Too much fat? ketogenic diet

majinboox

I am doing a ketogenic diet, I have a question please help me. I cook 6oz of beef with 2 coconut oil tablespoon and I also drink 2 tablespoons of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal. I dont know if I'm consuming too much fat, because sometimes i feel too full and sleepy after eating, and sometimes I get nausea. In myfinesspal i introduce the default 6oz of cooked beef and the 2 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil that I drink.

Do I have to introduce in myfitnesspal the 2 tablespoons of oil I use to cook too? And the condiments? (one dash of salt, oregano, black pepper that I use to cook?) My fat percentage in myfitnesspal is of 73% without introducing the coconut oil that I use to cook.

I am in my four week of ketogenic diet, i am 27 years old hypoglicemic ectomorph 168 cm - 120 lb with depression/dysphoria, i am consuming around 1500 calories per day because i get full fast, i just want help please to measure my fat intake, the coconut oil that i use to cook the beef raise my fat intake? do i need use a custom recipe adding the 2 tablespoon of coconut oil that i use to cook the meat? too much fat cause nausea or sleepy right? yesterday i drink even only 1 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal and feel sleepy.

my ketogenic template is like this:

i drink 2 tablespoon of virgin coconut oil before each meal.

breakfast:

2 slides of cheddar cheese

lunch:

6oz of beef meat cooked with 2 tablespoons of coconut oil + 1 dash of oregano, salt, black pepper.
1/2 cup of broccoli or cauliflower

dinner:

same of lunch, diferent beef cut.

WBB55

You've been doing this for 4 weeks. And you weigh 120 lbs. And you're 27 year old male, 5'6". Eating 1500 calories per day. What's your goal with the diet? Lose weight? Add muscle?

Robotponysaurus

Aside from what WBB55 asked, why are you drinking coconut oil? I don't understand. And yes, having 73% of your calories coming from fat is definitely not a good idea. Fat isn't the enemy, but balance is important.

JoeCampbell85

You need to add everything int he recipe including oils used to cook the meat. The spices probably add a negligible amount of calories but the fat is most likely being absorbed into the meat and should be included.

majinboox

Goal of my diet is cure my depression, i was even prediabetic 1 month ago, my family is full of hypoglicemics and diabeters, i am drinking the virgin coconut oil before each meal because i dont know if i am eating too much protein and low fat.

LucasEVille

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

As a healthcare professional I can only advise that a diet alone will never cure this, if you haven't already you need to seek support.

WBB55

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

Did a doctor recommend this eating plan? If not, seek medical advice if you're trying to control depression thru diet.

My own personal opinion (not a doctor, mind you) serotonin and dopamine are important for maintaining brain chemical balances. There are some AWESOME sources of the building blocks for these essential brain neurotransmitters found in things like vegetables and whole grains (like quinoa, steel cut oats, lentils, beans, barley).

majinboox

You need to add everything int he recipe including oils used to cook the meat. The spices probably add a negligible amount of calories but the fat is most likely being absorbed into the meat and should be included.

so fat is absorbed into the meat, this was my big question, thanks for helping me.

majinboox

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

Did a doctor recommend this eating plan? If not, seek medical advice if you're trying to control depression thru diet.

My own personal opinion (not a doctor, mind you) serotonin and dopamine are important for maintaining brain chemical balances. There are some AWESOME sources of the building blocks for these essential brain neurotransmitters found in things like vegetables and whole grains (like quinoa, steel cut oats, lentils, beans, barley).

i read the last book of the dr perlmutter, he recommends a ketogenic diet (60-70% fat, 20-30% protein, 10%-20% carbs) i read so much about neuroscience, i try this last 3 years many antidepressants and none of them works, i know i have problems with serotonin, dopamine and betaendorphins, sugar deplete this neurotransmitters and my family is full of alcoholics, diabetics and hypoglicemics, sugar is the main suspect in my illness.

ketogenic diet has cure or improve many people with neurological diseaes like depression, epilepsy, adhd and others.

WBB55

ketogenic diet has cure or improve many people with neurological diases like depression, epilepsy, adhd and others.

I don't disagree AT ALL with this sentence. I'm just suggesting you follow whatever meal plan your doctor suggests to treat your depression. And if your doctor didn't suggest the meal plan you listed above, I very lovingly and supportively suggest you consult one before continuing.

Akimajuktuq

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

As a healthcare professional I can only advise that a diet alone will never cure this, if you haven't already you need to seek support.

