Any runners 207lb and over running less than 30 mins for 5K?

TMattP

Hello.

I'm 207lb. I've lost over a stone with MFP and I've been running regularly since about October 2013 when I finished C25K.

My 5K times have been coming down steadily for the last month but I'm wondering if there is a limit I'm going to reach. I'm currently running around the 9:15 min mile mark with 28 minutes for a 5K.

A mate who's about 12 stone is running 26 minute 5K's and he's struggling to get any faster.

I know there are training plans to increase speed but I'm wondering if the bulk I'm carrying is simply going to stop any further improvement when I get to a certain level.

I'm interested in people's opinions on this subject.

cwrig

Interesting topic.

Im currently at 235lbs (16.7 stones) and am halfway through C25K.

Im currently just trying to get to running longer than 15 minutes, but my pace when running is 12min/mile. So, Id be thrilled with you're time. My goal is to run a 5K in Sept at 30-31 minutes.

HealthWoke0ish

I'm about 240lb. My last 5k was just under 27 minutes and my last half marathon was two hours, nine minutes. I know I could be faster if I worked at it, but I heretofore have been working only on endurance, not speed. Last week, I picked one of the free workouts on Runkeeper (that's the app I've been using) that's supposed to help with speed. It has me running "strides" in many/most of my workouts. Time will tell if it makes a difference. Good luck to you.

thavoice

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

TMattP

Interesting topic.

Im currently at 235lbs (16.7 stones) and am halfway through C25K.

Im currently just trying to get to running longer than 15 minutes, but my pace when running is 12min/mile. So, Id be thrilled with you're time. My goal is to run a 5K in Sept at 30-31 minutes.

Hi.

Thanks for replying.

My goal when I was doing c25k was also just to finish it. The mistake I made was not using MFP and eating all the calories back. Since I've stopped doing that the weight has started to come off. I'm sure you will reach your target time.

TMattP

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

FrenchMob

Different people will have different aerobic limits - a certain point were getting faster is going to require a lot more work. A couple years ago I ran a 5k in 25 mins at 238 lbs. I also ran a half marathon in 2h30m at 258 lbs with barely any running in the last month before the race (due to a toe injury).

FrenchMob

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

yes this is true. There is a limit were weight will be a factor. You'll never see any Olympic sprinters weighing in the 200s..lol

It is based on VO2max which is measured by mL/(kg·min)
As you can see, the lighter you are, the faster you'll go at the same vo2max

hdesandre

I'm not 207lbs or over, but what worked best for me with time improvement was buying a running watch that gave me the ability to race myself. I chose the TomTom Runner but there are many competitors out there. Some of my friends use Garmin and it has the same ability. Now, when I want to work on pace, I use that setting and I can either set a goal time to finish, or race against my best time. It works like a charm to push me just a little farther.

TMattP

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

yes this is true. There is a limit were weight will be a factor. You'll never see any Olympic sprinters weighing in the 200s..lol

Well I suppose, but I guess the sprinters are in their own little bubble of existence. All the distance runners are tiny.

I do wonder what Usain Bolt's 5 and 10K times are.

TMattP

I'm not 207lbs or over, but what worked best for me with time improvement was buying a running watch that gave me the ability to race myself. I chose the TomTom Runner but there are many competitors out there. Some of my friends use Garmin and it has the same ability. Now, when I want to work on pace, I use that setting and I can either set a goal time to finish, or race against my best time. It works like a charm to push me just a little farther.

I use a Garmin Device. It has a virtual partner that I've been gradually speeding up. Gives me something to aim for.

hermann341

My last half marathon was about 6 weeks ago at about 205, and I managed an 8:49 pace.

thavoice

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

34blast

It is definitely possible as others have stated. I could do about 26 minute 5K at 235 with 30% body fat.

I'm now at 195 ish and did 5 miles in 38:30 last week. I mostly lift and play soccer and run once a week. So keep at it, you can do it.

