6 meals a day is a lie. Your metabolism won't slow down.
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I personally like having 5 to 6 meals a day since I don't want to put my body into starvation mode, with all the weight training I do i need to constantly fuel my muscle.
yeah maybe that fasting stuff works, but if you lift weights you'll pass out doing that kind of dieting.0 -
For me, I feel deprived when a meal consists of only 200-300 cals lol! I think that as long as your calorie count remains consistent, you're going to lose weight...regardless of when you eat them.
However, I find that a 200-300 calorie breakfast and lunch (spaced out by around 2-3 hours), a 100-200 calorie snack (about 2 hours after lunch), a 400-500 calorie dinner (about 2-3 hours after the snack) and a glass of wine or piece of chocolate usually rounds out a good day for me...feel free to rip apart!0 -
I personally like having 5 to 6 meals a day since I don't want to put my body into starvation mode, with all the weight training I do i need to constantly fuel my muscle.
yeah maybe that fasting stuff works, but if you lift weights you'll pass out doing that kind of dieting.
The 5-6 meal thing can work fine and a lot of people like the feeling of the more frequent energy intake. Just be aware that you will not go into any type of "starvation mode" missing 1 or 2 meals or even in 1 or 2 days.0 -
I personally like having 5 to 6 meals a day since I don't want to put my body into starvation mode, with all the weight training I do i need to constantly fuel my muscle.
yeah maybe that fasting stuff works, but if you lift weights you'll pass out doing that kind of dieting.
NO, you won't!!! I thought I would too, but I just eat a smaller meal 1 hr before my workout and I feel great! I fasted before my leg workout Wednesday and my upper body power workout yesterday and I was just as strong as ever. I was squatting 275 atg for reps, and did some sumo dead lifts for reps too, touch and go. No light headedness, no problems! Then after the workout, all the carbs and proteins I can stuff in my face, and it all gets used to build MUSCLE, along with a surge in insulin to help all of my supplements get absorbed.0 -
are you fasting or eating cause to me it sounds like you just ate two meals in one day.0
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I eat 3 meals and 2-3 "snacks" (i.e. piece of fruit, etc) throughout the day. Keeps me from feeling like I need to be munching on something all the time. So I typically eat something about every 3 hours.0
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Wow, I've learned a lot from this site but "somebody spit in someone's holy water" has got to be one of the best descriptions I've heard in a long time! I'm going to steal that if you don't mind?!?0
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I eat my 5 meals roughly 300+ calories keeps me a pretty happy camper. I used to eat just three times a day but felt hungry all the time so I just balance out my meals. Each to their own.0
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Hey I didn't mean to upset anybody. People get very emotional when it comes to their firmly held convictions being challenged. I'm everyone's friend on here. Maybe the use of the word lie was unnecessary but I wanted an intelligent debate so I used a headline grabbing word. You can eat 10 meals a day if you want but I am just challenging the notion of metabolism slowing down when you don't eat for a few hours. As well as the sites I listed below also check out the Warrior diet. Tom Venuto also explains this in some detail on his site. Keep an open mind. Peace!0
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And while the fasting thing may work for some people for weight loss, it does not work for me...but not because of weight issues. I get really REALLY bad headaches if I don't have a bite to eat every so often...
Like NOW for example. I was supposed to go out to eat with someone that cancelled...so not only am I am hungry, but I have a headache starting to form.
While I agree that your metabolism won't come to a screeching halt because you miss a meal here or there, I just don't like the side effects it personally gives me.0 -
Here's what I'm thinking at the moment;
We have found out that skipping breakfast, or skipping lunch, or arguably going an entire day without eating won't really adversely affect your metabolic rates. We've also found out that eating a little bit all the time don't really positively affect metabolic rates.
So the conclusion I've come to is this; the main thing to worry about is your weekly calorie surplus or deficit. How you get there doesn't seem to matter as much as we thought it does. This is a great thing, because we can use whatever method we need to use in order to accomplish the goal of a weekly deficit, under the assumption that most here are trying to cut fat. If you need to take your daily intake goal and divide it by 6 and eat 6 times during the day, then go for it. If you would prefer to take your entire planned intake for the day and condense it into a 5-8 hour window and fast for the rest of the day, then you can do that too. If you need to take your planned intake for the week, consume most of it in 5 days and fast most of the other two, no problem.
