Too many bad fats and carbs in my diet?

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snikkins

It's all about satiety. That is why when I was trying to lose weight I gave up 95% of refined sugar, and 95% of carbs (other than from fruits and especially vegetables, which I loaded up).

For breakfast, a plain bagel has 250 calories.

Two eggs have 160 calories. Add a little cheese and some sautéed mushrooms and onions, and maybe you are up to 225 calories.

The bagel does nothing to keep me sated. With the eggs I am good to go until the early afternoon.

It's not just me. Many report the same thing.

If you are hungry all the time, you will not reach and/or maintain your ideal weight. So give this a try, even though it may not work for you.

Hmmmm. It's interesting that you mentioned a bagel. I eat a bagel with cream cheese every morning and I'm perfectly fine.

Bagels get such a bad name around here! I often have one for breakfast as well, or oatmeal, or mini wheats, and I do just fine. I sometimes wonder if it's the expectation to feel hungry x many hours after eating a bagel that leads to the hunger feeling. I also do eggs some mornings and have found for me, 250 calories of eggs and a little bit of cheese goes about as far as 250 calories of a bagel. :shrug:

Edited to address OP: I also often fit in "unhealthy" foods to my daily allotment and have been doing all right. I did what a previous poster mentioned and would get just a sandwich instead of a sandwich and chips or fries. But if I really wanted that, I'd get a Happy Meal! :laugh:

lemurcat12

It's all about satiety. That is why when I was trying to lose weight I gave up 95% of refined sugar, and 95% of carbs (other than from fruits and especially vegetables, which I loaded up)....

If you are hungry all the time, you will not reach and/or maintain your ideal weight. So give this a try, even though it may not work for you.

I'm sure there are people who do better on fewer carbs, but in that it's specific to individuals I think it's absurd to tell others that they will be hungry unless they go low carb.

Never said that. I said it works for me and works for many others. I suggested the OP had nothing to lose by trying it, and it might not work for him. And if it works, maybe he can manage with even fewer daily calories.

And I get plenty of carbs from veggies, rather than cereal, past and bread. Again, works for me and many others.

You recommended that he change his diet with no hint that what he's doing isn't working for him. And it's not necessarily beneficial to "manage with even fewer daily calories"--you have no idea what he's eating now.

Veggies are basically carbs, but they don't have a lot of carbs because they don't have a lot of calories, period. But I'm not interested in how many carbs you get. I assume that how you eat is fine, FOR YOU. It's the evangelicalism about this that I find absurd.

missiontofitness

McDonald's is pretty calorie dense and based on your goals, you may not be able to eat more than one meal a day depending on what you get.
Balance is key. I still eat fast food every now and then. I have chips or snack foods stocked in my pantry. But I enjoy them in moderation. You can balance the things you want to eat with other foods that will help to fuel you and meet your nutritional needs fcor the day.

lemurcat12

Bagels get such a bad name around here! I often have one for breakfast as well, or oatmeal, or mini wheats, and I do just fine. I sometimes wonder if it's the expectation to feel hungry x many hours after eating a bagel that leads to the hunger feeling. I also do eggs some mornings and have found for me, 250 calories of eggs and a little bit of cheese goes about as far as 250 calories of a bagel. :shrug:

Plain bagel (no cream cheese, so no fat) was my go-to breakfast for convenience sake when I was gaining weight. Not claiming that's the only reason I ate all day but it did nothing for keeping me sated. I really do need protein and some fat in the morning. But I believe that people are different (some not liking breakfast at all, some preferring smaller breakfasts). I wasn't a picky child in the usual ways (I'd eat Brussels sprouts and liver, even), but I hated cold cereal and would have eggs as soon as I was old enough to make my own (although for a while I just refused to eat breakfast at all), so I suppose it's not surprising that as an adult I prefer less carb-focused breakfasts.

3laine75

I try to stay at less than 30 grams of fat per day so I doubt that I could eat anything from McD's. Personally, I think it is better for your health to stay far away from that kind of stuff. Not that I never splurge at BK. LOL! When I first started trying to lose weight, I weighed 356 pounds. I now weigh 203 pounds. I used to carry around a spiral notebook and a calorie king book everywhere I went. I found that I lost weight the best eating high protein, good fats, and <50 carbs per day. All of my carbs came from vegetable or fruit sources. It is very important to me to log my food. I'm so glad I know about My Fitness Pal now, it is so much easier than carrying my notebooks! Good luck to you!!

That's not smart.

Was going to say the same thing. Fat does not make you fat...

