Female gets life for stopping in fast lane to save ducklings

ninerbuff

What do you think about this?

Woman, 25, faces life in prison for stopping on highway to rescue ducklings and causing crash that killed a father and his daughter

Emma Czornobaj, 25, faces life in prison
Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16, died in 2010 after crashing into Czornobaj's car on a Canadian highway
The financial analyst parked her car on the road with the driver's door open and no hazard lights on
She said she wanted to catch the orphaned ducklings and take them home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663995/Canada-woman-stops-ducks-guilty-2-deaths.html

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

hbrittingham

I think she could have been a bit smarter and because she made a dumb move which cost two people their lives, she's going to have to pay for it. I know she didn't intend to cause their deaths, but she did. BTW, I am a huge animal advocate and am very involved in rescue and caring for animals, but I also realize that you have to be safe with whatever you are doing to save an animal.

Bulls_23

I'm ok, but not ok with it.

Mainly just for hypocritical reasons that often times people that kill people while drunk driving don't even get life. So I don't understand how that happens.

ninerbuff

I'm ok, but not ok with it.

Mainly just for hypocritical reasons that often times people that kill people while drunk driving don't even get life. So I don't understand how that happens.

Absolutely agree with you on drunk drivers. I had a friend killed by a drunk driver (habitual) and he only got 3 years. I'm betting the guys still drives drunk.
This is more than likely why I quit drinking altogether.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

elusive_design

It's possible that a judge <b> could </b> sentence her to life on vehicular manslaughter charges but it's also highly unlikely that he will. My guess is she'll get a X sentence with the time written off as probation. If she did get life in jail then it wouldn't bother me one iota. People who inadvertently or purposefully put someone at danger to stop in the road for an animal should be chained to a post and publicly flogged for their stupidity.

hbrittingham

I'm ok, but not ok with it.

Mainly just for hypocritical reasons that often times people that kill people while drunk driving don't even get life. So I don't understand how that happens.

Absolutely agree with you on drunk drivers. I had a friend killed by a drunk driver (habitual) and he only got 3 years. I'm betting the guys still drives drunk.
This is more than likely why I quit drinking altogether.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

Is that the difference between the US court system and the Canada court system? I figured the possible sentence might be the norm for that area. I do think it's too harsh because of the reasons cited here.

Sapporo

It is ridiculous to sentence her to life for this. The motorcyclist had the responsibility of leaving the proper stopping distance plus driving a motorcycle on a highway means you should pay better attention, because hello you get killed much easier. I read that they didn't notice until a car in front of them swerved to miss the parked car, if the motorcycle was following the swerver properly they would have had ample time to break a freakin motorcycle which can stop fast.
Stupid judge.

Cerakoala

It is ridiculous to sentence her to life for this. The motorcyclist had the responsibility of leaving the proper stopping distance plus driving a motorcycle on a highway means you should pay better attention, because hello you get killed much easier. I read that they didn't notice until a car in front of them swerved to miss the parked car, if the motorcycle was following the swerver properly they would have had ample time to break a freakin motorcycle which can stop fast.
Stupid judge.

I totally agree with this. The whole story is just very sad. She should have done this, they should have done that. It sounds like a bunch of mistakes/Negligence on both parts. To give her life in prison in my opinion is way to much.

HerkMeOff

I didn't think we were allowed to have debates like this in the forums???

Meerataila

What do you think about this?

Woman, 25, faces life in prison for stopping on highway to rescue ducklings and causing crash that killed a father and his daughter

Emma Czornobaj, 25, faces life in prison
Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16, died in 2010 after crashing into Czornobaj's car on a Canadian highway
The financial analyst parked her car on the road with the driver's door open and no hazard lights on
She said she wanted to catch the orphaned ducklings and take them home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663995/Canada-woman-stops-ducks-guilty-2-deaths.html

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I think there but for the grace of wandering wildlife go I.

Tough one. Because lack of common sense is something I can empathize with. At the same time, stopping dead on a highway? No. I think in reality even I'd have to let the ducks suffer their fate. I did stop and save a turtle on what was technically a highway once, though. It just didn't happen to have much traffic. It was sort of a highway in name only. Hey, I live in the boonies.

Sad for everyone involved except the ducks. Is this what the family of the victims wanted? If it were a family member of mine, what would I want the judge to do? So tough.

