BS the rest is up to the individual. If they cant track without turning into a retard then that their own fault.
  • sbarella
    sbarella Posts: 713 Member

    My answer to this is that sane people of average intelligence shouldn't have difficulty with any of this.

    I hesitate to speculate on the proportion of them in the population.

    QFT
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

    Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

    I agree with this. When it becomes obsessive, it's just not fun anymore.

    The thing is:
    - It doesn't have to become obsessive
    - Last year, I learned that I naturally tend to slightly undereat and then periodically refeed when relying on hunger cues. Paired with the endurance exercises I gravitate toward/am "good" at, it's a recipe for losing lean mass.
  • BinaryPulsar
    BinaryPulsar Posts: 8,927 Member
    I find it quite helpful. Of course it's not 100% accurate, but it's still more accurate than not tracking, and I don't care because I'm not obsessive about it, leading to my next point that you can do this without being obsessive.
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
    you mean a DIETITIAN would hate a calorie counting app?

    NO WAY!


    Dietitans count on people needing THEIR services. I"m sure they aren't happy about losing clients who have found they can do this *kitten* for free.
  • seltzermint555
    seltzermint555 Posts: 10,740 Member
    That article actually rings pretty true for me. I have had much better success by listen to my body's cues than with tracking.

    Total opposite for me.

    Back when I listened to my body I got to my heaviest weight (123 lb heavier than I am now)

    I basically never feel hungry, and always feel hungry. I could always go for a donut or Twix or a beef and cheese burrito because it tastes good and gives me a fleeting yet pleasurable "high". I could go for seven different flavors of macaron right after dinner, always. I could also just sit at home messing about on the internet and reading and not eat anything for 16 hours and be like "oh yeah I should eat". Hunger cues aren't part of my makeup, apparently.

    So for me...I am better off counting calories.
  • So_Much_Fab
    So_Much_Fab Posts: 1,146 Member
    I will say that I experienced #2 on a number of occasions - as soon as my daily calories were almost used up my brain would go "ZOMG! NEED MOAR FOOD!!" even though I clearly did not.
  • IPAkiller
    IPAkiller Posts: 711 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0
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  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0

    *fistbump*
  • Mr_Bad_Example
    Mr_Bad_Example Posts: 2,403 Member
    A good rule of thumb that I follow...

    It it's on the Huffington Post, it's dumb.
  • Fiercely_Me
    Fiercely_Me Posts: 481 Member
    Five reasons why this calorie-tracking individual hates dietitians:

    1. They think that just because their clients are morons, everyone else must be, as well.

    2. They think that just because their clients are liars, everyone else must be, as well.

    3. They don't understand that sugar from an Oreo is the same as sugar from a banana.

    4. They demonize food instead of focusing on the real problem.

    5. They play the "obsession" card in a poorly-disguised attempt to discredit people who are actually able to manage their weight successfully with free calorie-tracking apps and without paying for the services of a dietitian.

    # of lbs I've lost using a calorie-tracking app: 113
    # of years I've kept it off: 3 and counting
    # of dietitians whose help I've required: 0

    Bingo!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    I'm not going to debate it because this is an internet forum and any debate on it will digress into an argument about cats or whether Han Solo actually shot first.

    So you post this on a calorie-counting website and expected no debate?
    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

    Studies have proven that a diet filled with junk food, like Twinkies and Big Macs, can still lead to weight loss if a calorie deficit is created so this is just bogus. MFP has never promised you a way to track a healthy diet. Only that you can eat what you want and lose weight. Which is accurate.
    2. You can lose your hunger cues.

    Some people, upon learning that they have used up their calorie allowance for the day, are instantly fake-hungry. As in, psychologically, not physiologically, hungry because they know that food is off limits. It's the same when the tracker shows a few calories left at the end of the day: some of us would feel compelled to consume them, even if we weren't hungry. Hunger cues were given to us by nature for a reason. Calorie tracker apps have a bad way of messing with them.

