The metabolic effect diet

katdell

Hi All
I was speaking to one of the personal trainers in the gym recently.....I have had a few PT sessions with her and all the time she never really plugged anything. However the other day I started talking to her and she said she had started doing this diet and exercise with quite a few people and she said the outcome is amazing..... I have bought the book and I am starting it tomorrow.... does anyone else do it? and if so how are you getting on with it? I would also like some friends who do it so we can encourage each other and share recipes etc?
I will be grateful for any help

SonicDeathMonkey80

Why would you waste money on stuff THEN exercise due diligence afterwards?

Advice? Get your money back if you can, and don't take anymore nutrition advice from your personal trainer.

RodaRose

It is probably a reasonable plan.
You can do it yourself by cutting carbs.

katdell

I havnt bought into anything apart from the book... I am not doing this with the PT I am doing it on my own!! That is why I was asking if anyone has done it! From reading the book the diet itself does not seem a bad diet... it seems more like eating a lot healthier and cutting out a lot of processed foods etc. Have you seen any info on it SonicDeathMon and if so why do you not like it??

_Zardoz_

Hi All
I was speaking to one of the personal trainers in the gym recently.....

This never ends well

SonicDeathMonkey80

I havnt bought into anything apart from the book... I am not doing this with the PT I am doing it on my own!! That is why I was asking if anyone has done it! From reading the book the diet itself does not seem a bad diet... it seems more like eating a lot healthier and cutting out a lot of processed foods etc. Have you seen any info on it SonicDeathMon and if so why do you not like it??

I like being able to eat what I want to eat and not following any "rules" by eliminating food types/groups. I haven't tried it, and by following MFP's simple formula and CICO, I am glad I will never have to. When you start getting into what's "healthy" and what's "not," things get complicated. It's really as simple as calorie deficit for weight loss and exercising for fitness. You can do this without a diet, I promise!

tigersword

All "diets" work for one reason. Calorie deficit. The other thing all "diets" do is sell books. That's it. You wasted money on a book that will give you a random set of arbitrary rules that will have no impact on your progress beyond what you would have setting your own calorie deficit. The author is glad to have duped you, however, that's how they make money. They also expect you to fail, so you can then buy their NEXT book. Just remember, the "weight loss industry" is built on the fact that you will fail. Otherwise they can't keep making money. Skip the silly gimmicks, you have all the tools you need for dieting right here for free on this website.

QuietBloom

All "diets" work for one reason. Calorie deficit. The other thing all "diets" do is sell books. That's it. You wasted money on a book that will give you a random set of arbitrary rules that will have no impact on your progress beyond what you would have setting your own calorie deficit. The author is glad to have duped you, however, that's how they make money. They also expect you to fail, so you can then buy their NEXT book. Just remember, the "weight loss industry" is built on the fact that you will fail. Otherwise they can't keep making money. Skip the silly gimmicks, you have all the tools you need for dieting right here for free on this website.

So much ^this! We may seem a bit harsh OP, but there is NO new way to diet under the sun. People will do anything to make a buck, including writing a diet book that claims following their program will give a result that is somehow going to be different than a simple calorie deficit while watching your macros. Personal trainers (with a few notable exceptions) are among the most uneducated when it comes to nutrition and 'dieting'. Use them for fitness advice, which is all they are qualified to hand out. To expect or hope for anymore from them is doing yourself a disservice.

katnewk

Me too... just healthier choices watch the portions.. eating as clean as I can.... I want to live in the world... no fast foods. And cooking better meals. Healthier choices when I do eat out not over endulging.... something u can live with for the long run....

WalkingAlong

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

katnewk

There is a book worth reading.. dereck doeker... more about the psychology behind our choices and how to make better choices and avoid bad behaviors... he has a few books on amazon and reasonable ... I also get his blog.... it motivated me.... afterall di we really eat because we're hungry....

katdell

The problem I have is I love bad food far too much... I have been calorie counting for a while but I think that this dosnt seem to work as I still go for bad food and as long as its within the calories I am allowed then I will eat it... so even though I am in a deficit the food I have been eating are really not doing me any good!! I need to start eating healthier and by following this even for a little while I am hoping to get my eating back on track... I really need to start making all meals and eating more cleanly!! The personal trainer I had was really good with the exercises she gave me made me get to a great point but again every time she looked at my food diary she would tell me that I was comfort eating (which I was)... At this time she was not promoting this book and told me to eat more cleanly so I cant say she isnt good!!

tigersword

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

tigersword

The problem I have is I love bad food far too much... I have been calorie counting for a while but I think that this dosnt seem to work as I still go for bad food and as long as its within the calories I am allowed then I will eat it... so even though I am in a deficit the food I have been eating are really not doing me any good!! I need to start eating healthier and by following this even for a little while I am hoping to get my eating back on track... I really need to start making all meals and eating more cleanly!! The personal trainer I had was really good with the exercises she gave me made me get to a great point but again every time she looked at my food diary she would tell me that I was comfort eating (which I was)... At this time she was not promoting this book and told me to eat more cleanly so I cant say she isnt good!!

