Quackery, pseudoscience, and just generally bad information.

SideSteel
SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
I'm not sure who the originator of this blog is, but I find this to be a good read covering the 4 current biggest quacks in the business:




http://www.alternet.org/print/personal-health/four-biggest-quacks-plaguing-america-their-bad-claims-about-science


A few of the brilliant people at sciencebasedmedicine are quoted in the artice. You can find their site here:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ (<--- actual science)

^ And I recommend it.
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  • SunofaBeach14
    SunofaBeach14 Posts: 4,899 Member
    Another vote for sciencebasedmedicine.org. It's a great resource for fact checking sensationalist FB posts and news articles.
  • ihad
    ihad Posts: 7,463 Member
    Good reading.
  • Ludka13
    Ludka13 Posts: 136 Member
    An osteopath is a real doctor. This is from Wikipedia. However I will agree that Mercola is a quack.

    Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O. or DO) is a professional doctoral degree for physicians and surgeons offered by medical schools in the United States. Holders of the D.O. degree have attained the ability to become licensed as osteopathic physicians who have equivalent rights, privileges, and responsibilities as physicians with a Doctor of Medicine degree (M.D.).[1] D.O. physicians are licensed to practice the full scope of medicine and surgery in 65 countries,[2] including all 50 states in the US, and make up 7 percent of the total U.S. physician population. In 2013, there were 87,300 osteopathic physicians in the United States.[3]

    Currently, there are 30 medical schools with 42 locations throughout the United States that offer the D.O. degree,[4] and 141 medical schools that offer the M.D. degree.[5][6] As of 2011, 1 in 5 medical students in the United States were D.O. students.[7][8] The curricula at osteopathic medical schools are very similar to those at M.D.-granting medical schools.[9] Four years in total length,[9] the first two years of medical school focus on the biomedical and clinical sciences, followed by two years of core clinical training in the clinical specialties.

    Upon leaving medical school, D.O. graduates may enter internship or residency training programs, which may be followed by fellowship training.[9] Many D.O. graduates attend the same graduate medical education programs as their M.D. counterparts,[10] and then take M.D. specialty board exams,[11] while other D.O. graduates enter osteopathic programs[12][13] and take D.O. specialty board examinations.[14]

    One notable difference between D.O. and M.D. training is that D.O. training adds 300–500 hours studying philosophically-based techniques for hands-on manipulation of the human musculoskeletal system. These techniques, known as osteopathic manipulative medicine (OMM),[1] have been criticized as "pseudoscientific".[15][16]
  • michellemybelll
    michellemybelll Posts: 2,228 Member
    that's a great piece. i know several people i'd love to make sit down and read that.
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    Bookmarked!
  • GiveMeCoffee
    GiveMeCoffee Posts: 3,556 Member
    Great reading! Thanks
  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    +1 for this thread
  • shadow2soul
    shadow2soul Posts: 7,692 Member
    I must be living under a rock. I wasn't aware that Dr. Oz got lectured by the senate. I find that pretty freaking hilarious.

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  • BigGuy47
    BigGuy47 Posts: 1,768 Member
    I bookmarked the Science Based medicine link.

    I'll add Examine to the list of balanced sites.

    http://examine.com/

    Examine seems to offer an unbiased approach to providing information. Not having a scientific background, I'm not the best judge of such things.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I bookmarked the Science Based medicine link.

    I'll add Examine to the list of balanced sites.

    http://examine.com/

    Examine seems to offer an unbiased approach to providing information. Not having a scientific background, I'm not the best judge of such things.

    ^ Yep, Examine.com is great.
  • HappyTrails7
    HappyTrails7 Posts: 878 Member
    Thanks for the links. Bookmarked for future reference.
  • Serah87
    Serah87 Posts: 5,481 Member
    Bump. Good read. Thank you. :flowerforyou:
  • QuietBloom
    QuietBloom Posts: 5,413 Member
    I must be living under a rock. I wasn't aware that Dr. Oz got lectured by the senate. I find that pretty freaking hilarious.

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    Yep, he pretty much got his quacky little a** handed to him.
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    In! Tagging for tomorrow when I'm on a computer. Thanks, SS!
  • Nachise
    Nachise Posts: 395 Member
    Don't be so quick to dismiss DOs. My previous primary care physician was a DO who was masterfully well informed. She was the first to diagnose a chronic medical condition that was finally corrected by surgery last year. I probably would have had the surgery years earlier had she not retired. I also saw a DO for treatment of a back injury due to an automobile accident, and I was free of pain in no time.

