Question concerning "Calorie in, calorie out."
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Whats the point in losing all that weight if you're still unhealthy?
Doesn't make sense to me, but tha'ts just my opinion.0 -
Your body will think it's starving and burn your glycogen.... reserving your fat......0
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Yes, it is about calories in/calories out but it is so much more. It is about fuel and what "grade" of fuel you use. My views on food have changed so much since starting this. Yes, I still have the things I like but in moderation. I want to fill my fuel tank with something that is going to give my body the nutrients it needs. It's kind of like a car...you wouldn't put oil in the gas tank nor would you put water in the oil tank. Too much fat and carbs will not give you the nutrients you need for your body to operate at full potential. Eating poorly can also cause us to get sick. Our body needs nutrition to fight off everything from colds to cancer. It's your body. How do you want to fuel it?0
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What?Your body will think it's starving and burn your glycogen.... reserving your fat......
I think what she meant is that if you're inactive and you under-eat, it's more efficient for your body to canabolize (spelling?) muscle tissue because it's not being under-used than it is to use fat tissue that your body may have to tap into in a state of starvation.0 -
There is nothing wrong with pizza rolls (or anything else for that matter), but your body will not thank you if nutrient poor food is all you have. Why not balance things out by having your pizza roll or whatever you like to indulge in as a snack, or just an occasional dinner? Ask yourself: why are you trying to lose weight?
Is it for health? What you are eating is the exact opposite of healthy.
Is it for looks? What you are doing will leave you looking skinny fat, just a smaller version of your current self.
Increase your protein and vegetables, and have a bigger variety of food trying out different recipes every now and then. Eating the same food every day means you are not getting the full spectrum of micronutrients (vitamins and minerals)0 -
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The only deal with not eating "too much" fat, whatever that is to you, is that it has more calories per gram. But if you stay within your calorie limit, no reason to eat less fat. A lot of people (including me) find that having a decent amount of fat (I aim for 30%) tends to make them feel more full, so actually makes it easier to stay within calorie limits. Also, there are benefits to having a particular amount of protein and many active people especially feel better with more carbs, so you have to figure out what balance works for you.
When I mentioned "fat", I meant the recommended amount recommended on MFP.
That's what I assumed you meant. The recommended percentages of the various macros is a pretty flexible thing, however--there are a wide variety that would be considered fine. I think MFP provides goals to try and help people have a balanced diet, but you can set custom goals and a lot of people think that the protein and fat goals are too low (or can be too low depending on you and on the number of calories you eat).
One thing is that it's kind of weird to do it by percentage vs. total grams. Clearly 20% protein is a much smaller number of total protein at 1200 calories than 2000 calories, and yet someone dieting doesn't need less protein--probably the opposite. And the lower fat number MFP gives probably has more to do with the 50% (if memory serves) carb number than with avoiding fat. Lots of people think it's best to treat the protein and fat numbers as minimums with the carbs number as more whatever is left over within your calories after you at least make the minimums of the others. And others change MFP's goals to alternative quite acceptable macro goals that works better for me. I like 40-30-30, since 30% protein means that I will eat as much as I think is good for me even at the lowest calories I might eat in a day (no exercise calories to eat back that day), and because I do better on lower carbs than MFP recommends (though 40% is obviously not low carb), unless I'm working out a lot that day, and then I use my exercise calories more for healthy carbs.
Point is that there's no magic to the MFP macro goals that make them best for weight loss. People are sometimes scared of fat, and other than the fact that it has higher calories there's no reason to be. Especially when stuff like egg yolks are good for you.0 -
Your body will still burn fat. Starvation is a very very long way away. And the truth is almost no one here will see that point. If the person is sedentary and protein intake is to low then you will see some atrophy but your body will not just start storing fat and burning muscle.
What?Your body will think it's starving and burn your glycogen.... reserving your fat......
I think what she meant is that if you're inactive and you under-eat, it's more efficient for your body to canabolize (spelling?) muscle tissue because it's not being under-used than it is to use fat tissue that your body may have to tap into in a state of starvation.