There's no such thing as "good" or "bad" food. All food has nutritional value, and all you need is to reach an adequate level of nutrients. Once you hit the amount you need, you don't get extra credit for eating more, to paraphrase Eric Helms. This is exactly what I referred to when I said "arbitrary rules" that mean nothing. Do you get enough protein, fat, carbs, and vitamins and minerals? Then there's nothing wrong with your food choices. If you're deficient in something, then obviously you need to make changes; however, deficiencies really are rare in this day and age in the Western world.

catjrow3

Metabolic effect is actually not a diet plan at all, its about learning how to control your hunger, energy and cravings. It also is about not exercising yourself to death and learning to live in the real world. I have not bought the books, but I follow her on line, Jillfit (facebook her) and her husband is the one for metabolic effect. It really is not a diet all, but just learning to eat healthy and for your body type, and learning control of your own binges, etc. Really, they are great to read! Good for you OP!

Sabine_Stroehm

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

tigersword

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

Yes you do. You have to count calories, OR carbs, OR number of ounces of chicken breast, OR number of grapes, OR number of bottles of beer, etc. Show me a single "diet" book that doesn't tell you exactly how many of each food to eat. You certainly have to count. Counting calories just happens to be the easiest, least restrictive method.

QuietBloom

Metabolic effect is actually not a diet plan at all, its about learning how to control your hunger, energy and cravings. It also is about not exercising yourself to death and learning to live in the real world. I have not bought the books, but I follow her on line, Jillfit (facebook her) and her husband is the one for metabolic effect. It really is not a diet all, but just learning to eat healthy and for your body type, and learning control of your own binges, etc. Really, they are great to read! Good for you OP!

The only body type you need to eat for is your height, weight, sex and desired weight loss. MFP provides all of that free of charge.

maidentl

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

I am glad I'm not alone! I love reading diet books for some reason.

WalkingAlong

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

Yes you do. You have to count calories, OR carbs, OR number of ounces of chicken breast, OR number of grapes, OR number of bottles of beer, etc. Show me a single "diet" book that doesn't tell you exactly how many of each food to eat. You certainly have to count. Counting calories just happens to be the easiest, least restrictive method.

Easiest for everyone?

There are lots of diet plans with no counting. Mayo Clinic diet, Mediterranean diet, intuitive eating methods, WW Core and Simply Filling plans, the Cinch diet, the Zone diet, paleo, South Beach, Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, Dash, Ornish, TLC, flexitarian, Biggest Loser diet, MyPlate.gov, SlimFast, volumetrics, Spark Solution, macrobiotic, vegan...

I think most don't require counting. Because most people don't like counting, I think, and find it tedious and difficult.

katdell

Thanks catjrow3 I will have a look for them on facebook and see what they have to say!!

amusedmonkey

Instead of commenting blindly I looked the diet up. It basically does include calorie counting, but employs certain tricks to stop being hungry like more protein, more fiber and water plus control carbs around a "tipping point" or the amount of carbs that is not too low or too high just right for you individually where the amount doesn't cause you to get hungrier later.

Sounds like a reasonable approach to me, though I don't agree much with some of the flashy "diet book terms" like "heal your metabolism" ... etc.

If you like the book and the approach, try it out. It doesn't sound like something extreme that would harm you and if you find that it works for you, then great! I personally get discouraged by rules, and I do like my cakes, donuts and chocolate.

WalkingAlong

I looked it up, too, and thought it sounded reasonable. I'll pick it up from the library tomorrow. I'm interested in their theories on carb levels and exercise.

I find new diet/exercise ideas recharge my motivation. There's nothing like trying a new diet and losing serious weight on it because you click with it at the time. A lot of the plans I read I never even try (Chris Powell's springs to mind) but they always have interesting info somewhere in there.

tigersword

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

Yes you do. You have to count calories, OR carbs, OR number of ounces of chicken breast, OR number of grapes, OR number of bottles of beer, etc. Show me a single "diet" book that doesn't tell you exactly how many of each food to eat. You certainly have to count. Counting calories just happens to be the easiest, least restrictive method.

Easiest for everyone?

There are lots of diet plans with no counting. Mayo Clinic diet, Mediterranean diet, intuitive eating methods, WW Core and Simply Filling plans, the Cinch diet, the Zone diet, paleo, South Beach, Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, Dash, Ornish, TLC, flexitarian, Biggest Loser diet, MyPlate.gov, SlimFast, volumetrics, Spark Solution, macrobiotic, vegan...

I think most don't require counting. Because most people don't like counting, I think, and find it tedious and difficult.

Half your list has nothing to do with weight loss. A vegan diet won't make you lose weight unless you can count and maintain a deficit. Same with the DASH diet, paleo, myplate, Zone, flexitarian, etc. Those are eating methods, but you still have to count portions in order to maintain a diet (the Zone diet even has specific macro limits, how exactly do you maintain that without counting?) Also, you don't have to count anything with Weight Watchers, REALLY? Other than counting Weight Watchers Points, right? If you're trying to lose weight, you need to count. Whether it's calories, portions, points, or whatever the "system" is, you have to count and track to make it work.