There is so much wrong in some of the "advice" given here.... and this is one. I spent years and years and years going to doctors and specialists for help with depression. I was often offered all kinds of meds and I was NOT ONCE advised to change the food.

I changed the food two years ago (a ketogenic whole food diet) and all of my illnesses were resolved including prediabetes, arthritis, chronic pain, depression and a "personality disorder"- and a long list of other problems..

High fat will not harm most people and the idea of a "healthy balanced diet" is a fallacy. However, I don't know what to say about the OP specifically except that yes, fat is filling, but judge how it is working by how you FEEL, not by what people say here. There is a large group of people here who are misinformed on ketogenic lifestyles, think it's "dangerous", and many who don't even think that quality of food matters.

Yes, depression CAN be cured by diet alone. I did it. Nothing else worked for 30 years; not doctors, drugs, counselling. Nothing.

AsaThorsWoman

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

As a healthcare professional I can only advise that a diet alone will never cure this, if you haven't already you need to seek support.

There is so much wrong in some of the "advice" given here.... and this is one. I spent years and years and years going to doctors and specialists for help with depression. I was often offered all kinds of meds and I was NOT ONCE advised to change the food.

I changed the food two years ago (a ketogenic whole food diet) and all of my illnesses were resolved including prediabetes, arthritis, chronic pain, depression and a "personality disorder"- and a long list of other problems..

High fat will not harm most people and the idea of a "healthy balanced diet" is a fallacy. However, I don't know what to say about the OP specifically except that yes, fat is filling, but judge how it is working by how you FEEL, not by what people say here. There is a large group of people here who are misinformed on ketogenic lifestyles, think it's "dangerous", and many who don't even think that quality of food matters.

Yes, depression CAN be cured by diet alone. I did it. Nothing else worked for 30 years; not doctors, drugs, counselling. Nothing.

I love hearing stories like this.

It really re-enforces that not everyone is the same, and all kinds of other healthy ideas.

:flowerforyou:

cosmicpeaches

www.reddit.com/r/keto is a great place for support and information if you haven't been there already. I'm not doing keto but I have done before, and the nausea you're feeling is normal. It's possibly due to not getting enough electrolytes and salts due to dropping your carbs so low. If it's still early days for you, don't worry because this is to be expected and is usually referred to as the 'keto flu'.

As for depression, a high tryptophan diet is key. Keto is good for this. There is a great book that I recommend to you, called 'The Mood Cure' by Julia Ross. I use this meal plan, and exercise, to manage my depression. I feel better when I'm eating a high tryptophan diets of proteins and fats, and limiting the carbs (although I don't limit them as low as required on keto). Good luck!

MarilynMadness

If you're trying to help your depression, I'd just like to throw in that exercising (even just walking) for thirty minutes a day can greatly help along with your diet! Adding exercise to my life actually lessened my need for anxiety medication, and I was able to come off of three bipolar medications.

I did a ketogenic diet many, many years ago and have forgotten much of the specifics (I still try to avoid anything with sugar and most breads) but also make sure you're getting enough protein. Take care, best wishes!

majinboox

ketogenic diet has cure or improve many people with neurological diases like depression, epilepsy, adhd and others.

I don't disagree AT ALL with this sentence. I'm just suggesting you follow whatever meal plan your doctor suggests to treat your depression. And if your doctor didn't suggest the meal plan you listed above, I very lovingly and supportively suggest you consult one before continuing.

My mother spent a lot of money in the best psychiatrists in my country, I've tried the vast majority of antidepressants, nothing has worked, and my third world country doctors do not know about the ketogenic diet even someone doctors think it is dangerous, I even consulted the best nutritionists and the same.

majinboox

If you're trying to help your depression, I'd just like to throw in that exercising (even just walking) for thirty minutes a day can greatly help along with your diet! Adding exercise to my life actually lessened my need for anxiety medication, and I was able to come off of three bipolar medications.

I did a ketogenic diet many, many years ago and have forgotten much of the specifics (I still try to avoid anything with sugar and most breads) but also make sure you're getting enough protein. Take care, best wishes!

thanks for your support, i am doing 60 min daily of elliptical machine, fighting with the dysphoria daily.

majinboox

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

As a healthcare professional I can only advise that a diet alone will never cure this, if you haven't already you need to seek support.

There is so much wrong in some of the "advice" given here.... and this is one. I spent years and years and years going to doctors and specialists for help with depression. I was often offered all kinds of meds and I was NOT ONCE advised to change the food.

I changed the food two years ago (a ketogenic whole food diet) and all of my illnesses were resolved including prediabetes, arthritis, chronic pain, depression and a "personality disorder"- and a long list of other problems..

