Is there any theory/science behind loosing inches?
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Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.0 -
The other method, adding inches to your measurement, doesn't actually make sense who you think about it. If you're 32 inches around why are you adding 2 inches of fabric?
Why am I a size 12 pant, when that (more or less) translates to a specific hip and size measurement?
Because vanity. Women supposedly lack the mental fortitude to wear pants with their actual hip/waist measurement on them.0 -
I just saw something on a documentary that says she wore a size 16. Now, clothing sizes may have been adjusted for the fatter population but I can't believe a size 23" waist was ever size 16.I think having arbitrary inch goals may be a sign of eating disorders. How did the OP come up with a 25" waist?
That said I had a 24" waist in high school. However, I weighed 98 lbs, ran long distance, did tons of aerobics classes and lifted weights. I'm also fine boned and 5'1".
Saw a documentary the other day on the US size 0. Apparently the model figure to aim for is a 23 inch waist. :noway:
Rumor has it that Marilyn Monroe had like 23 inch waist? but looking at all the pictures, I am not convinced...
Didn't all the civil war ladies try to get an 18" waist with the corset on? I've read stories on how they starved themselves and also passed out from super tight corsets.
Her size changed quite a bit over the years. After her miscarriage, she was quite a bit bigger than when she starring in movies like "How to Marry a Millionaire." I believe that she had a 23" waist at some point, just not at this point:
Why women use a drug addict and an adultress for the standard of female perfection on every level I'll never know but I'll play along.
According to her dress maker:
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D
Supposedly at her heaviest she was no larger than a 10 and was usually and 8.
EDIT: Spelling and phrasing. Me fail English.
I dunno, it could be that she was super sexy and today's definition of curvy.
I myself don't view her as female perfection, and I'm not going to debate her stats. I merely threw that out there because her name was mentioned, but her weight fluctuated just like every other woman's does.0 -
The other method, adding inches to your measurement, doesn't actually make sense who you think about it. If you're 32 inches around why are you adding 2 inches of fabric?
Why am I a size 12 pant, when that (more or less) translates to a specific hip and size measurement?
Because vanity. Women supposedly lack the mental fortitude to wear pants with their actual hip/waist measurement on them.
I pray for the day when we get to pick from waist, hip and inseam.0 -
I just saw something on a documentary that says she wore a size 16. Now, clothing sizes may have been adjusted for the fatter population but I can't believe a size 23" waist was ever size 16.I think having arbitrary inch goals may be a sign of eating disorders. How did the OP come up with a 25" waist?
That said I had a 24" waist in high school. However, I weighed 98 lbs, ran long distance, did tons of aerobics classes and lifted weights. I'm also fine boned and 5'1".
Saw a documentary the other day on the US size 0. Apparently the model figure to aim for is a 23 inch waist. :noway:
Rumor has it that Marilyn Monroe had like 23 inch waist? but looking at all the pictures, I am not convinced...
Didn't all the civil war ladies try to get an 18" waist with the corset on? I've read stories on how they starved themselves and also passed out from super tight corsets.
Her size changed quite a bit over the years. After her miscarriage, she was quite a bit bigger than when she starring in movies like "How to Marry a Millionaire." I believe that she had a 23" waist at some point, just not at this point:
Why women use a drug addict and an adultress for the standard of female perfection on every level I'll never know but I'll play along.
According to her dress maker:
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D
Supposedly at her heaviest she was no larger than a 10 and was usually and 8.
EDIT: Spelling and phrasing. Me fail English.
I dunno, it could be that she was super sexy and today's definition of curvy.
I myself don't view her as female perfection, and I'm not going to debate her stats. I merely threw that out there because her name was mentioned, but her weight fluctuated just like every other woman's does.
At the time she lived in, she was considered one of the sexiest of the sexiest. Art Linkletter noted that boys said her name as "marilynmonroe" because she was so iconic.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.0 -
Measure your band size. This is the easiest part of the process — your band size should be fairly stable and straightforward.
Run a tape measure all the way around your body just underneath your breasts and take a measurement in inches. Make sure the tape measure is horizontal and fairly snug. Your arms should be down. Write down this number.
If this measurement is an odd number, then you should try out bras in both the size below your measurement and the size above. [1] For example, if you measured 31 inches (78.7cm), your band size could be 30 or 32.