I found I got faster as I lost body fat and gained some strength in deadlift and squat. However, I'm not training at all for distance. I just run the 1 or 2 times per week as best I can for 40 minutes. I don't follow any program for running because that is not my focus, but the programs from experts like C25K seem to work. I just run. I speed up and slow down alot to make it a bit like soccer.

thavoice

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

the more you run it the easier it becomes which in turn makes you faster. i did a half at am 8:01 pace while at 210. you do not need to be tiny to be fast. fast is a relative term.a though

Carrieendar

The lean winners thing won't change really when it comes to longer distance running...running is a battle against gravity. When running over longer distances Leaner, Lighter = Faster (less energy in movement, less energy for cooling, etc). But you don't have to be "tiny tiny" to win. Extend your weekly mileage a bit and speed will come. Keep some strength training to make sure your losses are more body fat and less lean mass.
ONce you get that weekly mileage extended,maybe try reading a bit of Matt Fitzgerald's work (Racing Weight) if you become interested in competing in distances

benjaminlight

I'm running between a 28 and 28:45 5K right now at 260. I've found increasing my cardio in the evening has made a huge difference as to by lung capacity. For me - it's all oxygen levels. The muscle in my legs doesn't have a problem - it's my wind intake that makes the difference.

You might up your cardio in addition to the running. High Intensity Elliptical, Fartleking, Swimming, cycling or something similar as long as it's High Intensity.

Don't know - I think you can always improve speed... but we'll see. I want to break the 9 minute barrier right now. I'm between 9:15 and 9:30 at the moment. I haven't raced a 5K before though - I run so much faster when I am with a pack.

Don't know if it helps or not...

... but to the guy working through C25K - keep it up bro!! It works. Flat out. I started with that, and I'm training for a half marathon right now. C25K made me a runner.

jtimdyer

im 227 and ran a 5k with my trainer buddy on this past 4th of July...
I did no training and ran in 23:30. im 38 years old fyi
i was pushing hard and in no way was it pretty.

as i lose some weight (217 now) with diet and exercise id be interested to see how close to the 20 min mark i could get.
who knows, plus as a hockey player i am used to getting from point A to ppoint B by gliding ...lol

DangerJim71

I typically am around 195 and run about a 21:00 5k. That usually puts me in the top 5 in the M 40-45 AG in smaller local races but maybe only the top %25 in larger fields with more talented runners.

I've read that you can shave about 2 seconds per pound per mile so long as you're losing fat and not muscle. It's probably a fairly accurate estimate.

dinos

I read somewhere that all things being equal, you should shave a minute off your 5K time for every 10 lbs you lose.

rrowdiness

It's been a while since I was 200+lb but looking back through my track logs I was consistently hitting sub 6 min kms between 200 and 220lb.

Lighter than that I did get a lot faster, but the big improvement was endurance, ie holding the 5:15-5:30 pace for 10km or more.

Are you using a sports tracker? Many of them have bolt-on training programmes that are worthwhile.

jogy

Woman 40 pounds overweight here. During the summer, I have a hard time running in the heat. So friends of mine suggested that I do shorter runs but in intervals. It works. I ran a 7km the other day and I cut down 30 seconds from my usual pace.

There is a lot of intervals apps out there so I am not gonna suggest one in particular because I feel it's personal.

So, if you are cutting time every time you run, go on doing what you are doing. If you have come to a "cruise control" speed, than you should try intervals.

TMattP

Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. Some very interesting comments.

I'm primarily a cyclist who wanted to have a go at running. I'm big legged, toned muscular from a lot of time in the saddle etc. Just got a death ring around my middle which I'm starting to get rid off (Looking back I was training my *kitten* off but over eating the calories so I was gaining or maintaining weight regardless of how hard I worked. Thanks to MFP for clearing that up).

I had no experience of running at all before trying the c25k. I can now run 10k in 66 mins and 5K under 30. Thats taken about 10 months.

I've seen steady improvements since I've gotten fitter and started to shed the weight. My original thought was that it was the weight that was stopping me from improving my times. I thought this because I had no baseline to compare myself against.

I can see now that this probably isn't the case. I'm going to continue what I'm doing. When the plateau comes I will try a program etc.

Dedulaney

It's about finding the right method for your own body to building the endurance. I started with C25K when I was pushing 250lbs. I more or less finished it but kind of got into my own groove for running intervals. This way, I was pushing myself to gain endurance and strength based on how my body was responding. Otherwise, just need some patience. I kept up with it and never let myself get discouraged if the "results" weren't immediate. Now I'm able to do a 5k in under 30 mins in the heat of a Gulf Coast summer and I'm still at 220lbs. The weight can be discouraging sometimes but the endurance (including cardiovascular) is still being built. Your body adapts to its given environment so it definitely is possible. I'm sure when I get near 207lbs I'll be running the 5k in about 25 mins.

