Tried having low-carb meals today
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Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences.
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Well he had toast and rice so his complaint wasn't about feeling foggy because of the adapt ion time, it was because he missed the foods he liked and didn't really feel he should continue.You had no clue how to approach this which is why you failed.
I saw no mention of increased fat intake, nor will you suddenly switch to nutritional ketosis in a day. You were probably tired because you pushed your body to deplete liver glycogen and your body had no carb intake to replenish it. There is a reason people feel crap that switch to low carb for a couple of days, the body is adapting. There is no switch to just switch your metabolism to a different setting.
Dude's only complaint was that he was hungry multiple times throughout his day. He is asking for a reason for why he is hungry, not complaining that he chose not to have that toast with his eggs and was regretting it. Hunger is the central issue here.....
I.E wasn't eating enough fat. Heard of how leptin and ghrelin interact?0 -
I couldn't manage a day without a decent amount of carbs!.0
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SecondedDon't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences.
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keep hearing the word "fad," so I felt it necessary to post this from another forum topic:
I would like to add, that this is more than just a "fad" diet. it might enlighten people to know that this way of eating has been around since the 1920s, designed in a not-for-profit research hospital, in order to try and prevent uncontrollable seizures in children when nothing else would work. This diet is definitely not mainstream, even though people see just the term "low-carb" and attach it to the cover page of whatever womans tabloid mag is on the stand at checkout (along with "101 ways to a flat stomach"). The ketogenic diet is more than that. There are many health benefits that have been proven when people put themselves into ketosis.
So to keep it short:
> this diet has been around for longer than most your grandparents have been alive. <
Fad? I think not. Read about it: http://www.charliefoundation.org/explore-ketogenic-diet/explore-1/introducing-the-diet
Definitions for understanding:
ketogenesis:
keto-short for ketones, which are what your body creates from stored fat in order to use its stored energy, as fat in raw form is not usable
gen- create, or produce
esis- state of being
In whole words:
ketones: the final product that is gen-erated when the liver converts fat cells to usable energy
ketogenesis: the liver's state of being when it is producing ketones for energy from fat
ketosis: the body's state of being when the liver is in ketogenesis (in reference to metabolism)
ketogenic: describing the item that allows the body to mostly use fat for energy (i.e. ketogenic diet, ketogenic lifestyle)
So, when you are in Ketosis, the body is mostly (>95% of the time) using ketones for energy. Your body is in ketosis when your liver is producing ketones at optimum level, which means it (the liver) is in ketogenesis.0 -
SecondedDon't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences.
What are these negative consequences?
Maybe confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis? I'm unsure.
Ketoacidosis is generally a complication of diabetes or severe alcoholism. It's very hard to blunder into ketoacidosis (a concentration of 20 mmol/L) from ketosis (1-8 mmol/L), unless your diabetes is crazy out of control and your body is not producing insulin whatsoever. I've had friend who tried deliberately to push ketones above 4, but couldn't. Other than bad breath starting out...ummm...Listerine...I guess that's a negative. The tired goes away. I can exercise just fine. Shrugging ova here.
Plus, FYI it often takes a week or 2 for the body to actually hit ketosis. And generally you need to have carb grams under 20 or 30 for that extended period.0 -
keep hearing the word "fad," so I felt it necessary to post this from another forum topic:
I would like to add, that this is more than just a "fad" diet. it might enlighten people to know that this way of eating has been around since the 1920s, designed in a not-for-profit research hospital, in order to try and prevent uncontrollable seizures in children when nothing else would work. This diet is definitely not mainstream, even though people see just the term "low-carb" and attach it to the cover page of whatever womans tabloid mag is on the stand at checkout (along with "101 ways to a flat stomach"). The ketogenic diet is more than that. There are many health benefits that have been proven when people put themselves into ketosis.
