Creatine and Apple Cider Vinegar.

nads1012

I was just wondering, can you mix the 2 together in a glass, or should you have them at different times of the day? Or do they have negative effects when taken together?

navyrigger46

What's the vinegar for?

Rigger

psuLemon

What are you even trying to achieve?

nads1012

I've starting a ketogenic way of eating and apparently it helps to lower glucose levels and therefore sugar cravings. I'm a woman and I want to achieve fat loss and look a bit more ripped. Cos just lifting and eating well ain't getting me there.

navyrigger46

I've starting a ketogenic way of eating and apparently it helps to lower glucose levels and therefore sugar cravings.

Cider vinegar accomplishes that how? And why the creatine then?

Rigger

Aaron_K123

Well putting creatine in acid would probably cause it to be protonated which would likely cause a ring cyclization and dehydration to form creatinine. That reaction is probably reversed upon returning to a neutral or basic pH though so probably accomplishes nothing.

Sounds like it would be horrible to drink though.

ETA: Actually looks like creatinine which would be formed under acidic conditions is just excreted by the body via the kidneys and is not utilized

http://learn.quinnipiac.edu/at/faculty/hs/alsmith/creatine_creatinine_equilibrium.html

nads1012

Ok thanks, will try it at different times of the day.

If anybody else has an idea how to push it a bit more apart from creatine, keto diet and 2x2hr a week in the gym. And no I don't wanna spend more time there cos I'll get obsessed with it.

Just need a bit more muscle and a bit less fat. Stuck.

Aaron_K123

Ok thanks, will try it at different times of the day.

If anybody else has an idea how to push it a bit more apart from creatine, keto diet and 2x2hr a week in the gym. And no I don't wanna spend more time there cos I'll get obsessed with it.

Just need a bit more muscle and a bit less fat. Stuck.

Creatine doesn't build muscle. Vinegar doesn't lower blood sugar. I think you are being bamboozled.

juggernaut1974

Just need a bit more muscle and a bit less fat.

Lift more/lift heavier.

Neither vinegar nor creatine will accomplish this.

nads1012

Creatine gives you energy to life heavier, no? What does it do then?

mustgetmuscles1

Strength training with adequate nutrition will help you retain/build muscle.

Creatine may give you a strength and endurance boost but it is not needed and wont do anything if you are not doing the first two things.

ACV wont do anything.

psuLemon

Creatine gives you energy to life heavier, no? What does it do then?

Here is a good article.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/VD_creatine.htm

Aaron_K123

Creatine gives you energy to life heavier, no? What does it do then?

My understanding is that creatine helps some with energy to maintain intensity during a weight lifting routinue and that it recruits water to the muscle which aids in the pump and eventual repair. That is what I have heard anyways. Of course some people feel that caffeine gives them more of an edge as well.

That said creatine isn't what builds muscle, lifting heavy things while eating more calories than your body needs to maintain its weight is what builds muscle. If taking creatine allows you to pump out one more rep per exercise then yeah it'll help but if the two key ingredients are missing "heavy lifting and caloric surplus" you aren't going to build muscle just because of creatine.

That is all I meant. I'm not saying creatine is useless but if it has an effect it isn't a dramatic one.

Aaron_K123

Strength training with adequate nutrition will help you retain/build muscle.

Creatine may give you a strength and endurance boost but it is not needed and wont do anything if you are not doing the first two things.

ACV wont do anything.

yeah this.

nads1012

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

psuLemon

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

All bodies, men or women want to keep fat. Also, when you say build muscle, that just means getting stronger. Eating in a deficit will prevent you from gaining new mass, but even if you gained new muscle, you would become leaner. Muscle is lean, fat is what makes women look bulky. See exhibit below.

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/

Aaron_K123

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

What is the difference between "adding" muscle and "building" muscle. You won't do either if you are at caloric deficit anyways so if you are then I wouldn't try to do either or worry about either.

You aren't going to "bulk". Adding muscle is incredibly difficult for women, takes years and heavy lifting with caloric surplus for them to look basically like they are very fit. Not sure what woman you have met that got "overly" muscular by accident.



That is what a woman who lifts heavy and adds muscle looks like.

dbmata

What's the vinegar for?

Rigger

FLAVOR FOR GREAT SUCCESS!!!

anything less is uncivilized.

dbmata

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

ladee.... as in a young strapping lad?

adding muscle and building muscle when used how you are, are synonymous with each other.

If you want to lose fat though, eat less. Build muscle? Lift heavier and more. It's elementary my dear watson.

dorisopen9

Vinegar doesn't lower blood sugar.

Actually, there is some research showing that Apple cider vinegar lowers the blood sugar levels in the morning if it is taken in the evening. This applies to diabetics though, healthy non-diabetics do not have raised blood sugar levels in the morning.