If your measurement is already an even number, this is almost always your band size, but you may need a smaller or larger size depending on your body type.
Determine your cup size. Remember, your cup size isn't an absolute measure — it's in proportion to your band size.
Bend over so that your chest is parallel to the ground. This is so that you'll be measuring all of your breast tissue — not just what protrudes outward when you're standing up.
Measure around your torso, so that the tape is over the fullest part of your breasts. Don't pull the tape too tightly — it should be tight enough that it doesn't evenly move, but not so tight that's pressing into your breast tissue. Write down the number.
Make sure your tape measure is straight. That is, it shouldn't be a few inches down your back, or you'll end up with an uneven measurement. To combat this, try to measure yourself in front of a mirror, or ask your partner or close friend to help you.
Calculate your cup size. To do this, you'll subtract your band measurement from the cup measurement you just took. The difference between the two numbers determines your cup size:
Less than 1 inch = AA
1 inch = A
2 inches = B
3 inches = C
4 inches = D
5 inches = DD
6 inches = DDD (E in UK sizing)
7 inches = DDDD/F (F in UK sizing)
8 inches = G/H (FF in UK sizing)
9 inches = I/J (G in UK sizing)
10 inches = J (GG in UK sizing)
The majority of leading brands use UK cup sizing: AA, A, B, C, D, DD, E, F, FF, G, GG, H, HH, J, JJ, K, KK, L, LL. If you're shopping in the US you might see cup sizes such as DDD or DDDD. These are equivalent to E and F. If you're in any doubt, particularly with larger cup sizes, you can refer to an international bra sizing chart
The other method, adding inches to your measurement, doesn't actually make sense who you think about it. If you're 32 inches around why are you adding 2 inches of fabric?
Saving this to try it out when I get home. My bras never fit :mad:0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.
The point of the discussion was "what would Marilyn's bust size been given her bra size"?
And now I'm all sad and feel the need to post a picture of my back to prove that I'm not a big fatty.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.
The point of the discussion was "what would Marilyn's bust size been given her bra size"?
And now I'm all sad and feel the need to post a picture of my back to prove that I'm not a big fatty.
The answer is still no. In Marilyn's day the +4/5 method was the system, so a 37 bust still wouldn't be a 36D.
And my discussion wasn't about Marilyn, as I realize modern bra sizing methods don't correlate with her, but with the poster I responded to. I made no mention of Marilyn.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.
The point of the discussion was "what would Marilyn's bust size been given her bra size"?
And now I'm all sad and feel the need to post a picture of my back to prove that I'm not a big fatty.
The answer is still no. In Marilyn's day the +4/5 method was the system, so a 37 bust still wouldn't be a 36D.
And my discussion wasn't about Marilyn, as I realize modern bra sizing methods don't correlate with her, but with the poster I responded to. I made no mention of Marilyn.
That poster was quoting their bra size in reference to a question about Marilyn's stats (and, given that she'd never been measured, was probably wearing crappy bras).0 -
ok, my bad. I shouldn't have brought up the topic of Marilyn Monroe...0
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Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.
The point of the discussion was "what would Marilyn's bust size been given her bra size"?
And now I'm all sad and feel the need to post a picture of my back to prove that I'm not a big fatty.
The answer is still no. In Marilyn's day the +4/5 method was the system, so a 37 bust still wouldn't be a 36D.
And my discussion wasn't about Marilyn, as I realize modern bra sizing methods don't correlate with her, but with the poster I responded to. I made no mention of Marilyn.
That poster was quoting their bra size in reference to a question about Marilyn's stats (and, given that she'd never been measured, was probably wearing crappy bras).
I suppose if I had edited out the stuff about came before and just focused on the posters assessment of her bras (in this modern day and age) you would have just left my comment as is then?
Well then: That poster: Not a 36D.
Marilyn: Also probably not a 36D, because +4/5 method, but maybe a 36D with the +3 method but I don't actually care and wasn't actually commenting on her at any point in anything I said.
You: Wearing bras made with the +3 method.
Me: Wearing bras that make sense.
Any further thoughts or concerns?0 -
Do my bras make sense? They come in S/M/L. :happy:0
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Do my bras make sense? They come in S/M/L. :happy:
Sports bras?
