Am I not meant to be a runner?

Jaywalker_7

I'm not looking to join the debate, but OP, I started running 6-7 months ago. I weighed 325 lbs (I'm a 27yr/female). I had AWFUL pain at first and was frustrated with walking, I just wanted to be able to start running. I forced myself to take a step back and do tiny walk/run intervals anywhere from 2-5 days a week. I'm currently down to 277 and I still struggle but it's nothing like before. I had such painful shin splints before I could barely walk the day following my workout. I just pushed myself way too hard and fast. Now I don't get shin splints at all. But I'm currently only running 1-3 miles at a time depending on how I feel and some days I still walk a bit, others I push to run the whole time. Along with slowing down my pace and how far I push myself, I got a few tips from the lovely internet that helped tremendously. I googled how to run, and literally practicing how my foot hit the pavement helped tremendously. I felt silly...like shouldn't one just KNOW how to run? But the little changes helped a lot. Obviously at 277 lbs I still have a long way to go, and in case you couldn't tell I am NO running expert, but I thought I would share my experience anyway. Good luck in whatever you choose!

Mr_Knight

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

Most Evangelicals (at least in the US) do not believe in plate tectonics, believe it or not, as it's pretty inconsistent with the Young Earth fantasy.

RHachicho

Here's the honest truth.

Alot of people have deformed feet.

The culprit ... the regular wearing of shoes.

No sorry but this really is the truth. I love running. I do it whenever i can but I will never manage a whole 5k. The reason is bunions. Brought about because for a short period when young I had to wear shoes that where too small for me. The fact is wearing shoes at ALL is extremely un natural and subtlety warps your feet after a time. Of course some of us get away with more who have genetically better feet and/or luckier/smarter parents who make sure their kids shoes always fit. But some peoples feet just end up deformed. What do you think bunions are? Some people will always say where there is a will there is a way. But fact is some people will never be good at running again. Because the structure of their feet is warped and compromised. And in all likelihood can't be fixed.

QueenBishOTUniverse

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

Most Evangelicals (at least in the US) do not believe in plate tectonics, believe it or not, as it's pretty inconsistent with the Young Earth fantasy.

Of course not, they can't. But it's A LOT harder to dispute in the general public without making it abundantly clear just how far gone you are.

LoneWolfRunner

Get Eric Orton's "The Cool Impossible" and follow his routines for building foot, ankle, knee, hip and core strength... I struggled at first... plus I have had both hips replaced... his routines helped me get to 45-50 miles per week and up to running ultras in about three years

LiftAllThePizzas

Pointing out that humans often aren't very good at sitting a horse doesn't mean that the horse is not a much more efficient runner.

Wrong again.

Otterluv

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

Most Evangelicals (at least in the US) do not believe in plate tectonics, believe it or not, as it's pretty inconsistent with the Young Earth fantasy.

Of course not, they can't. But it's A LOT harder to dispute in the general public without making it abundantly clear just how far gone you are.

Yep.

afortunatedragon

Get Eric Orton's "The Cool Impossible" and follow his routines for building foot, ankle, knee, hip and core strength... I struggled at first... plus I have had both hips replaced... his routines helped me get to 45-50 miles per week and up to running ultras in about three years

Finally something about the topic!

rogerOb1

The Zulu armies disagree with the notion that humans aren't built to run distance. The meagerness of ancient Greece disagree as well. Thinking humans aren't made to run is akin to believing the Earth is flat and the solar system revolves around us.

Of course, some people are unwilling to accept science. They are what is commonly referred to as wrong.

Then surely you'd factor in lifestyle? Id imagine the Zulus and ancient Greek runners didn't have diets like most folks from the US and UK - amongst the most overweight nations on earth. Have humans ever been as overweight as they are now?

rogerOb1

Looks like it's time for this:



The "non-belief" in science also explains so much.

The thing about science...there are laws that are absolutes (like gravity). But after that there are lots of theories that have been backed up by research, tests and evidence and conventions. That doesn't mean they are all infallibly correct.