High fat will not harm most people and the idea of a "healthy balanced diet" is a fallacy. However, I don't know what to say about the OP specifically except that yes, fat is filling, but judge how it is working by how you FEEL, not by what people say here. There is a large group of people here who are misinformed on ketogenic lifestyles, think it's "dangerous", and many who don't even think that quality of food matters.

Yes, depression CAN be cured by diet alone. I did it. Nothing else worked for 30 years; not doctors, drugs, counselling. Nothing.

stories like hers motivate me to not give up, I congratulate you on having found the cure, 99% of psychiatrists are only interested in the money given to them by the pharmaceutical industry.

majinboox

www.reddit.com/r/keto is a great place for support and information if you haven't been there already. I'm not doing keto but I have done before, and the nausea you're feeling is normal. It's possibly due to not getting enough electrolytes and salts due to dropping your carbs so low. If it's still early days for you, don't worry because this is to be expected and is usually referred to as the 'keto flu'.

As for depression, a high tryptophan diet is key. Keto is good for this. There is a great book that I recommend to you, called 'The Mood Cure' by Julia Ross. I use this meal plan, and exercise, to manage my depression. I feel better when I'm eating a high tryptophan diets of proteins and fats, and limiting the carbs (although I don't limit them as low as required on keto). Good luck!

thank you very much, I'll read.

potato not prozac and specially brain grain of the dr perlmutter help me undertand my illness.

LucasEVille

Goal of my diet is cure my depression

There is so much wrong in some of the "advice" given here.... and this is one. I spent years and years and years going to doctors and specialists for help with depression. I was often offered all kinds of meds and I was NOT ONCE advised to change the food.

So was the part where I suggested the OP seek medical help / support for depression "wrong advice"? I would be interested to know if you are suggesting the OP should not seek trained medical help. Obviously because you are so passionately against that advice I assume you have some form of medical background or training to suggest what the OP should do?

Obviously I cannot coment on the doctors you have seen, are they specialists within mental health or generic general practice doctors? Diet can be a key part of recovery. Key part, not whole solution. For example the service users I work with we have a phased recovery of supervised social interactions, food workshops, gym and fitness sessions etc. Also college and acedemic work for those less inclined to enjoy fitness and diet wellbeing.
Diet alone will not cure depression, it can cure the underlining problems and cause of the depression if you are depressed because of your body or health. It can be a massive help in overcoming depression but it is highly unlikely to solve the problem on its own without an initial assessment by a medical professional on the problem.

I congratulate you on overcoming depression, as someone who has struggled with mental health issues and now employed within the very services which helped me I can confirm how hard that battle is. I am also glad you found your path to recovery. However not everyone's path is the same and it is very hard to make an assessment based on an internet forum. Which is why seeking medical advice is always advised on these forums.

stories like hers motivate me to not give up, I congratulate you on having found the cure, 99% of psychiatrists are only interested in the money given to them by the pharmaceutical industry.

This statement really makes me sad, any point of use health system based on profit will be influenced by profit not by people. I am proud to work for a public secure mental health trust which isn't swayed by any external pressure from companies such as big pharma. I am sorry that you live in a country with such a system.

AGTMADCAT

I am doing a ketogenic diet, I have a question please help me. I cook 6oz of beef with 2 coconut oil tablespoon and I also drink 2 tablespoons of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal. I dont know if I'm consuming too much fat, because sometimes i feel too full and sleepy after eating, and sometimes I get nausea. In myfinesspal i introduce the default 6oz of cooked beef and the 2 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil that I drink.

Do I have to introduce in myfitnesspal the 2 tablespoons of oil I use to cook too? And the condiments? (one dash of salt, oregano, black pepper that I use to cook?) My fat percentage in myfitnesspal is of 73% without introducing the coconut oil that I use to cook.

I am in my four week of ketogenic diet, i am 27 years old hypoglicemic ectomorph 168 cm - 120 lb with depression/dysphoria, i am consuming around 1500 calories per day because i get full fast, i just want help please to measure my fat intake, the coconut oil that i use to cook the beef raise my fat intake? do i need use a custom recipe adding the 2 tablespoon of coconut oil that i use to cook the meat? too much fat cause nausea or sleepy right? yesterday i drink even only 1 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal and feel sleepy.

my ketogenic template is like this:

i drink 2 tablespoon of virgin coconut oil before each meal.

breakfast:

2 slides of cheddar cheese

lunch:

6oz of beef meat cooked with 2 tablespoons of coconut oil + 1 dash of oregano, salt, black pepper.
1/2 cup of broccoli or cauliflower

dinner:

same of lunch, diferent beef cut.