How cool is that?0 -
...and the Nobel peace prize goes to....TateFTW :bigsmile:0
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glad to hear this! I also find it hard to beleive that if you don't eat all of your calories your metabolism will slow down..
I have never seen anyone who deprive themselves of calories gain weight the way the experts say they do. Also, anyone who is obese and say that they barely eat are not being honest with themselves. I've seen people who don't exercise and who are barely eating lose weight faster than myself when I was exercising very often and trying to eat well-balanced meals.
I understand this point, and I was a victim of the 6 meals a day. I had found myself thinking about food very often because it would be time to eat again, or if I didn't eat much at one meal, I was starving until the next meal time approached. I started gaining weigt because the calories might have been too much (I wasn't counting calories at the time). I think at least 2 of the meals are not meals, but they are actually snacks.
Lastly, I currently know someone who eats 3 small meals a day (mostly vegetables) with snacks, and is losing weight at an incredible 1 pound a day without feeling any starvation. She mostly consumes low-glycemic foods that does not affect her blood sugar level.
Remember calories is the key.0 -
I don't know about it being a lie, but I know it does not work for me. 4 is the magic number for me!!!0
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Hmmm. Surprised at some of the personal attacks on here. If you don't agree with the Original Poster, then disagree and be on your way- what's the point of attacking? We are all on here for our own reasons and we don't all adhere to the same dieting principles. What MFP is good for is helping up stay on track with our individual goals, monitor our habits, support and learn from each other. I just don't think is a good place for personal attacks and arguments...
I eat 3 meals a day and a couple of snacks- not cause I'm afraid my metabolism will slow down, but because I get hungry and need to somehow eat a healthy number of calories to offset my workouts. To each his own, I say.0 -
I have never seen anyone who deprive themselves of calories gain weight the way the experts say they do.
Happened to me. I was exercising very intensely and only consuming 800-900 cal/day after all was said and done, and I quit losing and then began gaining. I gained almost 10 lbs. during that time.0 -
WOW!! Sometimes, I think ppl post just to stir the pot up, you know what I mean? What works for one person, doesn't necessarily work for another person, and it doesn't make it a "lie". To each his/her own. If eating 3 meals works for someone, but someone else needs 6 small meals, and they are both seeing positive results, it's a good thing. Super size this, and extra that, is adding to the obesity crisis, not 6 SMALL meals a day. Come on, we don't even know what a serving is, until we start reading the labels. A serving of Oreos is two cookies. I wonder how many times, I ate 3 or 4 servings, and I didn't even know. To all you that eat 3 meals a day and lose weight congratulations!! For all you that enjoy 6 small meals a day, congratulations on your weigh loss!0
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I have never seen anyone who deprive themselves of calories gain weight the way the experts say they do.
Happened to me. I was exercising very intensely and only consuming 800-900 cal/day after all was said and done, and I quit losing and then began gaining. I gained almost 10 lbs. during that time.
If you go from eating maintenance to a consistent deficit, it takes about 2 weeks (depending on the person and the deficit) for your metabolism to fully react and shift downward. to compensate for your new intake. This is why I came to the conclusion that weekly deficit is the main determining dietary factor in fat/weight loss.
Lets say someone with a maintenance level of 1500 calories/day (or 10500/week) suddenly goes on a diet consuming 700 calories a day and exercising 1 hr/day, burning an average of 200 calories during each workout session. They are now consuming 3500 net calories a week [7(700-200)=3500], resulting in a deficit of 7000 calories for the week, which would theoretically result in 2 lbs of fat loss. In fact, under the assumption that not all of the weight lost would be fat, the weight loss would be even greater, since it takes less of a deficit to lose lean mass. But this is all based on faulty logic, because almost immediately the metabolism would start shifting downward. After approximately 2 weeks the metabolism would have shifted down relative to the consistent downward shift in intake.
This really has very little to do with daily intake, or even intake over a number of consecutive days, and shouldn't be treated as such.
This is why I believe that the weekly deficit is really the most important thing to which we should pay attention. The 7000 calorie deficit in my example is far too large for someone with such a low maintenance level to start.