Some theories are disproven as technology/knowledge improves. The scientific community can sometimes turn "nay sayers" into outcasts. Anyway, talk about off topic....

rogerOb1

Back on topic:

OP, have you tried compression sleeves/socks? Theyre supposed to be good for shin splints - they definitely helped my calf issues.

You might need to change your running style? Its worth looking into. It sounds like you gave the minimalist thing a try? I don't think that's for everyone - but those who do try it need to transition from their regular shoes quite slowly to prevent injury it seems.

Elsie_Brownraisin

Wow - that went off course quickly.

OP: have you been to see a physio on a regular basis? If you find one that sees a lot of runners specifically, they may be able to help you when they see the same strains and sprains in you time over and be able to let you know what body position/pronation/running style is most likely to be causing these injuries.

I'm not going to get into an argument about whether it's good or bad for the body, because I only have one person to base this on, but my husband is a long distance runner and his legs and feet are perpetually screwed.

The following have made things better though:

* finding out he's flat footed and having better suited shoes fitted with orthotics (not off the shelf, custom made for him - good old NHS provided these, as all shoes cause him pain, so he can taken them out of his regular shoes and use them when he runs)

* seeing a sports physio (who treats a lot of runners, rather than rugby players)

* stretches in the evening

* joining a running club - they have coaches who will look at what you're doing wrong and right. He has been running for over 10 years, but it's really improved over the last couple of years, including injuries.

Hope you find something that works, it must be really lousy to be prevented from doing something you really enjoy because of pain.

jimmmer

Wow, that got weird...

Anyway, OP, are you doing any resistance work to support your running programme? Most successful athletes (and enthusiastic amatuers) do some sort of strengthening work outside their sport (at least they do if they want to stay in the game long term)

Look into strength programmes for runners. 2x week should be enough.

CupcakeCrusoe

The only thing I can add to this, because seeing a physio at least once would be an excellent idea, is that you should make sure you're not running through injury. If something hurts, stop and walk. See if the pain goes away. Don't run through something that hurts, it could make it worse. And if things continue to hurt when you slow to a walk, take some time away from running. You don't want to aggravate anything and make the problem worse.

wonderwoman234

Get Eric Orton's "The Cool Impossible" and follow his routines for building foot, ankle, knee, hip and core strength... I struggled at first... plus I have had both hips replaced... his routines helped me get to 45-50 miles per week and up to running ultras in about three years

Finally something about the topic!

Agreed! Hijacking trolls are so annoying.

OP - if you are overweight at all, that may impede your running and impact injury significantly. It all comes down to biomechanics. I also LOVE to run and was up to 7 miles a day in my late 30's. I had to scale back after that because of injuries. Then in my 40's, I got plantar fasciitis that took close to a year to heal. I have not run since but I still view it as the best exercise (for me). I love to run!

What I will tell you is that I have learned to enjoy other activities - spinning, Cybex Arc Trainer, walking, hiking. I tested out running last week to see how it felt. Cardio-wise, it felt effortless because the spinning has me in great shape, but I could feel pain in my feet and shins and I realized I am not willing to get injured again and then be sidelined for a long period of time, so I will not pursue it right now. When I lose another 20 lbs. I will test it out again.

And to answer your question directly, I believe some people are better off doing other forms of exercise IF they are prone to running injuries. My dad is 77 and still runs for an hour a day. Even after slipping on the ice and having knee surgery, he's back at it! The man is built for running! But I know many people who have given it up because of injury and there is no shame in that. It's all what you want and what you are willing to endure for the sake of running.