Feel like we're ganging up but - get more fat (for brain function, joint health, hormone production etc etc)

snikkins

Bagels get such a bad name around here! I often have one for breakfast as well, or oatmeal, or mini wheats, and I do just fine. I sometimes wonder if it's the expectation to feel hungry x many hours after eating a bagel that leads to the hunger feeling. I also do eggs some mornings and have found for me, 250 calories of eggs and a little bit of cheese goes about as far as 250 calories of a bagel. :shrug:

Plain bagel (no cream cheese, so no fat) was my go-to breakfast for convenience sake when I was gaining weight. Not claiming that's the only reason I ate all day but it did nothing for keeping me sated. I really do need protein and some fat in the morning. But I believe that people are different (some not liking breakfast at all, some preferring smaller breakfasts). I wasn't a picky child in the usual ways (I'd eat Brussels sprouts and liver, even), but I hated cold cereal and would have eggs as soon as I was old enough to make my own (although for a while I just refused to eat breakfast at all), so I suppose it's not surprising that as an adult I prefer less carb-focused breakfasts.

I was definitely not trying to say that people aren't different in their food preferences; I was just pointing out that bagels get a bad name around here! :laugh:

For me, I'm an ugly, angry person if I'm hungry so IF or not eating breakfast just really isn't an option but that doesn't mean everyone has to eat breakfast! :drinker:

vismal

I did not say I do not eat any fat. I try to eat less fat. I know that fat does not make you fat, however I work in a cardiac ICU and I see what too much fat does to your cardiovascular system every day.

Really curious. What percentage of those that come into the ICU are overweight or very overweight? What percentage are what you would describe as thin or skinny?

Thanks!

When I worked in cardiac ICU patients who had heart attacks were usually overweight or obese. Those who weren't were almost always smokers. The minority who were neither fat or smokers had a VERY strong family history of heart disease. In my 3 years + experience working in that unit I can think of 1 single patient who was athletic, non smoking, and proper weight for height that had an MI

vismal

My degree is in respiratory therapy, which is the same degree level as a nurse (bachelors degree) and a couple of levels higher than an EMS provider.

But that bachelors degree is heavily focused on things that have little to due with nutrition. Degrees whether they be high school diplomas or PhD's or MD's simply mean you passed the minimum competencies necessary to earn said degree. Working in a hospital I'm certain you've met doctor's you wouldn't let get near your dog let alone a friend or family member. Education is great but it proves nothing. No matter how many degrees you or anyone else has, does not change the fact that it's probably a poor idea to limit yourself to 30 grams of fat or less per day.

suziqrrt

I am really sorry. The only reason I mentioned my degree is because that other guy said something about it. I understand why you are able to consume more fat than I am. You are all muscley. I know that is not a word.LOL. MFP set my daily caloric intake at 1200 calories and my fat intake at 40 grams. I tend to eat a bit less fat than that because since having my gall bladder removed, too much fat makes me ill. Looking back at your food diary from when you first started it seems as though you only ate 400-600 calories per day. Of course, perhaps you were not logging everything you ate. If I ate 100 grams of fat per day then that would be 900 of my calories. That would only leave me with 300 calories for protein and carbs. This, of course, will be my last post on this subject. I did not realize that getting attacked via computer was part of "support".

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BombshellPhoenix

Caloric deficit will dictate if you lose weight. Overall health is a byproduct of your overall intake and activity. Eating all fast food, chips can still get you to lose weight but overall health is important.

^this

I still eat fast food, ice cream, chips. A little bit every day. I focus on staying within my calorie limits for my particular goal and meet my macro/micro goals for health. I find that, inadvertently. I'm eating typically nutrient dense whole foods for the majority of my day and still able to squeeze in some fun things :P All about balance

vismal

I am really sorry. The only reason I mentioned my degree is because that other guy said something about it. I understand why you are able to consume more fat than I am. You are all muscley. I know that is not a word.LOL. MFP set my daily caloric intake at 1200 calories and my fat intake at 40 grams. I tend to eat a bit less fat than that because since having my gall bladder removed, too much fat makes me ill. Looking back at your food diary from when you first started it seems as though you only ate 400-600 calories per day. Of course, perhaps you were not logging everything you ate. If I ate 100 grams of fat per day then that would be 900 of my calories. That would only leave me with 300 calories for protein and carbs. This, of course, will be my last post on this subject. I did not realize that getting attacked via computer was part of "support".

You aren't being ganged up on. You came on a public forum and made the statement "I try and eat under 30 grams of fat a day". You also failed to clarify that this was because of a medical condition. The reason people commented on it, was because it's not an optimal way to go about things especially for the majority of the people here who do not share you medical condition. So not only were our comments actually directed at helping you, because of the nature of the public forum, we may also prevent others from seeing your comment and think they to should eat under 30 grams of fat or that eating low fat is in some way healthy or prevents cardio vascular disease as you alluded to in your other comments. Many people here are very new to health an nutrition and there is SOOOO much misinformation and pseudoscience out there. People like MrM and myself do our best to keep fitness myths at bay. So when we see low fat being praised we want to make sure both the person praising it, and others, understand that low fat is actually not optimal for most people.

As far as my logging, I was a member of MFP for quite a while before I logged food consistently and accurately. I'm not really sure what that had to do with anything. Being muscular doesn't necessary allow you to eat more fat. I eat around the same fat as I have for the past several years. I try to consume no less then 0.3 grams per lb of bodyweight on average with 0.4 being my norm.

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