Therefore, theoretically, someone who was consuming 300 calories in a day could be more successful than someone consuming 700 calories in a day, if the former was only consuming 300 calories on certain days and consuming far more on others, and the latter was only consuming 700 calories every single day, because only the latter would experience a sever change in metabolic rates, assuming other factors were the same.0 -
Well I think the 6 SMALL meals a day is to prevent you from spacing out your meals so much that you're ravenous and then it leads you to overeating. I am not a nutritionist so I can't say anything about metabolism etc...
I have just started my journey a month now and lost 12 lbs and I am eating frequently but NOT more. I am eating WAY LESS just more often and it is working. My entire life I would skip meals or wait until late in the day/dinner to eat and by then I was starving and would eat a whole bunch. It was also caused by snacking mindlessly as well, which is entirely different than eating consciously. I think that is also the big point, being more conscious of what you're putting into your body and how much and not just blind rules.
If you eat 10 times a day but what you're eating is only 50/100 calories or fruits, vegetables etc then it is better than eating three times a day but 1500 calories each time. So I think that is what it boils down to; making sure you're not starving or putting yourself in a position to be ravenous (frequent small meals helps with that), knowing your caloric needs and sticking to them and just overall being more mindful and aware.0 -
I have not come across any well-designed studies that empirically support the idea the more frequent meals have any more beneficial effect on weight loss than less-frequent meals. In most cases such as this, the auto-suggestive effect of belief in a certain principle is the driving force behind any benefits. So, someone who believes that eating 6 meals a day is more beneficial might achieve success because that belief encourages greater adherence to maintaining a caloric deficit, but it is the maintenance of the caloric deficit that results in the improvement, not any physical effects of eating 6 meals a day.
Now, strong belief that leads to greater adherence is not insignificant, so I don' t mean to diminish the "power of positive thinking", if you will. I just think it is necessary to separate "faith" from "facts" in this case.0 -
glad to hear this! I also find it hard to beleive that if you don't eat all of your calories your metabolism will slow down..
I have never seen anyone who deprive themselves of calories gain weight the way the experts say they do. /quote]
No one would say something like that could ever be consider an "expert". You cannot "deprive yourself of calories" and gain weight--at least not weight in the form of stored energy. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, a fact of physics that cannot be abrograted.0 -
Hey I didn't mean to upset anybody. People get very emotional when it comes to their firmly held convictions being challenged. I'm everyone's friend on here. Maybe the use of the word lie was unnecessary but I wanted an intelligent debate so I used a headline grabbing word. You can eat 10 meals a day if you want but I am just challenging the notion of metabolism slowing down when you don't eat for a few hours. As well as the sites I listed below also check out the Warrior diet. Tom Venuto also explains this in some detail on his site. Keep an open mind. Peace!
Since you just joined last month, you may not be aware that nobody thinks that one's metabolism slows down if one doesn't eat for a few hours.
I looked at your profile. I think you are a trouble maker trying to drum up business for yourself. That is not allowed on this forum.0 -
I have never seen anyone who deprive themselves of calories gain weight the way the experts say they do.
Happened to me. I was exercising very intensely and only consuming 800-900 cal/day after all was said and done, and I quit losing and then began gaining. I gained almost 10 lbs. during that time.
I went through a similar situation myself, and I think I was maintaining weight or gaining weight due to muscle gain. The many people people I've seen who ate less calories and lost weight quickly were not exercising at all. The downfall to their method is that they rapidly gained all the weight back, plus more once they started eating normal again. During the time they lost weight quickly and were getting many compliments from people, I was getting frustrated because I was exercising vigorously and watching my diet, and wasn't going anywhere with it.0 -
I'm a fan of Martin Berkham - Leangains website, Lyle Mcdonald - Body recomposition website, Brad Pillon - Eat stop Eat website. Check em out people! Don't listen to the stuff they write about in Mens/Womens health mags. It always contradicts itself. The diet industry aims to confuse so they can sell you more 'magic' diet solutions.
Why are you on a site like this then? While MFP doesn't outwardly promote eating several smaller meals a day, it does recommend it (see default food diary settings).
It doesn't recommend it at all, those settings are there just to show you that you could have more than just the three meals if you wish in my opinion.
It is the calories in -v- calories out that determines weightloss, not the amount of meals you eat per day. I reinforced this by eating only three meals per day and lost all my excess weight.
Too much emphasis is being placed on metabolism here. The metabolism will never come to a complete standstill, the day it does is the day you die.