WalkingAlong

There are WW plans with very minimal counting, and before maybe 10 years ago there was no points at all. I lost 50 lbs. on one where I only had to count a few food items (35 points a week, max).

How many WW plans have you tried? Or even read about outside MFP? How many other diet plans have you read in books? Oh yeah, books are a waste of money. Seriously, most diets plans out there require no or minimal counting.

Which doesn't mean calories don't count. Or that if you overeat on any plan, you will not lose.

A lot of people use their method of eating (vegan, Zone, med, etc.) to control their weight. Even most of the people here claim MFP is not a 'diet' for them but a 'lifestyle'.

Calories were 'invented' less than 200 years ago. People lost weight intentionally before then.

Sabine_Stroehm

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

Yes you do. You have to count calories, OR carbs, OR number of ounces of chicken breast, OR number of grapes, OR number of bottles of beer, etc. Show me a single "diet" book that doesn't tell you exactly how many of each food to eat. You certainly have to count. Counting calories just happens to be the easiest, least restrictive method.

Indeed. SB asks you to count nuts. Nothing else. Just nuts. Granted, I was referring to your assertion that you have to count CALORIES. But yes, south beach does recommend counting nuts. lol
And, no surprise, I disagree that calorie counting is defacto the "easiest" or "simplest". I didn't calorie count when I lost, and it was pretty "simple".

Sabine_Stroehm

I personally love reading diet books. I don't consider reading books a waste of money, though I do get most of them from the library. They're all based on some sort of science and all represent a plan that works well for at least some people. Calorie counting is not at all the only way of losing weight.

I think a personal trainer is a rip-off but I would never assume my choice is the right choice for everyone.

I haven't read that book, though.

Yes, it is. The only way the human body loses weight is by expending more calories than it takes in. Period.

You don't have to COUNT to lose weight.

Yes you do. You have to count calories, OR carbs, OR number of ounces of chicken breast, OR number of grapes, OR number of bottles of beer, etc. Show me a single "diet" book that doesn't tell you exactly how many of each food to eat. You certainly have to count. Counting calories just happens to be the easiest, least restrictive method.

Easiest for everyone?

There are lots of diet plans with no counting. Mayo Clinic diet, Mediterranean diet, intuitive eating methods, WW Core and Simply Filling plans, the Cinch diet, the Zone diet, paleo, South Beach, Nutrisystem, Jenny Craig, Dash, Ornish, TLC, flexitarian, Biggest Loser diet, MyPlate.gov, SlimFast, volumetrics, Spark Solution, macrobiotic, vegan...

I think most don't require counting. Because most people don't like counting, I think, and find it tedious and difficult.

Half your list has nothing to do with weight loss. A vegan diet won't make you lose weight unless you can count and maintain a deficit. Same with the DASH diet, paleo, myplate, Zone, flexitarian, etc. Those are eating methods, but you still have to count portions in order to maintain a diet (the Zone diet even has specific macro limits, how exactly do you maintain that without counting?) Also, you don't have to count anything with Weight Watchers, REALLY? Other than counting Weight Watchers Points, right? If you're trying to lose weight, you need to count. Whether it's calories, portions, points, or whatever the "system" is, you have to count and track to make it work.

I guess you're going to have to clearly define "diet books" then.

WalkingAlong

Most of those diets I picked off the US News diet reviews list, so I think they're generally considered diet plans. ("Easiest diets" in their rankings were WW and Nutrisystem, by the way.)

Sabine_Stroehm

Most of those diets I picked off the US News diet reviews list, so I think they're generally considered diet plans. ("Easiest diets" in their rankings were WW and Nutrisystem, by the way.)

FWIW, I do consider, Dash, Zone, SB etc. (formal) weight loss diets. And I *know* SB doesn't require counting of calories, carbs, or portion sizes. Just nuts.

catjrow3

Thanks catjrow3 I will have a look for them on facebook and see what they have to say!!

your welcome, she has a great FB page.. this is the exact name
JillFit Physiques

SingRunTing

There are WW plans with very minimal counting, and before maybe 10 years ago there was no points at all . I lost 50 lbs. on one where I only had to count a few food items (35 points a week, max).

How many WW plans have you tried? Or even read about outside MFP? How many other diet plans have you read in books? Oh yeah, books are a waste of money. Seriously, most diets plans out there require no or minimal counting.

Which doesn't mean calories don't count. Or that if you overeat on any plan, you will not lose.

A lot of people use their method of eating (vegan, Zone, med, etc.) to control their weight. Even most of the people here claim MFP is not a 'diet' for them but a 'lifestyle'.

Calories were 'invented' less than 200 years ago. People lost weight intentionally before then.

That's not true. I did Weight Watchers back in 2000 (so 14 years ago) using my mom's old Weight Watchers material (old then, so >14 years old) and it was all about points.

Even the Weight Watchers programs that don't have counting are only supposed to be used as a kick start program. They are done short term and then you go onto the points program.