pre-diabetic and protein

eslcity
eslcity Posts: 323 Member
in Fitness and Exercise
Hello, I have been lifting and using protein shakes to boost my protein intact...

However, a few months ago (5 or 6months) I registered slightly high glucose levels on separate visits... however, with exercise and weight loss my doctor has not seen any farther problems..

yet i worry about protein.. I know this site should not take the place of a medical doctor... and I will take any advice given to me with that knowledge... nevertheless i would like to see what others think...

I am averaging anywhere between 120 to 175 grams of protein a day...

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  • Shaky44
    Shaky44 Posts: 214 Member
    What is your average percentage calories from carbs, protein, fat?
  • JesterMFP
    JesterMFP Posts: 3,596 Member
    I don't understand the question... are you worrying that you're getting too much protein? Or not enough?
  • kdeaux1959
    kdeaux1959 Posts: 2,675 Member
    You said that there have been no further problems since losing weight? If this means that your numbers came down within normal limits, then it is likely that your glucose level has leveled off due to weight loss. In that case then Protein levels as one within normal limits. Otherwise, I am really not that sure about protein and glucose correlation.
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    to clearify my thoughts... I have heard that too high protein can cause problems with the kidneys ... so i'm worried that since diabetes is a failure in the kidneys that protein powder may cause an issue later on...

    ... percentage i'm working for

    is protein at 40% Carbs 35% and fats 25%

    and i'm averaging around those numbers each week..
  • JamesDanek
    JamesDanek Posts: 95 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    I put my protein high because i am trying to gain muscle....and know protein is the building blocks of muscles... ^^

    and thank you for clearing up my confusion...

    I have a little hard time talking to anyone..... one on one because i live in korea...

    I am managing carbs and sugar ... but not as much as I should or could i aspect....

    --ms
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    The concern is both around insufficient production of insulin (and not failure to produce as OP is pre-diabetic) and/or Insulin Resistance or the inability to properly respond to the insulin being released.

    40% protein may not be high - one should look at actual objectives in grams which @ 120-175 g (as the OP posted) are fine. I would not recommend a reduction in protein percent without an overview of total calories.

    If you want to manage your pre-diabetic condition, the best general protocols usually include:
    - lose weight
    - increase activity, specifically resistance training with the objective of improving body composition and reducing body fat.

    Overall weight loss with a focus on retaining muscle (LBM) and exercise cannot be stressed enough to reduce the risk of developing diabetes from a pre-diabetic state.
  • Helloitsdan
    Helloitsdan Posts: 5,564 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    The concern is both around insufficient production of insulin (and not failure to produce as OP is pre-diabetic) and/or Insulin Resistance or the inability to properly respond to the insulin being released.

    40% protein may not be high - one should look at actual objectives in grams which @ 120-175 g (as the OP posted) are fine. I would not recommend a reduction in protein percent without an overview of total calories.

    If you want to manage your pre-diabetic condition, the best general protocols usually include:
    - lose weight
    - increase activity, specifically resistance training with the objective of improving body composition and reducing body fat.

    Overall weight loss with a focus on retaining muscle (LBM) and exercise cannot be stressed enough to reduce the risk of developing diabetes from a pre-diabetic state.

    To add to this, excellent advice btw, OP should look at manipulating blood sugar around training to take advantage of insulin sensitivity.

    So on a training day if OP has 200g carbs to eat, taking in 50% post workout then the rest throughout the day.
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    The concern is both around insufficient production of insulin (and not failure to produce as OP is pre-diabetic) and/or Insulin Resistance or the inability to properly respond to the insulin being released.

    40% protein may not be high - one should look at actual objectives in grams which @ 120-175 g (as the OP posted) are fine. I would not recommend a reduction in protein percent without an overview of total calories.

    If you want to manage your pre-diabetic condition, the best general protocols usually include:
    - lose weight
    - increase activity, specifically resistance training with the objective of improving body composition and reducing body fat.