It is about time people got stuck into a healthy living plan and quit constantly thinking about grub, because that is what you are doing if you eat numerous meals per day, you are constantly planning for the next piece of food to go into your mouth.
Six meals per day, for me, would have been a definite no-no, this was a life changing plan for me, not just a weighloss one, therefore I started as I meant to go on, even after I reached my goal.
I also do a lot of sport and like to have at least a two hour break between eating and exercising, I am completely against exercising just after eating and if I were to eat six meals per day (apart from having measly portions due to only having been on 1200 calories per day = 200 calories per meal?!?!?!?!) I would not have enough hours in the day to fit in work, eat and exercise - my whole life, in fact, would have revolved around food - not a good thing when it is that food that I am trying to cut down on.0 -
Hey I didn't mean to upset anybody. People get very emotional when it comes to their firmly held convictions being challenged. I'm everyone's friend on here. Maybe the use of the word lie was unnecessary but I wanted an intelligent debate so I used a headline grabbing word. You can eat 10 meals a day if you want but I am just challenging the notion of metabolism slowing down when you don't eat for a few hours. As well as the sites I listed below also check out the Warrior diet. Tom Venuto also explains this in some detail on his site. Keep an open mind. Peace!
Since you just joined last month, you may not be aware that nobody thinks that one's metabolism slows down if one doesn't eat for a few hours.
I looked at your profile. I think you are a trouble maker trying to drum up business for yourself. That is not allowed on this forum.
Melanie what are you on about?
Nowhere on his profile does it do anything of the sort, where does it state he is trying to drum up business for himself? By saying he is a personal trainer?? Lots of profiles have stuff like that and you can put stuff like that on your profile, it is putting your advertisement on the message boards where it is not allowed and he is not doing that.0 -
I'm a fan of Martin Berkham - Leangains website, Lyle Mcdonald - Body recomposition website, Brad Pillon - Eat stop Eat website. Check em out people! Don't listen to the stuff they write about in Mens/Womens health mags. It always contradicts itself. The diet industry aims to confuse so they can sell you more 'magic' diet solutions.
Why are you on a site like this then? While MFP doesn't outwardly promote eating several smaller meals a day, it does recommend it (see default food diary settings).
It doesn't recommend it at all, those settings are there just to show you that you could have more than just the three meals if you wish in my opinion.
It is the calories in -v- calories out that determines weightloss, not the amount of meals you eat per day. I reinforced this by eating only three meals per day and lost all my excess weight.
Too much emphasis is being placed on metabolism here. The metabolism will never come to a complete standstill, the day it does is the day you die.
It is about time people got stuck into a healthy living plan and quit constantly thinking about grub, because that is what you are doing if you eat numerous meals per day, you are constantly planning for the next piece of food to go into your mouth.
Six meals per day, for me, would have been a definite no-no, this was a life changing plan for me, not just a weighloss one, therefore I started as I meant to go on, even after I reached my goal.
I also do a lot of sport and like to have at least a two hour break between eating and exercising, I am completely against exercising just after eating and if I were to eat six meals per day (apart from having measly portions due to only having been on 1200 calories per day = 200 calories per meal?!?!?!?!) I would not have enough hours in the day to fit in work, eat and exercise - my whole life, in fact, would have revolved around food - not a good thing when it is that food that I am trying to cut down on.
So why is it completely impossible for smaller meals or snacks to not be a way of life? I ALWAYS have snacks, whether its yogurt or fruit or some sort of baked chip or something. And it's not disturbing or difficult and I don't constantly plan the next piece of food. When you get into the habit of snacks you tend to just have stuff around and available, so its not difficult. I don't think its necessarily fair to say that eating several smaller meals or snacks simply to assuage hunger is not conducive to a lifestyle change. Yes, if I was planning snacks and eating them just because I felt I should that might suck. But there are plenty of people who have said they do this because they are HUNGRY. I've lost almost 80 lbs while snacking away since January. And I don't feel like bringing a yogurt to the office to eat at around 10 is disruptive or not sustainable.0 -
Grokette:Women's metabolisms are different than men's metabolisms first off. Secondly, if you eat very small meals many times a day you will have a constant source of energy and will avoid the after lunch and 3 pm slumps. Every body is different, but a lot of ppl trying to lose weight or have a healthier lifestyle find that eating small meals throughout the day is better than 3 larger meals.
