Bad foods that are "good" for weight loss

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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,223 Member
    I borrow the title from the article I just read
    Just about any "bad" food can be part of your weight loss plan if you stick to small enough portions. In fact, dietitians advise against banning your favorite treats. Depriving yourself of the foods you crave could set you up for failure. A better strategy is to set limits on quantity -- for example, one chocolate truffle a day -- and stick to them.

    I'll leave the link, and judge for yourselves: http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-bad-foods-that-are-good-for-weight-loss

    What do you think?

    I think it's pretty much basic common sense. If you're rocking your nutrition and you have a well balanced and overall healthful diet and are meeting your nutritional requirements...what frackin' difference would it make if I have a bowl of ice cream for desert? It certainly doesn't undo the nutrition that the 6 servings of vegetables I had earlier or the couple servings of fruit gave me.

    I would also add that I would never consider eggs, steak, pork, pasta, nuts, cheese, or coffee to be "bad" foods in the least. Hell, nuts are packed with some very awesome nutritional properties, and don't get me started on eggs. I eat cheese in moderation only because I used to eat about 1/4 Lb of it per day and I can easily exceed my calorie goals with cheese. I'm not sure why one would consider steak or pork to be "bad"....this is all kind of a really stupid joke.
    I concur........the wolfmans on a roll.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    It is pointless to talk about individual foods without the context of the entire diet...
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    It is pointless to talk about individual foods without the context of the entire diet...

    This is very true. Along with their general health and the calorie needs of their body. Talking about an individual food for a person who is in excellent health versus someone with diabetes or high blood pressure would mean different things.
  • cmcollins001
    cmcollins001 Posts: 3,472 Member
    You mean, watching your caloric intake to ensure you eat at a deficit while still consuming foods that you enjoy......?? Never heard of that method.

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  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    Off the top of my head, I think there's about 40g in 335ml of regular Coke. But of course, no one ever has that in large quantities.

    In order to get 100g of carbs from the sugar in Coke they'd have to drink 400 calories worth. Does it happen? Sure. Are those people counting calories? Sometimes. Are they sticking to their calories? Not usually. Could they lose weight drinking 1200 calories of Coke alone? Yes.

    A calorie is a unit of energy. Do we need a balance of macronutrients? Definitely, as well as micronutrients. We can still lose if all we ate was sugar. It would impact health and how we feel, but including 200 calories worth of candy instead of oatmeal when you hit appropriate macro and micro nutrients isn't going to impact you.

    Right on, sister! I had 160 calories' worth of ice cream at breakfast, and I still got in all the good stuff. I still have a workout coming up, so my slight overage will be gone.
  • iamcherylb
    iamcherylb Posts: 10 Member
    Well this topic started with a statement regarding weight loss plans, not mentioning anything about nutrition...
    So from the focus of weight loss, and in particular for those people who are trying to shed a significant number of pounds, this sounds quite workable. Makes it possible to learn self control, and portion control - very important for the obese person who can pack away several more helpings of food than I would ever be capable of.
    Personally I have found that the smaller "snack" sized potions of chips and chocolate bars are perfectly suited to this type of approach. I never liked the JUMBO size products - it's just overwhelming to me and I always hoped manufacturers would consider bite sized portions, I was thrilled when they became available on a more regular basis, not just at, say, Halloween! And they satisfy a sweet tooth without going overboard!
    Weight loss, by itself is daunting when a person is trying to lose over 100 pounds, so tricks like this can be helpful. Someone like myself who is trying to convert 20 lbs of fat into muscle - it's not as helpful, though it's still nice to have a less sinful treat from time to time!
  • traceywoody
    traceywoody Posts: 233 Member
    I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.

    This. If I start banning certain foods from my diet, guess what I start obsessing about eating? Yup, those "banned" foods. I just eat them in moderation, meaning, if I can fit it into my allotted kilojoule amount, then I eat it. If it doesn't, I tell myself I can have some tomorrow. A little delay in gratification never hurts, but I still want that gratification at some point. :)
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,223 Member
    Insulin can be great stuff - allows us to actually use our energy, has incredible anabolic properties which allow us to build muscle and so on, yes, but you want to avoid peaks and troughs.