    There are quite a number of frauds out there. I tend to raise my eyebrows at the "cures-all" pitch, or the ones that claim that the government jailed the inventor because of their claims. The inventor was most likely jailed for practicing medicine without a license.
  • gypsy_spirit
    gypsy_spirit Posts: 2,107 Member
    Bookmarked in the names of science and sanity. :drinker:
  • PennyVonDread
    PennyVonDread Posts: 432 Member
    I'm very glad Dr. Oz made the list. He uses scare-tactic, panic propaganda to sell gimmicky products. I hate people who sell by fear or panic over sensibility. His hype is almost always exclusively negative, and he is wonderful at using abstracts from recent studies and completely taking them out of context.
  • weightliftingdiva
    weightliftingdiva Posts: 522 Member
    The extent to which modern Americans have fallen prey to scare tactics and health myths is frightening. My friends on my summer program routinely refer to some foods as "healthy" and "unhealthy" and still think saturated fat is the end-all evil. Some of them also believe protein is a "marketing scam " (:noway:). Recently we are looking at the frozen foods and Amy's got deemed to be the "healthiest" compared to the other comparable things that were there - with no one even looking at the nutrition on the boxes. :laugh:

    Healthy is relative. And science is science. We are all so easily swayed by people on TV and in big white coats.
  • BigGuy47
    BigGuy47 Posts: 1,768 Member
    I must be living under a rock. I wasn't aware that Dr. Oz got lectured by the senate. I find that pretty freaking hilarious.

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    Yep, he pretty much got his quacky little a** handed to him.
    He looked shell shocked coming out of the hearings. I checked his show a couple times in the past few weeks. I was surprised to hear him giving sound advice (diet and exercise) rather than pimping the latest miracle fix. Maybe after getting beat up he's changing his tune ? Or is it only a matter of time until he falls back into the marketing the magical elixirs?
  • PennyVonDread
    PennyVonDread Posts: 432 Member
    On #2 Mike Adams... You also need to be careful about the fluoridated water opposition argument. The national media made Portland, OR look stupid by saying we oppose fluoride being added to our water but we buy just as many toothpaste products containing fluoride as other parts of the country.

    Our first protest was based on the ethics of it all, how Mayor Sam Adams tried to rush a 4-year project into an extremely accelerated project that he just sprung on us without warning. How he barely gave anyone time to react or oppose or vote, and that he made the decision "for our own good." However, what they don't tell you is that the "fluoride" they wanted to add to our water supply wasn't FDA-approved, food-grade calcium fluoride like they use in toothpaste; it was fluorisilicic acid, a corrosive chemical by-product of fertilizer production that they wanted to dilute into our clean water supply because it's "safe" in parts per million. These kinds of bad politics happen, and a lot of areas in opposition to fluoride, like Portland was, are not against "calcium fluoride" so it's unfair to highlight that point in the article without understanding the politics behind it's opposition.
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  • trinatrina1984
    trinatrina1984 Posts: 1,018 Member
    In to read later and also say this guy writes a lot of interesting stuff

    http://www.badscience.net/category/weight-loss/
  • leggup
    leggup Posts: 2,942 Member
    Yes, yes, and more yes.

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  • Jess__I__Can
    Jess__I__Can Posts: 307 Member
    +1
  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    Awesome!
  • arussell134
    arussell134 Posts: 463 Member
    THANK YOU for sharing this! I have a number of friends who like to share Food Babe's posts (and other sensationalists like her) and it drives me batty. While I do believe in eating better and educating yourself about food, her approach has always rubbed me the wrong way.

    The other day, she even shared a post she'd written TWO YEARS ago about how Starbucks' food is bad for you. Newflash = they've changed their menu and even bigger newsflash = they've NEVER positioned themselves to be healthy! Here's an idea - instead of trying to expose and bring down every single company that doesn't make food the way you like how about supporting the businesses you do enjoy? Or saving a buck and making your own food? Even more maddening at the end of that article was a picture of the blogger, enjoying the free WiFi at Starbucks. Typical.

    Again, thank you. Bookmarking this for later!
  • morkiemama
    morkiemama Posts: 894 Member
    Saving for reference :)
  • kittyr77
    kittyr77 Posts: 419 Member
    wow. just wow.
    Im not sure what shocked me the most. probably that AIDS is caused by the psychological stress of having HIV - UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • zenalasca
    zenalasca Posts: 563 Member
    The sad thing is that there IS some truth in what Mercola says and intelligent people like my dad are whole heartedly conned into buying his products (from Australia no less).
  • oedipa_maas
    oedipa_maas Posts: 577 Member
    Thank you for the links. I've been looking for more anti-quackery/pro-science sites.