Guys can usually get away with just 1 or 2 meals a day, women not so much.
Also, when your body has to digest food you burn more energy, and if you're eating small meals throughout the day that means your body is burning energy at regular intervals and doesn't really have a chance to slow down. If it is being forced to deal with large quantities of food at a time it is more likely to store some as fat, where as if it only has to deal with a small amount of food at a time it is usually able to handle everything.
Wow, this is not true. I practice Intermittent Fasting and I am a woman. I go most days about 17 hours between eating and I am never HUNGRY, low on energy and I lose weight effortlessly this way.
I gained weight and had MAJOR blood sugar swings eating 5 or 6 meals a day the way they tell you your supposed to eat.
I am certified Nutrition Counselor and I agree with the Original Poster.
You are a what?? Where did you earn your degree in Nutrition? Where did you serve your internship? When?
Are you still doing the HCG diet??0 -
I'm a fan of Martin Berkham - Leangains website, Lyle Mcdonald - Body recomposition website, Brad Pillon - Eat stop Eat website. Check em out people! Don't listen to the stuff they write about in Mens/Womens health mags. It always contradicts itself. The diet industry aims to confuse so they can sell you more 'magic' diet solutions.
Why are you on a site like this then? While MFP doesn't outwardly promote eating several smaller meals a day, it does recommend it (see default food diary settings).
It doesn't recommend it at all, those settings are there just to show you that you could have more than just the three meals if you wish in my opinion.
It is the calories in -v- calories out that determines weightloss, not the amount of meals you eat per day. I reinforced this by eating only three meals per day and lost all my excess weight.
Too much emphasis is being placed on metabolism here. The metabolism will never come to a complete standstill, the day it does is the day you die.
It is about time people got stuck into a healthy living plan and quit constantly thinking about grub, because that is what you are doing if you eat numerous meals per day, you are constantly planning for the next piece of food to go into your mouth.
Six meals per day, for me, would have been a definite no-no, this was a life changing plan for me, not just a weighloss one, therefore I started as I meant to go on, even after I reached my goal.
I also do a lot of sport and like to have at least a two hour break between eating and exercising, I am completely against exercising just after eating and if I were to eat six meals per day (apart from having measly portions due to only having been on 1200 calories per day = 200 calories per meal?!?!?!?!) I would not have enough hours in the day to fit in work, eat and exercise - my whole life, in fact, would have revolved around food - not a good thing when it is that food that I am trying to cut down on.
So why is it completely impossible for smaller meals or snacks to not be a way of life? I ALWAYS have snacks, whether its yogurt or fruit or some sort of baked chip or something. And it's not disturbing or difficult and I don't constantly plan the next piece of food. When you get into the habit of snacks you tend to just have stuff around and available, so its not difficult. I don't think its necessarily fair to say that eating several smaller meals or snacks simply to assuage hunger is not conducive to a lifestyle change. Yes, if I was planning snacks and eating them just because I felt I should that might suck. But there are plenty of people who have said they do this because they are HUNGRY. I've lost almost 80 lbs while snacking away since January. And I don't feel like bringing a yogurt to the office to eat at around 10 is disruptive or not sustainable.
Smaller meals?? 200 calories per meal is bloody small if you ask me and if I ate just 200 calories for one meal, (1200 calories per day, 6 meals per day = 200 calories), I would indeed need snacks inbetween. As it turned out, I preferred something substantial for each meal and cut out any snacks.
Each to his/her own and if somebody wishes to eat such small meals, good for them, personally, I would find it incredibly difficult to sustain that and would have broken my eating plan, hence why I didn't eat that way.
I would also have found eating six meals per day would have consumed my every waking moment, something I would have found ultimately boring and bordering on the obsessive.0 -
Grokette:Women's metabolisms are different than men's metabolisms first off. Secondly, if you eat very small meals many times a day you will have a constant source of energy and will avoid the after lunch and 3 pm slumps. Every body is different, but a lot of ppl trying to lose weight or have a healthier lifestyle find that eating small meals throughout the day is better than 3 larger meals.
Guys can usually get away with just 1 or 2 meals a day, women not so much.