FlabFighter86

Hi OP. I know exactly how frustrating this is. I ran for about 6 months and lost an entire stone in weight. I felt so good about myself. I was doing the couch to 5k, and was on week 8 of 9. Then bam. I got pains in my shins. I had shin splints. Granted my shoes were quite worn. So I ditched the shoes and got a new pair. But it didn't matter, I had shin splints, I couldn't run in the new shoes.
So I started walking to and from work. 5 miles in total. The repetitive action of me walking every day caused me to have tendonitis! I just felt like I couldn't win. I thought, ' I can't walk, I can't run, am I just meant to be fat?' So I ended up putting all the weight back on again. I felt awful. I'd been to the Dr, they just told me to take ibuprofen...
Started up at the gym, and they were really helpful and created a program where I could continue to improve my fitness, without causing pain in my feet and shins. I was able to use the cross trainer as it is very low impact. So that's one thing that you can do, if you can afford it.
It has been a year since I got shin splints. I don't get the pain anymore, and decided that I could maybe go for a run last week, but I ran for about 2 minutes, and the pain came back.
I now just cycle a lot. I do squats, stretches, and the occasional walk when my foot feels up to it.
Sorry for the lengthy story. I'm actually glad I'm not the only one, but also hope you find a way.

MSeel1984

Get. Good. Shoes.

Best advice anyone ever gave me. I got shin splints and rolled my ankles regularly. I finally went to one of those nice (albeit expensive) running stores and was fitted with a really nice pair of shoes...I've loved running ever since.

icrushit

I've had a lot of running friends advocate the front-foot running route, as they find it a great way to eliminate many of the issues they faced while running in the typical heel-striking way. Basically, instead of landing on your heel first with each stride, you land on the middle/ upper-middle part of your foot, which seems to result in a lot of the impact stress being taken by your tendons and muscles, instead of the joints in your body (ie heels and knees).

Anyway, I'm no expert, just wanted to suggest a potential alternative that others have found useful, although as a way of reducing the stresses on the joints, it would be a running form I would be sympathethic to, as I definitely have some long held running goals I wish to pursue in the near future.

If you are going to go this route, it pays to inform yourself fully before you do, as you basically ditch the wonder shoes of modern times, and go back to the more basic type of running shoe without any of the modern cushioning/ gel/ raised heel. Without such cushioning you don't want to be landing on your unprotected heels, so technique is important, as is building up gradually, as basically you are putting the stress from your heel onto your tendons and muscles instead, and these need to be allowed time to adjust and adapt to the task. Some even seem to say, start with something like 100 metres a day, a few times a week, and give yourself several months to get used to it all.

Anyway, the goal is basically to emulate barefoot running, or how you would run in bare feet, a form of running where injuries don't seem to be as frequent. All anecdotal from my end here, but perhaps this might be an alternative you might find useful to consider, or not

SanteMulberry

Didn't say that it did but the poster mentioned evolution as the basis of our ability to run. You may accept evolution as "reality" but I see it as the underpinning of a religion.

Which one?

Atheism. Atheism is a belief system, every bit as much as any religion. It posits a "no-God" hypothesis.

SanteMulberry

I love to run, it makes me feel alive but I have been plagued by injuries from running for a long time. I've tried everything. I bought top of the line motion control shoes, highly rated inserts, went to PT, tried minimal shoes, have lost weight, and stretching and nothing seems to prevent injury.

I just came back from 3 months of rest and PT for three types of tendonitis in my foot, which included my achilles, plantars fasciitis, and peronnial tendonitis. Now Im back and followed a jeff galloway Couch25K plan and now not only is some of tendonitis coming back but I can feel shin splints forming again too. I'm only running about 2 x 3 times a week for 1.5-2 miles max. I don't understand what I am doing wrong.

Are some people not meant to be runners or has anyone else done something that helped them triumph over a similar situation?

I'll probably get jumped on for this but: My personal opinion is that almost no one is meant to be a long-distance runner. It is extremely hard on the body but those who are addicted to it would run even if it killed them. I understand the exhilaration thing (I do pool exercise and nothing makes me happier than sprints in the water--amazing for the mood). In addition to being hard on the body, those who are very successful as long-distance runners look pretty awful. You end up consuming your muscle and most long-distance runners look very haggard in addition to having numerous musculo-skeletal problems. One of my MFP friends is a long-distance runner and she is plagued by injuries--is going for p.t. and has to get cortisone shots. Her physiotherapist told her to take up water exercise instead. I have had other running friends with the same problems. Not worth it.