    Equally, I'm really not sure why you're saying saturated fats aren't worse. Again, for performance and aesthetics maybe you're ok. For general health you are not. You won't believe anything I say so I'll defer to Havard, which sometimes knows some stuff.

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Truth-about-fats.shtml

    I've just been reading pages online about this trying to decide which one to send you but really you can pick any.

    I'm not sure how this argument is even occurring - it is widely known information and things like aiming for unsaturated fats and slow-releasing carbs are ideas adhered to by practically every health organisation on the planet and proved by the vast majority of scientific studies (in before, yes there are some people who have different needs but I'm thinking for the majority of people).
    Yet so see a study were saturated fat was the causation of heart disease......maybe you could link the studies that harvard uses as proof.....there's got to be hundreds, right?
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg
    That's pure evil!
  • AliceDark
    AliceDark Posts: 3,886 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg
    That's pure evil!
    Just put some cheese on there. Cover that evil right up.
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg
    That's pure evil!
    Just put some cheese on there. Cover that evil right up.
    LOL!
  • DanielCathers
    DanielCathers Posts: 53 Member
    Insulin can be great stuff - allows us to actually use our energy, has incredible anabolic properties which allow us to build muscle and so on, yes, but you want to avoid peaks and troughs.

    Equally, I'm really not sure why you're saying saturated fats aren't worse. Again, for performance and aesthetics maybe you're ok. For general health you are not. You won't believe anything I say so I'll defer to Havard, which sometimes knows some stuff.

    http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Truth-about-fats.shtml

    I've just been reading pages online about this trying to decide which one to send you but really you can pick any.

    I'm not sure how this argument is even occurring - it is widely known information and things like aiming for unsaturated fats and slow-releasing carbs are ideas adhered to by practically every health organisation on the planet and proved by the vast majority of scientific studies (in before, yes there are some people who have different needs but I'm thinking for the majority of people).
    Yet so see a study were saturated fat was the causation of heart disease......maybe you could link the studies that harvard uses as proof.....there's got to be hundreds, right?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2824152/

    http://www.bhf.org.uk/media/news-from-the-bhf/fats-in-your-diet.aspx

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/05/06/saturated-fat-phobia.aspx
  • stephe1987
    stephe1987 Posts: 406 Member
    I like the 80/20 rule. This helps people get proper nutrition while still getting to eat what they like. 80% should fit into your macros (balanced diet) and the other 20% can be "bad" foods that are high in sugar or sodium. I also think that vitamins are a good idea for people who are worried about micro nutrients but aren't necessarily logging them.
  • BusyRaeNOTBusty
    BusyRaeNOTBusty Posts: 7,166 Member
    I think people need to stop labeling foods as bad or good. Food is food. Energy is energy. Calories are calories.

    Truth.
  • newdaydawning79
    newdaydawning79 Posts: 1,503 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg
    That's pure evil!
    Just put some cheese on there. Cover that evil right up.

    :laugh: I just laughed so hard my fiancee jumped.
  • Derpes
    Derpes Posts: 2,033 Member
    I for one will stand against pop tart shaming!!!
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    For those (like myself) who are slideshow phobic, the foods specifically mentioned are:

    Eggs
    Steak
    Pork
    Pasta (though they recommend the switch to whole grain)
    Nuts
    Cheese
    Coffee (though they recommend black or "skinny" and less than 4 cups a day)
    Bad Foods - Good Portions (which includes the quote from the OP)

    It's basically what many here have been saying for a while but with the added bonus of singling out specific high-calorie foods and adding some stats about what they add nutrition-wise.
    wait, what? Are these the "bad" foods? Or the "good" foods? WTF?

    I'm confused - coffee and steak obviously good. But pasta's bad.

    Pasta isn't bad.

    Well maybe this one:
    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQctoYMHCHN81KrOZHlb54V5xDtTYRl_9Wpw77cGrolnHD0wkA3Xg

    I rest my case!
  • CallMeCupcakeDammit
    CallMeCupcakeDammit Posts: 9,377 Member
    I for one will stand against pop tart shaming!!!

    I thought that said "sharing", and I was about to get mad. :flowerforyou:


    PS - I bought milk chocolate graham Pop Tarts last night. I will be trying them on Saturday, because macros. :bigsmile:

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