For the record, if I'm ever killed because of someone trying to save ducks, go easy on her.

ninerbuff

It is ridiculous to sentence her to life for this. The motorcyclist had the responsibility of leaving the proper stopping distance plus driving a motorcycle on a highway means you should pay better attention, because hello you get killed much easier. I read that they didn't notice until a car in front of them swerved to miss the parked car, if the motorcycle was following the swerver properly they would have had ample time to break a freakin motorcycle which can stop fast.
Stupid judge.

Yes others do have responsibility of leaving proper stopping distances IN CASE of a road hazard or accident. Problem here was, there was no accident or hazard. More of negligence. It had to be taken into consideration. Had she blown a flat tire and had her hazards on and sat in the car (she didn't have hazards on and was on the road distracting other drivers), then I'm sure the trial probably would have never happened.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

focused4health

Whether you are trying to save a human or an animal the procedure isvthe same:

DRABC

D is for Danger....assess the Danger to you and others before acting. In this case she didnt and two people died. All familys including hers have suffered. Absolute tragedy.

Meerataila

*Tardily reads article*

The wife and mother actually saw it happen. I guess if I were the judge I'd want to ask her what she wants to have happen to this woman.

So sad.

GFreg

ample time to break a freakin motorcycle which can stop fast.

Not trying to be argumentative but generally motorcycles can not stop as fast as cars. Due to the smaller brakes and two contact patches where the rubber meets the road instead of the four a car has. I completely agree with you though that they should be driving with enough distance to stop safely.

salembambi

the Canadian justice system is *kitten* ridiculous

oh you raped your /other children for 5 years? heh we will sentence u to 6 months but you will only serve 3

ohhhhhhhh you accidentally caused a car crash that resulted in people dying WELL YOU CAN JUST ROT FOREVER

PinkyFett

I'm ok, but not ok with it.

Mainly just for hypocritical reasons that often times people that kill people while drunk driving don't even get life. So I don't understand how that happens.

They get a slap on the wrist... then they do it all over again. Law is too lenient on drunk drivers.

I think she should have used her brain a bit better. Sad that family lost their lives.

mfp2014mfp

What do you think about this?

Woman, 25, faces life in prison for stopping on highway to rescue ducklings and causing crash that killed a father and his daughter

Emma Czornobaj, 25, faces life in prison
Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16, died in 2010 after crashing into Czornobaj's car on a Canadian highway
The financial analyst parked her car on the road with the driver's door open and no hazard lights on
She said she wanted to catch the orphaned ducklings and take them home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663995/Canada-woman-stops-ducks-guilty-2-deaths.html

Well she hasn't even been sentenced yet, I doubt she will get 25 years, that is just the maximum sentence under the crime with which she has been charged. They will probably take into account victim impact statements from the family and the fact that there was no malice in her actions. A non-story really.

Swiftlet66

Sentence was way too harsh, imo. Yeah, I get that people died as a result of negligence but what about that case in Texas about the teen who rammed into four people, killed them all, then sentenced to only rehabilitation because he has "affluenza??"

krawhitham

I'm ok, but not ok with it.

Mainly just for hypocritical reasons that often times people that kill people while drunk driving don't even get life. So I don't understand how that happens.

Absolutely agree with you on drunk drivers. I had a friend killed by a drunk driver (habitual) and he only got 3 years. I'm betting the guys still drives drunk.
This is more than likely why I quit drinking altogether.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I know a guy from college who was pulled over for speeding and caught driving drunk and the officer actually *apologized* to him for having to take him into the station. He said "Sorry, really don't like doing this to nice guys like you!" WTF... HE WAS DRIVING DRUNK.

As for the story at hand, I doubt she'll *actually* get life in prison. Usually there's parole and such for these types of things. But to be honest, the pain of having been involved in accidentally killing two people is probably more pain to bear than going to prison for life :^/

rowlandsw

She was stupid and killed people. she could have put the flashers on or pulled over more. Personally i think drunk drivers should be shot on the spot to save us time and money later. Same for murders and rapists that are guilty beyond a doubt. Give them 5 minutes to say goodbye then drop them in a grave.

TheVirgoddess

As for the story at hand, I doubt she'll *actually* get life in prison. Usually there's parole and such for these types of things. But to be honest, the pain of having been involved in accidentally killing two people is probably more pain to bear than going to prison for life :^/

This.

Jlennhikes

What do you think about this?