So to keep it short:
> this diet has been around for longer than most your grandparents have been alive. <
Fad? I think not. Read about it: http://www.charliefoundation.org/explore-ketogenic-diet/explore-1/introducing-the-diet
Definitions for understanding:
ketogenesis:
keto-short for ketones, which are what your body creates from stored fat in order to use its stored energy, as fat in raw form is not usable
gen- create, or produce
esis- state of being
In whole words:
ketones: the final product that is gen-erated when the liver converts fat cells to usable energy
ketogenesis: the liver's state of being when it is producing ketones for energy from fat
ketosis: the body's state of being when the liver is in ketogenesis (in reference to metabolism)
ketogenic: describing the item that allows the body to mostly use fat for energy (i.e. ketogenic diet, ketogenic lifestyle)
So, when you are in Ketosis, the body is mostly (>95% of the time) using ketones for energy. Your body is in ketosis when your liver is producing ketones at optimum level, which means it (the liver) is in ketogenesis.
sigh...sometimes I wonder why we even bother. People hear what they want to hear and chuck the rest. I suppose I still try, because I'm just ornery.0 -
No one here said that carbs are bad, or that low-carb is good, and OP never said he wanted to start a keto diet.
OP wanted to try low carb, went about it in a ridiculous and uneducated way, and then concluded that it wouldn't work for him.
It would be like if I decided to add carbs to my diet, and did so by eating a dozen donuts on a day that I plan on being very active, and then concluded that all carbs are bad because they made me tired and sick to my stomach.
Under those circumstances, I would deserve whatever ridicule MFP heaped upon me.
To be more constructive, here's what OP SHOULD have done:
1) Instead of skipping the toast, he should have doubled down on the eggs to replace the calories that he normally would eat for breakfast. This will help with hunger pangs later, particular on a day when you plan to be active.
2) Instead of just skipping the rice, double down on the vegetables and meat. Again, this will keep you from getting hungry, especially if you add something flavorful to it like a little BBQ sauce or something.
3) Instead of snacking on just some nuts, stick to veggies and a little fruit AND some nuts (assuming he likes these things). Or if ketosis isn't the goal, just have fruit -- it'll still most likely mean less carbs & calories than cookies or whatever.
Better yet, just ease into this whole thing instead of trying to change all your eating habits at once. Change your breakfast a couple of days a week. Then experiment with different rice substitutions for dinner. This isn't freaking rocket science.
And before I get crap from all the people who can't read and think I'm anti-carb, I eat (and drink) PLENTY of carbs. But when I'm trying to lose weight, I limit carbs and eat more fat and protein because that's what makes me feel full. Eating carbs makes me more hungry. YMMV.0 -
Well, no you're wrong. But please continue talking about something which you know nothing about.Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences. I eat 300-400g of carbs a day as a vegan on a 2,000 calorie diet and I'm losing weight and happy! No cravings. Don't give in to low-carb diet fad
LOL it's funny you talk about not giving into fads and you're vegan. Hmmmm. Interesting. How about "Let people eat how they want to eat"?0 -
OP, you might try cutting back on starches and watching sugars as opposed to cutting carbs. As has been stated here, carbs are not inherently evil and will not make you into a bad man.
In my experience, cutting back on starches has been beneficial. What I mean is that I make a choice: Mashers or bread? Rice or tortillas? I've found that having starches in my diet is good, having too many is not.
Whole grains and fruits and vegetables work well for me; refined sugar, lots of sweets and fried starch don't. Ya just gotta learn your own rules.0 -
Well, no you're wrong. But please continue talking about something which you know nothing about.Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences. I eat 300-400g of carbs a day as a vegan on a 2,000 calorie diet and I'm losing weight and happy! No cravings. Don't give in to low-carb diet fad
LOL it's funny you talk about not giving into fads and you're vegan. Hmmmm. Interesting. How about "Let people eat how they want to eat"?
btw...just the fact that you are vegan gives you no credibility, because you are biased to the extreme. Most of us here are moderates. I am in keto, but I am not giving a yes/no answer to anyone on what they should be eating. I am simply providing facts. You are providing a biased opinion. Please (kindly) omit yourself from this conversation unless you can be unbiased. And please read the post by baconslave 4 above this answer....before you consider something a fad, read about it.0 -
Well, no you're wrong. But please continue talking about something which you know nothing about.Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences. I eat 300-400g of carbs a day as a vegan on a 2,000 calorie diet and I'm losing weight and happy! No cravings. Don't give in to low-carb diet fad
LOL it's funny you talk about not giving into fads and you're vegan. Hmmmm. Interesting. How about "Let people eat how they want to eat"?
btw...just the fact that you are vegan gives you no credibility, because you are biased to the extreme. Most of us here are moderates. I am in keto, but I am not giving a yes/no answer to anyone on what they should be eating. I am simply providing facts. You are providing a biased opinion. Please (kindly) omit yourself from this conversation unless you can be unbiased. And please read the post by baconslave 4 above this answer....before you consider something a fad, read about it.