You'll only get jumped on it because this opinion is demonstrably wrong. Evolutionarily, running is what human beings are designed to do. Not sprinting (we're not going to outrun any other animal over short distances), but for long, steady-state running. Sure, people do it wrong, they ramp up to fast, they don't wear the right gear, and they get injured. People also get injured squatting too much weight and dropping barbells on their throats. Not liking running is one thing, and that's cool, but it really is what we are designed to do.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7015/full/nature03052.html

the abstract: "Striding bipedalism is a key derived behaviour of hominids that possibly originated soon after the divergence of the chimpanzee and human lineages. Although bipedal gaits include walking and running, running is generally considered to have played no major role in human evolution because humans, like apes, are poor sprinters compared to most quadrupeds. Here we assess how well humans perform at sustained long-distance running, and review the physiological and anatomical bases of endurance running capabilities in humans and other mammals. Judged by several criteria, humans perform remarkably well at endurance running, thanks to a diverse array of features, many of which leave traces in the skeleton. The fossil evidence of these features suggests that endurance running is a derived capability of the genus Homo, originating about 2 million years ago, and may have been instrumental in the evolution of the human body form."

Here's a summary if you can't get the scholarly article
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041123163757.htm

Tell it to Pheidippides. I don't believe that mankind "evolved" from apes either so the article would be a "no sale". I think we are exactly as we were designed to be. Most of us are lousy runners and I expect that is why horsemanship developed. :laugh:

Well, the article didn't say we evolved from apes, so...not sure where you are getting that. It says our ancestors were ape-like, and then we diverged into separate lineages, which is what happened.

But can't argue with someone who is just dead set on an opinion, no matter what reality says, so I guess this is good day?

Didn't say that it did but the poster mentioned evolution as the basis of our ability to run. You may accept evolution as "reality" but I see it as the underpinning of a religion.

Keep talking, it makes you look smarter

I have no need to LOOK smarter. :smokin:

SanteMulberry

The Zulu armies disagree with the notion that humans aren't built to run distance. The meagerness of ancient Greece disagree as well. Thinking humans aren't made to run is akin to believing the Earth is flat and the solar system revolves around us.

Of course, some people are unwilling to accept science. They are what is commonly referred to as wrong.

I accept a great deal of real science. I do not accept "just so" stories that "scientists" invent to justify their beliefs. Science is based on evidence and the evidence suggests that the complexity of life did not happen as a result of random forces. Not. Enough. Time.

SanteMulberry

Looks like it's time for this:



The "non-belief" in science also explains so much.

On the contrary, I probably "believe in science" more than most people since I am married to a Ph.D. scientist who has published over 70 articles in peer-reviewed journals.

SanteMulberry

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

Most Evangelicals (at least in the US) do not believe in plate tectonics, believe it or not, as it's pretty inconsistent with the Young Earth fantasy.

Of course not, they can't. But it's A LOT harder to dispute in the general public without making it abundantly clear just how far gone you are.

Or that you simply don't buy the "official" explanation. Today, evolutionary biologists can't reject any aspect of TOE or they would lose their jobs--it makes them heretics from the ruling belief system. I've spoken to graduate students in biology who say that it is fraught with peril to question any of it. Stephen Jay Gould was risking his career when he disputed gradualism--saying that there was NO evidence among the fossils to support it. Fortunately for him, the biology big deals were able to do a workaround on it. It was also fortuitous that he died and they now lie and say that he, of course, believed everything that they believe and that TOE is big enough to incorporate dissenting opinion. But, denying gradualism is a VERY BIG DEAL, whether they choose to recognize it or not. It absolutely stands in contradiction to "gradual change over time" which, by the way is the official explanation of how evolution works. Science should never be coerced by political expediency or belief systems.

Capt_Apollo

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

they mostly misuse the word "theory" and think it's a hypothesis. it's not. a theory is a proven and accepted explanation of what has happened.

alereck

:frown: that must suck, I haven't had an injury related to sports or exercise yet and I really don't want one

I hope you can find a solution but have you tried something else you might like? Swimming would be great for anyone with these kind of injuries and I find that swimming is similar to running. I'm in my own little world, distance goals, cardio....