_Waffle_

I've seen steady improvements since I've gotten fitter and started to shed the weight. My original thought was that it was the weight that was stopping me from improving my times. I thought this because I had no baseline to compare myself against.

Weight is still a factor. The elite runners are thin on purpose. Every pound you lose will give you about 2 seconds per mile improvement simply because you're carrying less. I don't know if this applies to a 5k but it can make a bigger difference for longer runs.

I can do a 5k in about 23 minutes @ 205 - 210 pounds. I'm hoping to get that down to 22 minutes. My last half was 1:54. I know that I'm not going to win any races at my size but I still have lots of fun.

Fluffyndelightful

My ultimate goal is to run a 5k in 30 minutes. I know that weighing less will definitely help me. I know some women around my size that run a 5k in about 35 minutes, but I can't seem to finish in less than 40 min. I'm currently 218. I'm sure my pace will increase with weight loss.

SonicDeathMonkey80

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

yes this is true. There is a limit were weight will be a factor. You'll never see any Olympic sprinters weighing in the 200s..lol

Well I suppose, but I guess the sprinters are in their own little bubble of existence. All the distance runners are tiny.

I do wonder what Usain Bolt's 5 and 10K times are.

I know a guy who is around 200lb and he runs a 16:45 5K and can do a flat 10 miler in 61min. He totally caught me by surprise because he wears skintight tri gear at the races and looks like a lumpy sausage.

And Usain Bolt ain't your guy. He's a sprinter and does 100-200M. If you want fast 5K/10K, you need to look at folks like Galen Rupp (he does a 26:44 10K, American record). To put that in perspective, a lot of running noobs struggle to break the 30min 5K barrier. He's already eating bananas, drinking beer, and touring the vendor tents by then.

SonicDeathMonkey80

My ultimate goal is to run a 5k in 30 minutes. I know that weighing less will definitely help me. I know some women around my size that run a 5k in about 35 minutes, but I can't seem to finish in less than 40 min. I'm currently 218. I'm sure my pace will increase with weight loss.

Marginally. Your pace will really increase with consistency and dedication over time. Weight loss is difficult to quantify as it relates to speed improvement due to training benefits over the period of weightloss, but the generally accepted number is 2sec per mile per pound.

tappae

I managed 25:25 at 197 pounds, which is >30% body fat on my frame. Weight isn't a great thing to compare because there are guys well over 200 pounds with a lower body fat % than me.

My PR was down around 173 pounds (22:43), but I was only 7 seconds slower two months later, having gained 10 pounds.

There's no linear relationship between weight and speed, but all else being equal, extra body fat is going to slow you down when you try to run fast (doesn't affect my training paces very much).

Mr_Knight

I know there are training plans to increase speed but I'm wondering if the bulk I'm carrying is simply going to stop any further improvement when I get to a certain level.

Yes, it will, but you're still a fair distance from that level (as am I, that's not a criicism :drinker: ).

For a dedicated amateur, a 18min 5k is feasible. Assuming a 150lb runner, you're looking at about 2:30 extra time for added weight, up to ~200 lbs. That puts the target range at a little over 20 minutes.

(All numbers approximate)

TMattP

ran 20:37 weighing 212. so whats the point of this thread? you can be bigger and still put out good times

That's great. So what you're saying is that you can get fit enough to run faster and still be pretty big. I've started doing 5k races and all the guys who win are tiny. I don't want to be tiny.

yes this is true. There is a limit were weight will be a factor. You'll never see any Olympic sprinters weighing in the 200s..lol

Well I suppose, but I guess the sprinters are in their own little bubble of existence. All the distance runners are tiny.

I do wonder what Usain Bolt's 5 and 10K times are.

I know a guy who is around 200lb and he runs a 16:45 5K and can do a flat 10 miler in 61min. He totally caught me by surprise because he wears skintight tri gear at the races and looks like a lumpy sausage.

And Usain Bolt ain't your guy. He's a sprinter and does 100-200M. If you want fast 5K/10K, you need to look at folks like Galen Rupp (he does a 26:44 10K, American record). To put that in perspective, a lot of running noobs struggle to break the 30min 5K barrier. He's already eating bananas, drinking beer, and touring the vendor tents by then.

Using Bolt was just an example of a big muscular sprinter. I have no idea what he weighs but I am curious as to what his distance times would be. Would a sprinter even bother to run a mile for example. I have no idea how a sprinter even trains.