Mine do too though really a the uniboob sports bra/S/M/L ones aren't as supportive or as good for your boobs/back as one that is fitted and stuff. But I still wear the uniboob ones. *points at profile picture* case in point.0 -
Lot's of women think things fit because, frankly, they've never worn a properly fitted bra. 85% of women are wearing the wrong bra. 85%
And when I try on a 36, I can't breathe and have back fat.
Are you actually 36 or are you 36 and some change? Are you holding the tape too tight? There are a lot of factors (human error is human) but there is no conceivable reason to randomly add two inches of fabric to something that is supposed to be fitted to you. Bra support is supposed to come from the band (not the straps) and it needs to be fitted.
I'm 35" around the chest.
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I've been measured at Nordstrom and Intimacy. I get most of my bras from Nordies and figleaves.com. Felina and La Perla are brands I get a lot because they tend to make cup shapes that suit me. These are not crappy bras.
Then abnormally fleshy back it is. Exceptions to the rule always exist, but that doesn't make the rule any less true.
Needing a 38 inch band when you measure 35 inches around is odd, surely you can see that? And as such you, and your back, are odd. *confetti*
Edit: Actually I checked and indeed, Nordstrom uses the old +inches rule. And I've already explained why that's a stupid policy above.
Well, so do the bras that Nordies and figleaves sell. This would also be the measurement system that Marilyn used, so her measurements do, in fact, make sense.
Make sense, as far as inaccurate sizing based on nothing but making women feel happy with themselves, like saying because I wear a 0 at Old Navy I'm really a 0. In reality it's meaningless and could mean anything. If it's a custom bra it could literally be any size at all where the maker wrote whatever would make her feel best inside.
Which is the issue with the +inches. Because Nordies does +3, VS does +4 or 5, Fredricks does +4 below 36 band and +2/3 above 36. Literally meaningless.
The point of the discussion was "what would Marilyn's bust size been given her bra size"?
And now I'm all sad and feel the need to post a picture of my back to prove that I'm not a big fatty.
The answer is still no. In Marilyn's day the +4/5 method was the system, so a 37 bust still wouldn't be a 36D.
And my discussion wasn't about Marilyn, as I realize modern bra sizing methods don't correlate with her, but with the poster I responded to. I made no mention of Marilyn.
That poster was quoting their bra size in reference to a question about Marilyn's stats (and, given that she'd never been measured, was probably wearing crappy bras).
I suppose if I had edited out the stuff about came before and just focused on the posters assessment of her bras (in this modern day and age) you would have just left my comment as is then?
Well then: That poster: Not a 36D.
Marilyn: Also probably not a 36D, because +4/5 method, but maybe a 36D with the +3 method but I don't actually care and wasn't actually commenting on her at any point in anything I said.
You: Wearing bras made with the +3 method.
Me: Wearing bras that make sense.
Any further thoughts or concerns?
I just hate ALL the nesting boxes. They make me dizzy.0 -
Well then: That poster: Not a 36D.
Marilyn: Also probably not a 36D, because +4/5 method, but maybe a 36D with the +3 method but I don't actually care and wasn't actually commenting on her at any point in anything I said.
You: Wearing bras made with the +3 method.
Me: Wearing bras that make sense.
Any further thoughts or concerns?
Regardless of which bra sizing method used, Marilyn still wouldn't have a 37 bust with a 36D bra size. Both methods use the difference between bust and under-bust measurements. Not adding to the under-bust measurement just results in a smaller number and much higher letter because the difference between the measurements is much larger.
If her under-bust measurement was, say, 32, and her bust 37, then not adding anything to the band would put her in a 32E.
Adding four inches to the under-bust measurement would put her in a 36A, 36B at the most. Not a 36D.0 -
Well then: That poster: Not a 36D.
Marilyn: Also probably not a 36D, because +4/5 method, but maybe a 36D with the +3 method but I don't actually care and wasn't actually commenting on her at any point in anything I said.
You: Wearing bras made with the +3 method.
Me: Wearing bras that make sense.
Any further thoughts or concerns?