Woman, 25, faces life in prison for stopping on highway to rescue ducklings and causing crash that killed a father and his daughter

Emma Czornobaj, 25, faces life in prison
Andre Roy, 50, and his daughter Jessie, 16, died in 2010 after crashing into Czornobaj's car on a Canadian highway
The financial analyst parked her car on the road with the driver's door open and no hazard lights on
She said she wanted to catch the orphaned ducklings and take them home

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2663995/Canada-woman-stops-ducks-guilty-2-deaths.html

She won't get life in prison, and it makes me wonder if we were better off before the Internet, when we didn't debate and get outraged about things that didn't happen.

_John_

The story doesn't say what kind of ducklings...unless rare I really want to sit in my armchair and roll my eyes for "saving" an animal that loses so many young annually and is not threatened or rare....

Seriously, no matter how "altruistic" she might have intended, I have no sympathy for essentially purposeful being negligent in a vehicle.

Seriously, who give a **** about a couple ducklings.

Meerataila

Sentence was way too harsh, imo. Yeah, I get that people died as a result of negligence but what about that case in Texas about the teen who rammed into four people, killed them all, then sentenced to only rehabilitation because he has "affluenza??"

America's legal system is a sad joke precisely because of affluenza. Not sure how Canada's system is. How much money you have determines your treatment even before you are arrested and for every moment thereafter. Our system disgusts me.

Lisa1971

Sentence was way too harsh, imo. Yeah, I get that people died as a result of negligence but what about that case in Texas about the teen who rammed into four people, killed them all, then sentenced to only rehabilitation because he has "affluenza??"

That case infuriates me! SO WRONG!:mad: :explode:

Kamikazeflutterby

Sentence was way too harsh, imo. Yeah, I get that people died as a result of negligence but what about that case in Texas about the teen who rammed into four people, killed them all, then sentenced to only rehabilitation because he has "affluenza??"

"(CNN) -- A judge on Wednesday ordered that Ethan Couch -- who drove drunk and caused a crash, killing four people and injuring two -- go to a lock-down residential treatment facility.

State District Judge Jean Boyd had already decided the Texas teenager would serve no jail time. He was sentenced last year to 10 years' probation.

His story made national headlines after a witness claimed Couch was a victim of "affluenza" -- the product of wealthy, privileged parents who never set limits for the boy.
(CNN's Jason Morris and Ed Lavandera contributed to this report)"

The affluenza term caught my interest so I Googled it. The judge was female. Couch would probably would have been sentenced to some prison or jail time if the judge was male. Then again, I wonder how often the children of judges are afflicted with affluenza? Probably pretty often.

As far as the oopsy-some-poor-people-accidently-got-killed-while-I-was-frolicking-with-wayward-ducklings girl, I think the wise judge was making a good point. Roll the dice, pay the price. But as someone here said earlier, she'll probably spend some time in prison but not nearly a life sentence. Probably the guilt alone is a life sentence. Hard to imagine.

Wow, I expected this thread to take a bad turn for one reason, and then here's this gem. Be a troll. Please, please be a troll.

Meerataila

The judge was female. Couch would probably would have been sentenced to some prison or jail time if the judge was male.

:explode: NO.

AllonsYtotheTardis

she hasn't even had the sentencing hearing yet. We don't know what sentence she will get.

dpwellman

I drive in one of the most congested cities in the United States (top 30). So things like this are. . well. . . tragic, but I'm always prepared for dumb and stupid. I think everyone else should be too. Rule number 1) LEAVE a FREAKING gap between you and the car in front. you will not get there any faster by travelling 30 feet from some guy's bumper. What you will do is slow everyone else down by have to use brakes for corrections[/rant].

Meerataila

I drive in one of the most congested cities in the United States (top 30). So things like this are. . well. . . tragic, but I'm always prepared for dumb and stupid. I think everyone else should be too. Rule number 1) LEAVE a FREAKING gap between you and the car in front. you will not get there any faster by travelling 30 feet from some guy's bumper. What you will do is slow everyone else down by have to use brakes for corrections[/rant].

Dead on. This is indeed rule #1. But if humans were all sane logical beasties who followed sane logical rules, there would be no need for rule #1 at all, would there?

Okay, okay, fine, unforeseen mechanical failure would still necessitate rule #1. Fine. Be that way.

Leonidas_meets_Spartacus

I ride a motor cycle, and would never in effing mind follow some one close. It's a stopped vehicle or some debris flying out can knock you off from motor cycle. It's sad, there are only losers in this case.