That is true, but if muscles are not being used and adequate protein is not being consumed more catabolism of muscle tissue will be experienced. Here's an interesting excerpt I grabbed from a published study. In-short, you should definitely "mind" your macros during a "diet" if you want to preserve as much muscle as possible.
Caloric restriction is one of the most efficient ways to promote weight loss and is known to activate protective
metabolic pathways. Frequently reported with weight loss is the undesirable consequence of fat free (lean muscle)
mass loss. Weight loss diets with increased dietary protein intake are popular and may provide additional benefits
through preservation of fat free mass compared to a standard protein, high carbohydrate diet. However, the precise
mechanism by which a high protein diet may mitigate dietary weight loss induced reductions in fat free mass has
not been fully elucidated. Maintenance of fat free mass is dependent upon nutrient stimulation of protein synthesis
via the mTOR complex, although during caloric restriction a decrease (atrophy) in skeletal muscle may be driven by
a homeostatic shift favouring protein catabolism. This review evaluates the relationship between the macronutrient
composition of calorie restricted diets and weight loss using metabolic indicators. Specifically we evaluate the effect
of increased dietary protein intake and caloric restricted diets on gene expression in skeletal muscle0 -
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I'm almost 100 % sure that we are both saying the same thing.
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.If one consumes too much fat on a consistent basis, wouldn't that perhaps stop weight loss even if calories are not over consumed?
I have only seen mentioning of that too high sodium levels might make them retain water weight, never anyone mentioning the too high fat consumption? It must have some affect?
No, not at all. It is calorie in/calorie out. In fact, the Keto and Atkins diets are high fat/low carb and people have reported weight loss success on that.
Sodium makes me retain water like crazy, but my diet is 30% fat. and I've done fine.0 -
If you're eating at a calorie restriction you'll lose weight. Depending on HOW you restrict your calories and your level of activity will affect your outcome. Meaning, do you lose more muscle and become skinny-fat, or do you maintain a larger percentage of muscle mass and look healthy?
You don't want to restrict fat calories too much, as they are important in various aspects of hormone support and regulation. I believe the minimum recommendation is 20%. For the men out there, but in this day of low-T issues we especially need to watch our fat intake and make sure we are eating in that 20% to 30% range.0 -
Just to be clear, losing weight DOES have decent health benefits.
Eating the same food you have done previously, but being at a lower weight quite possibly offers more health benefits than eating so called 'healthy' food buy staying at a higher weight.
Citation please.Well enjoy that manly-er heart attack.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.0 -
Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.0 -
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Very true. Doctor Mauro Di Pasquale noted in one of his books (Metabolic Diet - ?) that he observed triglycerides actually increased in higher carbohydrate / low fat diets than in higher fat / low carb diets. Heck, cholesterol itself is a pre-cursor to testosterone production. Am I advocating keto diets, no I'm not. The point is that macro-nutrients play an important role in how your body functions and some care should be taken when on a calorie restriction.0 -
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.0 -
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.
LOL, pizza is high in every macro-nutrient that's why it's such a high-calorie food. Obviously, a pizza diet is not ideal for one's health but if he needs to eat 2K cal or less a day to lose weight and he doesn't eat past that, then he'll likely lose weight. His overall health and well-being will probably suck. Good chance his bad cholesterol and possibly blood pressure will be high because of his poor food choices. His body composition will not be good, that is guaranteed.0 -
I have bread, cheese and pasta everyday but mixed up with fruit, veggies, meat. Try to learn to balance your meals a bit more without depriving yourself from what you love eating.0
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the menu above is not just fruits veggies and chicken and honestly sounds tastier than pizza rolls (yuck). Working in retail isn't really working out.Where's the protein its all carbs?
here's what I typically eat: (1600 calories): about 130g protein, 57g fat, 170 g carb macros 40/30/30
Breakfast: peanut butter oatmeal, 5 egg white omelet, 1 cup almond breeze vanilla iced coffee
Lunch: salad with 6 oz chicken, nuts, feta cheese, 1 tbsp. ranch dressing and 1 piece of fruit
Dinner: 3/4 cup rice, 6 oz chicken and 2 cups of veggies
Snack: 200 calories whatever I want (usually icecream or popcorn)
I've tried eating like that but I can't do it. I get sick after eating that for awhile. Plus I can't stick to it.