If there wasn't bias on these forums, there wouldn't be much left to read.
If I read one more person say how they are losing all kinds of weight with their nightly ice cream...
And I don't know about suggesting a vegan read something posted by a "baconslave." I think those two should be kept apart.0 -
Another FYI:
A fad is defined as "an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities; a craze."
Low-carb diets are not a fad. They are prescribed by doctors for various reasons. I use one because it makes me feel great and helps with portion control on carbs that cause me to binge.
Also, low-carb is really a blanket generalization used for all eating plans that restrict/decrease carb intake, period. Medical plans prescribed by doctors, are often restricted to 100-150g (not a ketosis level cut). Atkins restricts to 20g, with a gradual increase to your personal carb threshold over time. Keto is often a general term for those 20-30g or under deliberately trying to stay in ketosis. VLC, or very low carb, are often under 10g. There are people who do gross carb, net carb, 50g/day, 75g/day, carb cycling. People lump paleo and primal diets in with it, too. Similar in ways, but not the same. Just like apples have different kinds, so do low-carb eating plans. Most low-carbers I know have a maintenance plan waiting in the wings. Some feel very strongly about sugar, other don't. Some eat grains and fruit, some don't. I'm personally a "do what works for you."
Like low-carb or don't. Do it or don't. Makes no nevermind to me, but please don't disseminate wrong information.
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Well, no you're wrong. But please continue talking about something which you know nothing about.Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences. I eat 300-400g of carbs a day as a vegan on a 2,000 calorie diet and I'm losing weight and happy! No cravings. Don't give in to low-carb diet fad
LOL it's funny you talk about not giving into fads and you're vegan. Hmmmm. Interesting. How about "Let people eat how they want to eat"?
btw...just the fact that you are vegan gives you no credibility, because you are biased to the extreme. Most of us here are moderates. I am in keto, but I am not giving a yes/no answer to anyone on what they should be eating. I am simply providing facts. You are providing a biased opinion. Please (kindly) omit yourself from this conversation unless you can be unbiased. And please read the post by baconslave 4 above this answer....before you consider something a fad, read about it.
If there wasn't for bias on these forums, there wouldn't be much left to read...
And I don't know about suggesting a vegan read something posted by a "baconslave." I think those two should be kept apart.
:laugh: The most hilarious thing of all is that my sister is a vegan. We don't discuss food, and we get along fine.0 -
Well, no you're wrong. But please continue talking about something which you know nothing about.Don't cut the carbs! Cutting carbs = loss in water weight which appears as quick weight loss and that's why people like low-carb diets. But carbs are your body's preferred energy source and cutting them out will put your body in a state of ketosis which can have all sorts of negative consequences. I eat 300-400g of carbs a day as a vegan on a 2,000 calorie diet and I'm losing weight and happy! No cravings. Don't give in to low-carb diet fad
LOL it's funny you talk about not giving into fads and you're vegan. Hmmmm. Interesting. How about "Let people eat how they want to eat"?
btw...just the fact that you are vegan gives you no credibility, because you are biased to the extreme. Most of us here are moderates. I am in keto, but I am not giving a yes/no answer to anyone on what they should be eating. I am simply providing facts. You are providing a biased opinion. Please (kindly) omit yourself from this conversation unless you can be unbiased. And please read the post by baconslave 4 above this answer....before you consider something a fad, read about it.
If there wasn't bias on these forums, there wouldn't be much left to read.
If I read one more person say how they are losing all kinds of weight with their nightly ice cream...
And I don't know about suggesting a vegan read something posted by a "baconslave." I think those two should be kept apart.
haha. Touche. But it was my post I was referencing. She just quoted it.0 -
Alright...time to get off my *kitten* and go run for about 5 miles. Unless of course, those "negative health effects" of low carbing, whatever they are, cut me short.0
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Alright...time to get off my *kitten* and go run for about 5 miles. Unless of course, those "negative health effects" of low carbing, whatever they are, cut me short.
:laugh:
I'll be working out later myself. Enjoy.0
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