Regardless of which bra sizing method used, Marilyn still wouldn't have a 37 bust with a 36D bra size. Both methods use the difference between bust and under-bust measurements. Not adding to the under-bust measurement just results in a smaller number and much higher letter because the difference between the measurements is much larger.
If her under-bust measurement was, say, 32, and her bust 37, then not adding anything to the band would put her in a 32E.
Adding four inches to the under-bust measurement would put her in a 36A, 36B at the most. Not a 36D.
there we go. two pages of talking about my boobies and my back fat, and this...0 -
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OP here. guys take a deep breath and relax. i do not have an eating disorder lol. i didn't even know 22% body fat was low until i googled it this morning.
my body type and height is identical to all the women on my mothers side. literally all my female cousins, aunts, mum we're all the same height and all pear shaped.
I wanted to know if it was possible to get to the 25 inch waist because my female cousins (2 of them are ~130lb and the other is 125 lb) all have a 25-26 inch waist. And my mother, who was a tailor, use to make her own clothes and clothes for her sisters and she said that at our age, herself and my aunts all had a 25-26.5 inch waist.
I was wondering how that could be. if i don't get it i don't get it. that's all.
god forbid i'm curious.
But for those who helped out without judging, thank you so much
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Ummm.... no. It's also a sign of "I-REALLY-REALLY-REALLY-want-to-fit-into-that-dress-again!"I think having arbitrary inch goals may be a sign of eating disorders.
People's goals are people's goals. Please don't judge people for their goals. You don't know her... based on the remarkably low amount of information that you have about her, her life, her lifestyle, and her path to success.... it's EXTREMELY unfair.
It might be a little strange for those of us with 25% body fat END GOALS to think... "why does she want to lose if she's at 22%?" But what SHE wants has NOTHING to do with what we want. To basically tell her that her goal is "a sign of eating disorders" is not only rude and uncalled for, but it's MEAN.
She's here for HELP. If you can't HELP, please don't HINDER. Don't put it in her head that there's something SICK or WRONG about her goals, when....
THERE.
IS.
NOT.
That being said:
OP: I believe in you. I think you can do it. Keep in mind though, that as you lose, the weight comes off all over the place. I'm kind of pear-shaped, and carry most of my weight in my thighs and hips. This is where I gain first... AND where it disappears first. I'm a cardio queen... I run A LOT: like, 3-4 hours per week.
When I watch what I eat, training for a race or something... the weight disappears, and my quads and glutes put on more muscle. It's sometimes weird, but the scale will go UP, and the inches down.
I think having a goal of losing a certain number of inches is AMAZING. It's nice to see someone not obsessed with the numbers on the scale, because that's not really what its about. It's about how YOU FEEL in your own skin.
That being said too, adding muscle really helps you burn! It also makes you stand up straighter, look leaner, feel energetic, and stronger.
Best of luck with your journey.
Ignore the fools. :flowerforyou:
thank you for being so sweet about this and standing up for me! x0 -
Then you might have an abnormally...fleshy back. There are women (who are the exception rather than the rule) who have to go up a band size. But again, exception/not the norm. Or you're wearing a bra from a crappy company. More about that below.
Anyway, for the sake of things, this is the history of the +inches method "Now, why do we add these inches to our measurement to find our band size? Well, it’s actually a fun story about early marketing. Just after WWII when this system was created, the ideal hourglass figure of the day measured 36,24,36. Women wanted to think their measurements were close to this ideal. The manufacturers needed the under bust measurement to make the bra fit correctly since the actual bust measurement of say 36 wasn’t helpful. Thus they hatched the idea of adding the additional inches to make a woman’s bra size sound more desirable. A 36B certainly sounded more desirable than a 31B. So, this is why the inches are added, and we continue with it still today."
Beyond that they gave four standard Cup sizes (A, B, C, D) where A was small and D was big and again, no real logic to it.
It is literally based on nothing but vanity. Most bra makers today do not follow this method anymore (There are some exceptions, like Fredricks of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret but those are crappy bras.) If I were to use the +inches method my 29 underbust/35 bust would translate to 32C, instead of 30DDD. That's kind of a huge difference.
I was under the impression that it had to do with the absence of elastic. Bras weren't stretchy and the inches added were for comfort and breathing purposes. I've only seen that in a lingerie construction book, though.0
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