There is no evidence to support all the other claims about ACV that are floating around the internet. It is not a wonder substance, does not make you slim without diet and exercise. For most people it just makes a tasty vinaigrette when mixed with oil and herbs.

nads1012

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

All bodies, men or women want to keep fat. Also, when you say build muscle, that just means getting stronger. Eating in a deficit will prevent you from gaining new mass, but even if you gained new muscle, you would become leaner. Muscle is lean, fat is what makes women look bulky. See exhibit below.

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/

interesting article thanks. I knew 90% of that already, but it'll be useful to pass on to some friends maybe.

nads1012

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

What is the difference between "adding" muscle and "building" muscle. You won't do either if you are at caloric deficit anyways so if you are then I wouldn't try to do either or worry about either.

You aren't going to "bulk". Adding muscle is incredibly difficult for women, takes years and heavy lifting with caloric surplus for them to look basically like they are very fit. Not sure what woman you have met that got "overly" muscular by accident.



That is what a woman who lifts heavy and adds muscle looks like.

Dude, men can look slim and ripped or big and ripped, right. I wanted to clarify I'm a women, no chance in the world will I ever bulge.

Where do I say that I eat at a calorific deficit? Nowhere. I don't believe in counting calories, I cut my carbs and I've increased fat.
I don't go hungry and I don't overeat.

I do look a bit like that actually, guess my question has been answered, will try to lift even more now.

You know 'Staci' and that women on the photo, I was just wondering if it would be possible to see a bit more abs.
Yea ok, will try to lift heavier, thanks.

Aaron_K123

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

What is the difference between "adding" muscle and "building" muscle. You won't do either if you are at caloric deficit anyways so if you are then I wouldn't try to do either or worry about either.

You aren't going to "bulk". Adding muscle is incredibly difficult for women, takes years and heavy lifting with caloric surplus for them to look basically like they are very fit. Not sure what woman you have met that got "overly" muscular by accident.



That is what a woman who lifts heavy and adds muscle looks like.

Dude, men can look slim and ripped or big and ripped, right. I wanted to clarify I'm a women, no chance in the world will I ever bulge.

Where do I say that I eat at a calorific deficit? Nowhere. I don't believe in counting calories, I cut my carbs and I've increased fat.
I don't go hungry and I don't overeat.

I do look a bit like that actually, guess my question has been answered, will try to lift even more now.

You know 'Staci' and that women on the photo, I was just wondering if it would be possible to see a bit more abs.
Yea ok, will try to lift heavier, thanks.

You did not say that you were eating at a caloric deficit however given that you posted this on the weightloss forum I felt it was a safe assumption to make. If you aren't tracking then I guess you just don't know but if you are eating enough then yeah you can put on muscle but slowly over significant periods of time.

I do think to get abs you need a good amount of muscle and then cut enough to be able to see them under the fat which for a woman I am guessing is going to be in the 15%-ish bodyfat range.

Either way putting on muscle likely to do you nothing but good in terms of health and fitness so yeah totally go for it.

Iron_Feline

Have I mentioned I'm a ladee and I don't really want to bulk. I don't want to 'add' muscle, I want to burn fat and build muscle. Eating more calories wouldn't work for me I don't think.
My body likes to keep fat and doesn't rip easily.

All bodies, men or women want to keep fat. Also, when you say build muscle, that just means getting stronger. Eating in a deficit will prevent you from gaining new mass, but even if you gained new muscle, you would become leaner. Muscle is lean, fat is what makes women look bulky. See exhibit below.

http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/07/21/meet-staci-your-new-powerlifting-super-hero/

interesting article thanks. I knew 90% of that already, but it'll be useful to pass on to some friends maybe.

Really?

You seem somewhat confused going by your posts. You say you don't want to add muscle then say you want to build muscle. People here are trying to help you but you seem to have a bit of an attitude with their replies.

You say eating more calories won't work for you but get annoyed when people suggest you're in a deficit.

Sigh.

Iron_Feline

I've starting a ketogenic way of eating and apparently it helps to lower glucose levels and therefore sugar cravings. I'm a woman and I want to achieve fat loss and look a bit more ripped. Cos just lifting and eating well ain't getting me there.

If your not getting the results you want maybe you should count calories?

jjplato

You don't have to lift "heavy" to build muscle. The keys to stimulating muscular hypertrophy are: lifting to volitional muscle fatigue (VMF, in other works, until you can't do another rep), and progressive overload (progressively adding more weight and/or reps over time). Equally important is getting proper nutrition. As the old adage goes, "Muscles are built in the kitchen."

Lift heavy if you want to, there's nothing wrong with it, but understand that it is not the only - or even the best - way to build muscle.

http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/you-don-t-need-to-lift-heavy-to-grow-muscle

mmm_drop

Am I the only one that thought this might have been some new recipe to create a science fair volcano eruption?