    This doesn't even make sense. When you are hungry, you will feel hungry. There may be some psychological components to hunger cues, but I am under the impression that you would have to train yourself mentally to do this.
    3. Exercise doesn't erase a day of poor choices.

    Some apps give you a 'net calories' figure, which are the calories left after the app subtracts the calories burned from all sorts of activities. These 'net calories' are the only ones that count towards your daily calorie total. I hate to say it, but that's the epitome of oversimplification. You can't eat a crap diet (or massive amounts of food in general) and then burn the calories off like that, it's just not the way things happen. If you don't believe me, look up 'gaining weight while training for a marathon'. At some point, you've got to stop eating so much, even if you're doing a crazy amount of activity.

    No. It doesn't. But calorie-tracking apps, like MFP, do not promise you that exercise will erase poor choices so...
    4. Predictions made by calorie counting apps may cause you to want to chuck your phone at the wall.

    How in the world does the app know what you're going to weigh in a month if you continue eating as you did that day? Does it know the inner workings of your metabolic rate? Does it have a crystal ball? Who knows, but some apps sure feel confident about predicting massive gain or loss of weight based on one day of eating, and those random predictions sure make some people feel anxious as hell. That's not healthy, that's totally faulty.

    This statement here seems to specifically be targetting MFP as this is one of its features. I haven't used other apps so I'm not sure if it is relevant to most or all of them, but after using the app awhile, it doesn't take a genius to figure out the relative uselessness of that feature and to discontinue using it.
    5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

    Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

    This is true for some. But this is also the method that most doctors and nutritionists recommend for weight loss so... I'm at a loss again.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    1. whatever tiny differences in energy burn it takes to digest different foods is a) tiny and b) not enough to screw up your results and c) if the calorie estimate given by the counter is off by enough to mess with your results, then it's not because of the foods you eat, but because it's just a calculator that gives you an estimate based on averages and not everyone is average, and.... guess what!!!.... you can adjust your calorie goal based on real world results.... that's what I did because MFP and most calorie calculators underestimate my BMR because I have a high lean body mass for my height. No biggie... it's not difficult to do... if you're not losing at the desired rate then subtract a couple of hundred calories from your goal and see how that goes, if you're excessively hungry then add a couple of hundred calories to your goal and see how that goes. Adjust until you find the ideal number where you're losing fat slowly and steadily (the desired rate depends on how much you have to lose) and are not constantly hungry.

    2. I didn't lose my hunger cues. In fact, quite the opposite. Pre calorie counting I was in a cycle of accidental undereating (i.e. not feeling hungry even though I hadn't eaten anywhere near enough food) followed by rebound overeating (when my appetite came back it came back with avengence and I'd eat too much and gain weight)... that's what got me obese. Calorie counting basically taught me what normal portion sizes are and got me in the habit of eating a certain amount of food daily, i.e. the right amount of food for me. These days, having reached my goal weight, so long as I pay attention to macros (i.e. enough protein and fat and not going OTT on carbs) I can maintain my weight *without tracking* and these days I only track when cutting... not when bulking or maintaining.

    3.
    You can't eat a crap diet (or massive amounts of food in general) and then burn the calories off like that, it's just not the way things happen.

    Oh but yes you can and yes that is just the way things happen. Because Homo erectus.... basically, we eat food to give us energy to be able to do stuff. That's how animals work. The whole entire animal kingdom. Not even just Homo erectus... Granted if you eat *too much* you store the excess energy as fat, but *newsflash*....... that's what the calorie counting app is for.... so we eat the right amount of calories.... and none of it gets stored as fat......... so yeah, you eat food, it gives you energy to do stuff, and as you do stuff the energy gets burned off (if we want to be technical, it isn't actually burned off, it's converted into other forms of energy such as kinetic energy and thermal energy, but none of these are fat so all is cool (well thermal energy is warm rather than cool but you get what I mean))...