Okay, a few notes on your macros: Keto diet macros should look roughly like this: 5% carbs, 30% protein, 65% fat. There's some variation in recommendations, but that's about right. Some people say 10% carbs and 60% fat - that should work too. I'm concerned that you're already at 73% fat, and you haven't added all of your oil in yet. I think you're not getting enough protein, which might be what you need to increase.

Also, where are all of your veggies? a cup of broccoli or cauliflower per day probably isn't going to cut it nutrient-wise. If you're supplementing vitamins, you'll probably be okay, but I'd definitely recommend going for some more balance. Take that lunch beef, and put it on a big salad with plenty of lettuce or spinach, maybe a small (carefully weighed!) handful of nuts, maybe grate a hard-boiled egg in there. Put some oilive oil and a little splash of vinegar on there, and you'll be getting a much more balanced meal, without needing to just eat coconut oil straight, which is tremendously boring.

Also, are you getting enough water? It's critical that you drink plenty of water, to help your system regulate properly into its new biochemistry.

You can absolutely treat depression with diet, and well done you figuring out what you need to do! Be warned that keto isn't going to cure you compeltely, but it will probably help you get your brain chemistry under control, so more conventional treatments can do their job properly.

Good luck!
Keep Calm and Keto On
-AGT

WBB55

Be warned that keto isn't going to cure you compeltely, but it will probably help you get your brain chemistry under control, so more conventional treatments can do their job properly.

Please re-read this statement and note how many people (even pro-keto people) are urging you that a keto diet can HELP with depression. And that it might not be the ONLY thing you need.

majinboox

I am doing a ketogenic diet, I have a question please help me. I cook 6oz of beef with 2 coconut oil tablespoon and I also drink 2 tablespoons of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal. I dont know if I'm consuming too much fat, because sometimes i feel too full and sleepy after eating, and sometimes I get nausea. In myfinesspal i introduce the default 6oz of cooked beef and the 2 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil that I drink.

Do I have to introduce in myfitnesspal the 2 tablespoons of oil I use to cook too? And the condiments? (one dash of salt, oregano, black pepper that I use to cook?) My fat percentage in myfitnesspal is of 73% without introducing the coconut oil that I use to cook.

I am in my four week of ketogenic diet, i am 27 years old hypoglicemic ectomorph 168 cm - 120 lb with depression/dysphoria, i am consuming around 1500 calories per day because i get full fast, i just want help please to measure my fat intake, the coconut oil that i use to cook the beef raise my fat intake? do i need use a custom recipe adding the 2 tablespoon of coconut oil that i use to cook the meat? too much fat cause nausea or sleepy right? yesterday i drink even only 1 tablespoon of unrefined virgin coconut oil before each meal and feel sleepy.

my ketogenic template is like this:

i drink 2 tablespoon of virgin coconut oil before each meal.

breakfast:

2 slides of cheddar cheese

lunch:

6oz of beef meat cooked with 2 tablespoons of coconut oil + 1 dash of oregano, salt, black pepper.
1/2 cup of broccoli or cauliflower

dinner:

same of lunch, diferent beef cut.

Okay, a few notes on your macros: Keto diet macros should look roughly like this: 5% carbs, 30% protein, 65% fat. There's some variation in recommendations, but that's about right. Some people say 10% carbs and 60% fat - that should work too. I'm concerned that you're already at 73% fat, and you haven't added all of your oil in yet. I think you're not getting enough protein, which might be what you need to increase.

Also, where are all of your veggies? a cup of broccoli or cauliflower per day probably isn't going to cut it nutrient-wise. If you're supplementing vitamins, you'll probably be okay, but I'd definitely recommend going for some more balance. Take that lunch beef, and put it on a big salad with plenty of lettuce or spinach, maybe a small (carefully weighed!) handful of nuts, maybe grate a hard-boiled egg in there. Put some oilive oil and a little splash of vinegar on there, and you'll be getting a much more balanced meal, without needing to just eat coconut oil straight, which is tremendously boring.

Also, are you getting enough water? It's critical that you drink plenty of water, to help your system regulate properly into its new biochemistry.

You can absolutely treat depression with diet, and well done you figuring out what you need to do! Be warned that keto isn't going to cure you compeltely, but it will probably help you get your brain chemistry under control, so more conventional treatments can do their job properly.