I like my pasta, my beer, cheese.
I lost about 47 pounds a few summers ago eating and maintaining a 900 calorie a day diet and doing heavy daily cardio. But I've gained about 20 of it back since then.
Eating nothing but fruits, veggies and chicken all day every day is not a realistic thing for me. It's just not and it never will. I'm too accustomed to processed foods.0 -
Oh, I have nothing against pizza, which may be macro nutrient, but it is also high in fat. I quoted because I understand why the poster asked for citations on the "heart attack" comment. I don't understand the heart attack comment either.
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.
LOL, pizza is high in every macro-nutrient that's why it's such a high-calorie food. Obviously, a pizza diet is not ideal for one's health but if he needs to eat 2K cal or less a day to lose weight and he doesn't eat past that, then he'll likely lose weight. His overall health and well-being will probably suck. Good chance his bad cholesterol and possibly blood pressure will be high because of his poor food choices. His body composition will not be good, that is guaranteed.0 -
As long as im taking in less calories than I'm burning per day I'll lose weight right?
My daily diet looks something like this:
Breatkfast = cinnamon oatmeal + coke zero (no calories)
lunch = salad or sometimes ill get a turkey and cheese sandwhich with some chips and a water
dinner = like 10 pizza rolls and a coke
With all of this combined I still have about 20 calories left over. Mind you, this is with "Lightly Active" highlighted as well, and I work in a fast paced retail envrionment getting cardio so i don't need to go to the gym really. And I don't always eat like that either, my breakfast is always oatmeal and water or some 0 calorie drink. Lunch is often healthy too, usually a salad or something nutritious, but my dinner is always something that satisfies any cravings i might have which helps me stay on track.
Thoughts?
Seriously, to hell with the bizarre nutrition elitists. Eat whatever you want, just less of it, and you'll lose weight. Whatever works for you. The self righteous judgements can take a hike.
Eventually, if your goals transition away from pure weight loss to overall healthful nutrition, the nutrition info will be more relevant to you.0 -
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.
Pizza is not a solely high fat diet. It's a high fat/high carbohydrate food.
My "heart attack" comment was in relation to someone eating an overall horrendous, processed diet that's high in sodium, high in carbohydrate, and high in oils that are counter productive to heart health. It's his overall horrendous diet that has a higher risk for cardiovascular issues, not a safe, healthy high fat diet.
"Fat" didn't even cross my mind when I created that post. I was talking about the overall poor nutritional profile of this person's diet.0 -
Thanks for the clarification.
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.
Pizza is not a solely high fat diet. It's a high fat/high carbohydrate food.
My "heart attack" comment was in relation to someone eating an overall horrendous, processed diet that's high in sodium, high in carbohydrate, and high in oils that are counter productive to heart health. It's his overall horrendous diet that has a higher risk for cardiovascular issues, not high fat.
"Fat" didn't even cross my mind when I created that post.0 -
You're welcome.0
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Reevaluate your goals. Eating like that might allow you to n lose weight but that doesn't make it a good idea. You have no fruits, no vegetables and you obviously don't put thought into macronutrients. 10 pizza rolls and coke is not a dinner. You are not 5 years old and it's time to start eating like an adult.
I may not eat like an adult but atleast I act like one.
You should try it sometime. It's nice.
Hate people like you.
You are called an askhole.0 -
As long as im taking in less calories than I'm burning per day I'll lose weight right?
My daily diet looks something like this:
Breatkfast = cinnamon oatmeal + coke zero (no calories)
lunch = salad or sometimes ill get a turkey and cheese sandwhich with some chips and a water
dinner = like 10 pizza rolls and a coke
With all of this combined I still have about 20 calories left over. Mind you, this is with "Lightly Active" highlighted as well, and I work in a fast paced retail envrionment getting cardio so i don't need to go to the gym really. And I don't always eat like that either, my breakfast is always oatmeal and water or some 0 calorie drink. Lunch is often healthy too, usually a salad or something nutritious, but my dinner is always something that satisfies any cravings i might have which helps me stay on track.