QueenBishOTUniverse

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

Most Evangelicals (at least in the US) do not believe in plate tectonics, believe it or not, as it's pretty inconsistent with the Young Earth fantasy.

Of course not, they can't. But it's A LOT harder to dispute in the general public without making it abundantly clear just how far gone you are.

Or that you simply don't buy the "official" explanation. Today, evolutionary biologists can't reject any aspect of TOE or they would lose their jobs--it makes them heretics from the ruling belief system. I've spoken to graduate students in biology who say that it is fraught with peril to question any of it. Stephen Jay Gould was risking his career when he disputed gradualism--saying that there was NO evidence among the fossils to support it. Fortunately for him, the biology big deals were able to do a workaround on it. It was also fortuitous that he died and they now lie and say that he, of course, believed everything that they believe and that TOE is big enough to incorporate dissenting opinion. But, denying gradualism is a VERY BIG DEAL, whether they choose to recognize it or not. It absolutely stands in contradiction to "gradual change over time" which, by the way is the official explanation of how evolution works. Science should never be coerced by political expediency or belief systems.

I'm sorry, I have to ask, have you read Gould? And if so, what books? And to clarify why I'm asking, yes, he proposed controversial new theories on HOW evolution worked, but he never contradicted the concept of evolution via natural selection or that it was an important part of the evolutionary process. He DID suggest that evolution could potentially be equally influenced by other factors such as genetic drift (a theory which is now well accepted within the biological community). And he CERTAINLY never had ANY issues speaking his mind or arguing with people. He was actually well known for being a bit of a blow hard and regularly tore in to people he disagreed with in his papers and other publications.

This is like saying geologist are throwing plate tectonics out the window because they had several years of controversy over whether the primary drive of plate movement was convection currents in the mantle or slab pulling from heavy old oceanic crust. At no time were geologists suggesting plate tectonics as a theory was invalid, they were just arguing over specific mechanisms and their relative importance.

And as someone who has taught undergraduate biology, an undergraduate student simply does not have the education level necessary to grasp evolutionary theory in it's full complexity. I couldn't effectively begin synthesizing everything I learned in undergraduate until well in to my first year of grad school, and I was hardly the only one, this was actually a common topic for discussion. Things just suddenly started fitting together and making sense. Because this is fairly typical, it's not uncommon for undergrad students to feel their skepticism is being disregarded, when in fact it is a simple matter that we can only address so many questions in a single semester and with time everything will "hopefully" come together if they continue in the field.

QueenBishOTUniverse

Tip: if you want to insist that something isn't true, you should at least know what that thing actually says.

No kidding. But then, MFP wouldn't be half the fun it is without unknowledgeable people making definitive statements.

:drinker:

With any luck the Flat Earthers will now dog pile this thread....

I just love how people conveniently forget we had this EXACT same set of arguments over plate tectonics less than 50 years ago. Just a theory, can't prove it, don't teach it in schools! Any guesses why you never hear main stream arguments about plate tectonics any more?

they mostly misuse the word "theory" and think it's a hypothesis. it's not. a theory is a proven and accepted explanation of what has happened.

Or don't understand the difference between Evolution, which is a concept that was around long before Darwin, and Natural Selection which is the part they actually don't like.

kelly_e_montana

I don't think everyone is meant to be a distance runner. I think you can overcome things, but I think we are naturally better at certain things than others, for one thing based on their proportion of different types of muscle fibers ( slow twitch and fast twitch a and fast twitch b). I've always been a fast twitcher! Good at explosive movements, sprinting, etc. but sucky at long slow endurance exercise. I can work to overcome it but it doesn't come naturally like many other sports do. That doesn't speak to your question, but it does go back to the post about the sprint/walker. I do 5K trail races, but I much prefer 100 m sprints or really anything up to 400 with a recovery period followed by more sprinting. I have been running for about 10 years off and on and this has never really changed. Distance running still feels bad today.:laugh:

George_Baileys_Ghost

If the good Lord meant us to be distance runners, then explain cars to me thank you very much!

Served!

LoneWolfRunner

Enough with all this stupid *kitten*.... lace up your effin shoes and run...