Good luck!
Keep Calm and Keto On
-AGT

i have food allergies or sensivities i just notice until now, sadly we dont have a blood test to identify these foods, i am trying a ketogenic elimination diet, my main suspects are nightshades (tomatoes, cucumbers), salmon, letucce, spinach, eggs, garlic, because i am tracking how i feel after eating and cucumber, tomatoes and letucce salad with salmon gives me a lot of lethargy feelings with depresion just minutes after eating, i need to try letucce alone, but garlic, tomatoes and cucumbers are highly suspicious because i tried them alone with a serving of salmon, 6oz of salmon with garlic and cucumbers gives me a lot of depression, mushrooms with lettuce and salt give me like lethargy and a lot of depression too, shrimps cooked with garlic give me a weird feeling of lethargy and depression too.

if you have a food allergy you have inflamation and your gut flora is compromised, 80% of our serotonin receptors are in our gut, sugar causes inflamation and kills your good gut bacteria, you can heal your body with a ketogenic diet and cure your depression or even adhd, read the book grain brain by dr perlmutter, its not my only source of course.

i am taking probiotics, zinc ( causes me nausea i think, so no more zinc from tommorrow on), magnesium, resveratrol, turmeric curcumin, vitamin d-3, fish oil 1.5g, potassium, my urine test showed me high levels of calcium oxalate so i am drinking a lot of water 1 hour after each meal because i feel too full after eating and sometimes i get a little drowsy because of it.

my concern is taking high proteins and low fat, because of it i drink 2 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil before each meal, but i will lower it to 1 tablespoon, maybe too much fat gives me drowsy feelings, i dont like celery because it gives me a bad mouth taste all day and olive oil is suspicious to give me allergy, i used olive oil in my old salads but i remove it after eating mushrooms, lettuce and olive oil and after minutes i feel lethargic with depression. Thats why my vegetable consumes are limited and i'm only eating broccoli and cauloflower.

i am taking sun when i can and exercising 60 min on a eliptical machine daily, my body should heal in 3 months to 1 year.

thanks for your help.

maria_antoinette

Never even heard of this diet.. is this like atkins???... I love the idea.. since i have been on Paleo ( no grains or dairy ) higher fat.. I have noticed much less hunger, usually i am happy.. but now i am like SUPER HAPPY...... I have been reading about the fat thing and very interesting how lately they are saying fat is good for you.. so i am all for this... did not even realize it boosted anything.. i just thought the lack of carbs was good.. saturday i am going for a complete blood panel and we will check my cholesterol.. i have been eating extra lately and have lost weight... will also ask my new doctor to chime in on the topic of fat... usually they are the last ones to come on board with the new findings.. we will see...

majinboox

Never even heard of this diet.. is this like atkins???... I love the idea.. since i have been on Paleo ( no grains or dairy ) higher fat.. I have noticed much less hunger, usually i am happy.. but now i am like SUPER HAPPY...... I have been reading about the fat thing and very interesting how lately they are saying fat is good for you.. so i am all for this... did not even realize it boosted anything.. i just thought the lack of carbs was good.. saturday i am going for a complete blood panel and we will check my cholesterol.. i have been eating extra lately and have lost weight... will also ask my new doctor to chime in on the topic of fat... usually they are the last ones to come on board with the new findings.. we will see...

do you feel super happy all the time?, I feel like very neutral, I do not care to be alive or dead, is like empty feeling.
The brain works better with ketones, you need to read about dr perlmutter http://www.drperlmutter.com/

maria_antoinette

Never even heard of this diet.. is this like atkins???... I love the idea.. since i have been on Paleo ( no grains or dairy ) higher fat.. I have noticed much less hunger, usually i am happy.. but now i am like SUPER HAPPY...... I have been reading about the fat thing and very interesting how lately they are saying fat is good for you.. so i am all for this... did not even realize it boosted anything.. i just thought the lack of carbs was good.. saturday i am going for a complete blood panel and we will check my cholesterol.. i have been eating extra lately and have lost weight... will also ask my new doctor to chime in on the topic of fat... usually they are the last ones to come on board with the new findings.. we will see...

do you feel super happy all the time?, I feel like very neutral, I do not care to be alive or dead, is like empty feeling.
The brain works better with ketones, you need to read about dr perlmutter http://www.drperlmutter.com/

Love the website you showed me.. VERY INTERESTING...... how do you feel with this new diet.. . i really beelive in your brain and what you eat.. like those old commercials in the 80's ( you are what you eat).. i really hope its helping you.