Thoughts?
Seriously, to hell with the bizarre nutrition elitists. Eat whatever you want, just less of it, and you'll lose weight. Whatever works for you. The self righteous judgements can take a hike.
Eventually, if your goals transition away from pure weight loss to overall healthful nutrition, the nutrition info will be more relevant to you.
Telling someone who flat out said they get "sick" when eating nutritious foods, and considered processed junk "manly-er", that they could run into serious health issues eating a diet where boxed pizza rolls are the main event is not being a "bizarre nutrition elitist".
It's called being a concerned human being.
What if somebody came on here and said they "hate" most foods and were planning to eat a diet comprised of nothing but Snickers bars and coke. Would yo be a "bizarre nutrition elitist" for suggesting that while they can lose weight, that might not be the best idea for their health?0 -
Oh, I have nothing against pizza, which may be macro nutrient, but it is also high in fat. I quoted because I understand why the poster asked for citations on the "heart attack" comment. I don't understand the heart attack comment either.
Well, the OP said he enjoys manlier foods such as pizza and cheese, which are high in fat, and you told him to enjoy that heart attack.Citation please.
As others have suggested - fat doesn't make you fat, calories do.
Who said fat makes you fat? Dude I live a lifestyle of a HIGH FAT diet, lol.
LOL, pizza is high in every macro-nutrient that's why it's such a high-calorie food. Obviously, a pizza diet is not ideal for one's health but if he needs to eat 2K cal or less a day to lose weight and he doesn't eat past that, then he'll likely lose weight. His overall health and well-being will probably suck. Good chance his bad cholesterol and possibly blood pressure will be high because of his poor food choices. His body composition will not be good, that is guaranteed.
I guess one can argue that the % of saturated fats in pizza (topping dependent) would be greater and likely to have greater negative effect on one's bad cholesterol. Not sure... not going to take the time to look that one up. Any sensible person can determine for health's-sake that there are some things you should eat more regularly and some things should be eaten less frequently.0 -
As long as im taking in less calories than I'm burning per day I'll lose weight right?
My daily diet looks something like this:
Breatkfast = cinnamon oatmeal + coke zero (no calories)
lunch = salad or sometimes ill get a turkey and cheese sandwhich with some chips and a water
dinner = like 10 pizza rolls and a coke
With all of this combined I still have about 20 calories left over. Mind you, this is with "Lightly Active" highlighted as well, and I work in a fast paced retail envrionment getting cardio so i don't need to go to the gym really. And I don't always eat like that either, my breakfast is always oatmeal and water or some 0 calorie drink. Lunch is often healthy too, usually a salad or something nutritious, but my dinner is always something that satisfies any cravings i might have which helps me stay on track.
Thoughts?
Seriously, to hell with the bizarre nutrition elitists. Eat whatever you want, just less of it, and you'll lose weight. Whatever works for you. The self righteous judgements can take a hike.
Eventually, if your goals transition away from pure weight loss to overall healthful nutrition, the nutrition info will be more relevant to you.
Telling someone who flat out said they get "sick" when eating nutritious foods, and considered processed junk "manly-er", that they could run into serious health issues eating a diet where boxed pizza rolls are the main event is not being a "bizarre nutrition elitist".
It's called being a concerned human being.
What if somebody came on here and said they "hate" most foods and were planning to eat a diet comprised of nothing but Snickers bars and coke. Would yo be a "bizarre nutrition elitist" for suggesting that while they can lose weight, that might not be the best idea for their health?
It was specifically a CICO weight loss question. Not a nutritional question.
This place is dogmatic, and I can see how it would be frustrating to get an answer about B when asking a question about A.0 -
If he was eating the same foods but more of them, his overall health will probably improve.His overall health and well-being will probably suck.
As also seen by the McDonalds/twinkie guys - you can make your diet have 'worse' foods, but lose weight and still improve health.
In this case I believe he's just reducing the amount of the same foods.
Of course, it'd be better if he made loads of life changes at once, also solved the world's energy problems and stopped all cruelty to women and children.
BUT... a lot of people fail when they set goals they won't reasonably be able to meet, so small steps are often a better bet to long term success.0
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