    Overall weight loss with a focus on retaining muscle (LBM) and exercise cannot be stressed enough to reduce the risk of developing diabetes from a pre-diabetic state.

    My calorie intake is around 1400 sometimes slightly under or slightly over... never less then 1300... I do exercise mostly everyday... cardio at least one hour... and lift weights one hour.. I am mainly trying to lose weight... at the same time preserve muscle..
  • Iron_Feline
    Iron_Feline Posts: 10,750 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    The concern is both around insufficient production of insulin (and not failure to produce as OP is pre-diabetic) and/or Insulin Resistance or the inability to properly respond to the insulin being released.

    40% protein may not be high - one should look at actual objectives in grams which @ 120-175 g (as the OP posted) are fine. I would not recommend a reduction in protein percent without an overview of total calories.

    If you want to manage your pre-diabetic condition, the best general protocols usually include:
    - lose weight
    - increase activity, specifically resistance training with the objective of improving body composition and reducing body fat.

    Overall weight loss with a focus on retaining muscle (LBM) and exercise cannot be stressed enough to reduce the risk of developing diabetes from a pre-diabetic state.

    My calorie intake is around 1400 sometimes slightly under or slightly over... never less then 1300... I do exercise mostly everyday... cardio at least one hour... and lift weights one hour.. I am mainly trying to lose weight... at the same time preserve muscle..

    Do you eat back your exercise calories because that is low for a man?
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    Today... I worked out for 1hour walked and Elliptical Trainer--- according to MFP it was 660 burn... being a teacher MFP puts me at 1200 Calories ...and I ate 1500Calories
  • Iron_Feline
    Iron_Feline Posts: 10,750 Member
    Today... I worked out for 1hour walked and Elliptical Trainer--- according to MFP it was 660 burn... being a teacher MFP puts me at 1200 Calories ...and I ate 1500Calories

    I personally think that is too low - especially as you are now closer to your goal. (congrats on that)

    Have a read of this link:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1175494-a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants

    I'm 5'1, 35 and lose on 1600-1800 a day. I really don't think you should be eating less than me.

    You may also want to consider adding in some strength training if you want to keep your muscle mass.
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    ok... i changed my weight lose to .5 kg a week and see what happens.... it gave me a new goal of 1600.

    I will see what happens... i never even thought about changing the numbers...
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    @Iron I do weight lift 4days a week...and cardio 7days a week... since I do cardio with my 11year old daughter who has a weight problem... (48% BF)
  • Iron_Feline
    Iron_Feline Posts: 10,750 Member
    @Iron I do weight lift 4days a week...and cardio 7days a week... since I do cardio with my 11year old daughter who has a weight problem... (48% BF)

    Ah, missed that sorry.

    I think that is a good rate for loss for these last few kg.

    Good luck :drinker:
  • BigGuy47
    BigGuy47 Posts: 1,768 Member
    ... with exercise and weight loss my doctor has not seen any farther problems..
    So no problems then? Keep doing whatever it is you're doing. No need to worry for the sake of worrying.
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    Even with the 1200 and low calorie intake I have not lost any weight for over a month...not sure the reason.. I am hoping it is muscle weight... since like I said have not lost weight... according to the scale... however,

    i went from 21%BF to 17.5%BF...
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    @BigG: Even so i am going to schedule another blood test.... to keep an eye on it... better safe then sorry...
  • hookilau
    hookilau Posts: 3,134 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    I think what the OP is eluding to is gluconeogenesis (which is the process by which the body will turn protein into glucose as needed). I'm T2D and even though my blood glucose levels are all within normal range (fasting in the 90's & post meal never getting higher than 120 mg/dl with a casual BG of about 105-110 mg/dl) but I have to be careful about the amount of protein I eat.