Also, when your body has to digest food you burn more energy, and if you're eating small meals throughout the day that means your body is burning energy at regular intervals and doesn't really have a chance to slow down. If it is being forced to deal with large quantities of food at a time it is more likely to store some as fat, where as if it only has to deal with a small amount of food at a time it is usually able to handle everything.
Wow, this is not true. I practice Intermittent Fasting and I am a woman. I go most days about 17 hours between eating and I am never HUNGRY, low on energy and I lose weight effortlessly this way.
I gained weight and had MAJOR blood sugar swings eating 5 or 6 meals a day the way they tell you your supposed to eat.
I am certified Nutrition Counselor and I agree with the Original Poster.
You are a what?? Where did you earn your degree in Nutrition? Where did you serve your internship? When?
Are you still doing the HCG diet??
Yes, I am a Certified Nutrition Counselor. Educated at the Institute for Integrative Nutrition and certified through the AADP (American Association of Drugless Practioners). I have been pursuing this for over a year and continuing my education while developing my business.
I am NOT doing the HCG diet at the moment, but I will do another round starting at the New Year.
Contrary to what you may think, the HCG plan is NOT unhealthy. The number of calories a person eats has nothing to do with nourishing the body. Eating foods that are of high Nutritional value are what it takes for the human body to be satisfied.0 -
I'm a fan of Martin Berkham - Leangains website, Lyle Mcdonald - Body recomposition website, Brad Pillon - Eat stop Eat website. Check em out people! Don't listen to the stuff they write about in Mens/Womens health mags. It always contradicts itself. The diet industry aims to confuse so they can sell you more 'magic' diet solutions.
Why are you on a site like this then? While MFP doesn't outwardly promote eating several smaller meals a day, it does recommend it (see default food diary settings).
It doesn't recommend it at all, those settings are there just to show you that you could have more than just the three meals if you wish in my opinion.
It is the calories in -v- calories out that determines weightloss, not the amount of meals you eat per day. I reinforced this by eating only three meals per day and lost all my excess weight.
Too much emphasis is being placed on metabolism here. The metabolism will never come to a complete standstill, the day it does is the day you die.
It is about time people got stuck into a healthy living plan and quit constantly thinking about grub, because that is what you are doing if you eat numerous meals per day, you are constantly planning for the next piece of food to go into your mouth.
Six meals per day, for me, would have been a definite no-no, this was a life changing plan for me, not just a weighloss one, therefore I started as I meant to go on, even after I reached my goal.
I also do a lot of sport and like to have at least a two hour break between eating and exercising, I am completely against exercising just after eating and if I were to eat six meals per day (apart from having measly portions due to only having been on 1200 calories per day = 200 calories per meal?!?!?!?!) I would not have enough hours in the day to fit in work, eat and exercise - my whole life, in fact, would have revolved around food - not a good thing when it is that food that I am trying to cut down on.
So why is it completely impossible for smaller meals or snacks to not be a way of life? I ALWAYS have snacks, whether its yogurt or fruit or some sort of baked chip or something. And it's not disturbing or difficult and I don't constantly plan the next piece of food. When you get into the habit of snacks you tend to just have stuff around and available, so its not difficult. I don't think its necessarily fair to say that eating several smaller meals or snacks simply to assuage hunger is not conducive to a lifestyle change. Yes, if I was planning snacks and eating them just because I felt I should that might suck. But there are plenty of people who have said they do this because they are HUNGRY. I've lost almost 80 lbs while snacking away since January. And I don't feel like bringing a yogurt to the office to eat at around 10 is disruptive or not sustainable.
Smaller meals?? 200 calories per meal is bloody small if you ask me and if I ate just 200 calories for one meal, (1200 calories per day, 6 meals per day = 200 calories), I would indeed need snacks inbetween. As it turned out, I preferred something substantial for each meal and cut out any snacks.
Each to his/her own and if somebody wishes to eat such small meals, good for them, personally, I would find it incredibly difficult to sustain that and would have broken my eating plan, hence why I didn't eat that way.
I would also have found eating six meals per day would have consumed my every waking moment, something I would have found ultimately boring and bordering on the obsessive.
@Lotus -
You are so right!!! When I used to think this way I was always having to carry a lunch cooler with me and needless to say it didn't last long because it is not sustainable and no one plans their life out that much.
That is why I love Intermittent Fasting. There is so much freedom!!0
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