    4. yes this is true, the predictions are silly. Does anyone actually take them seriously though? Personally I like to laugh at just how wrong they are, like them telling me I'll gain weight when I'm actually steadily losing weight on that amount of calories. Really, people can't take this info with a pinch of salt? People won't get that it's just an estimate based on averages, like the calorie goal number, and put them into context?

    5. It can indeed. As can the systematic avoidance of foods deemed to be "unclean" as evidenced by people who obsessively avoid huge numbers of different foods because they fear toxinz or whatever it is they fear in them.... so, I guess the human race is doomed then, because you have to do *something* to create a calorie deficit, and whatever method you use could be taken to ridiculous extremes by some people.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

    Studies have proven that a diet filled with junk food, like Twinkies and Big Macs, can still lead to weight loss if a calorie deficit is created so this is just bogus. MFP has never promised you a way to track a healthy diet. Only that you can eat what you want and lose weight. Which is accurate.

    To be honest, I check my micros all the time on MFP. It's one of the areas where I think they beat Weight Watchers cold - I've been driven to MUCH healthier options with the feedback MFP provides.
  • ritan7471
    ritan7471 Posts: 99 Member
    From the Huffington Post. Interesting article and I have my own opinion but I just put this out for people to read and come to their own conclusion. I'm not going to debate it because this is an internet forum and any debate on it will digress into an argument about cats or whether Han Solo actually shot first.

    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories are calories and when I count them, I lose, when I don't, I don't lose. It doesn't seem to make a difference whether I'm counting Oreo calories or broccoli calories.

    2. You can lose your hunger cues.

    My hunger cues (or lack of them) got me into this mess. When I'm out of calories, I decide. Keep eating or stop for the day.

    3. Exercise doesn't erase a day of poor choices.

    Who said it did?

    4. Predictions made by calorie counting apps may cause you to want to chuck your phone at the wall.

    I think it's a stupid feature of MFP but I don't want to chuck my phone at the wall, nor do I feel like it's a crazy maker. I just say, "sure, sure, in 5 weeks I could lose 3 kilos, whatever" and move on.

    5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

    I agree that it could, but that's disordered eating. Fortunately, it hasn't become a problem for me. I'm just glad I have a tool to help keep me on track.

    6. I agree with the guy who said if it's on HuffPost, it's stupid. Just a bunch of other people's opinions, and everyone's got one!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

    Studies have proven that a diet filled with junk food, like Twinkies and Big Macs, can still lead to weight loss if a calorie deficit is created so this is just bogus. MFP has never promised you a way to track a healthy diet. Only that you can eat what you want and lose weight. Which is accurate.

    To be honest, I check my micros all the time on MFP. It's one of the areas where I think they beat Weight Watchers cold - I've been driven to MUCH healthier options with the feedback MFP provides.

    Yeah, but I was pointing out that MFP can't be held accountable for your choices. No one really can. That doesn't mean that you can't lose weight eating whatever you want.
  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    Huffington Post strikes out again
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
    1. Your body doesn't work like that.

    Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

    Studies have proven that a diet filled with junk food, like Twinkies and Big Macs, can still lead to weight loss if a calorie deficit is created so this is just bogus. MFP has never promised you a way to track a healthy diet. Only that you can eat what you want and lose weight. Which is accurate.

    To be honest, I check my micros all the time on MFP. It's one of the areas where I think they beat Weight Watchers cold - I've been driven to MUCH healthier options with the feedback MFP provides.

    Yeah, but I was pointing out that MFP can't be held accountable for your choices. No one really can. That doesn't mean that you can't lose weight eating whatever you want.

    Absolutely, but they do a pretty nice job of tracking a healthy diet if you use the tool the way it was intended. It does a phenomenal job at tracking macros and that means nothing in the face of my ability to choose my diet. Perhaps that's why I don't get obsessive: I treat MFP as a learning tool rather than some sort of limitation. If I'm really hungry and over my macros, I'll eat a snack to support my micros.