    Too much jacks up my BG. OP...do some research about low carh diets to manage pre-diabetes and by extension, keto for T2D. Lots of encouraging things going on there.

    and 'back to front' :laugh: :laugh:
    I haven't heard that phrase in eons :wink: Made me smile:blushing:

    edited for clarity
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    @hook: I think you are hitting the nail on the head..... and I am thinking my Carbs are a little high.... I try to limited my white or processed wheat and rice... intake...

    I eat bread (muti-grain) mainly for breakfast... toast with peanut butter... and skim milk..

    I will do more research on low carb diet.... but it is kind of hard living in Asia since every meal has to have some sticky rice... with it.

    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    I think what the OP is eluding to is gluconeogenesis (which is the process by which the body will turn protein into glucose as needed). I'm T2D and even though my blood glucose levels are all within normal range (fasting in the 90's & post meal never getting higher than 120 mg/dl with a casual BG of about 105-110 mg/dl) but I have to be careful about the amount of protein I eat.

    Too much jacks up my BG. OP...do some research about low carh diets to manage pre-diabetes and by extension, keto for T2D. Lots of encouraging things going on there.

    and 'back to front' :laugh: :laugh:
    I haven't heard that phrase in eons :wink: Made me smile:blushing:

    edited for clarity
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    To be honest.... all the remarks have got me thinking... in a positive way... and i'm glad i asked my question here... since i'm getting a lot of advice i'm not getting here (in korea)...

    since I don't have lot of people I can bounce things off of...

    Thanks...

    --ms
  • richardheath
    richardheath Posts: 1,276 Member
    You have it back to front. Diabetes is not a failiure of the Kidneys. Diabetes is a failiure of the Pancreas to produce insulin.

    It can cause kidney failiure (and Blindness and amputation and lots of other nasty stuff) if fully developed and not managed properly.

    40% protein seems a little high in any case but your primary focus should be on managing your carb and sugar intake to minimise your risk of full blown type 2.

    Consulting a dietician would probably be your best bet. however I would suggest trying 40% fat 30% Protein and 30% carbs and keeping your sugar to a reasonable level.

    The concern is both around insufficient production of insulin (and not failure to produce as OP is pre-diabetic) and/or Insulin Resistance or the inability to properly respond to the insulin being released.

    40% protein may not be high - one should look at actual objectives in grams which @ 120-175 g (as the OP posted) are fine. I would not recommend a reduction in protein percent without an overview of total calories.

    If you want to manage your pre-diabetic condition, the best general protocols usually include:
    - lose weight
    - increase activity, specifically resistance training with the objective of improving body composition and reducing body fat.

    Overall weight loss with a focus on retaining muscle (LBM) and exercise cannot be stressed enough to reduce the risk of developing diabetes from a pre-diabetic state.

    This is all true!

    I try to get about the same amount of protein as you, and it works fine for me. My blood sugar seems happy with that amount. I would recommend you get a glucose meter so you can check yourself. I find I can eat some white rice with a meal that includes fat and protein. I don't do low carb, but I do have to watch portion sizes of rice and bread.

    Too much protein is really only an issue if you already have kidney issues. Assuming you don't, you should be fine.

    Gaining muscle is going to be hard on such a severe deficit though. For the best results, you really need to be in a calorie surplus to gain. I'd love to bulk, but the idea of adding more body fat (a necessary side effect of bulking) keeps me from doing it. So my plan is to keep lifting at maintenance and hope for a slow body recomposition.

    For the record, I'm 5'11" and maintaining on about 2100 (although I don't log anymore).
  • eslcity
    eslcity Posts: 323 Member
    @Richard:
    At this time i'm not looking to bulk... I'm first worried about losing the fat... I will bulk up later.. after the fat is gone down to at least 15%... i'm at around 18% according to measurements at the gym...

    not sure how accurate they are.... but i figure I use different methods and get the same answer it has to be close..

    I was thinking about getting glucose monitor... they are cheap... just strips can be a bugger.


    -ms

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