Overtraining?

SezxyStef

If you are taking one complete rest day a week that's a good thing.

Over training can happen...I saw it myself...

Then I realized I had only one complete rest day in 18....

Loss of strength or endurance
Always sore
Fatigue
Boredom
Depression
Get sick much more easily

I did have loss of strength and endurance, I was sore for a week, tired and the exercise didn't make me feel "good" like it normally did...I went back and looked at my diary and realized what I had done.

Take one day off a week at least and if you feel the need do a lighter day.

I remember being in the military and you do train hard and add into that other stuff...yah it would be easy to over train.

Leonidas_meets_Spartacus

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

fatcity66

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

But that's exactly the point that was being made about over training; that you need to rest/deload periodically to prevent it. This does not prove that overtraining doesn't exist. In fact, quite the opposite. That's like saying sports injuries don't exist. :noway:

Fit_Jesus

Strength coach: Elliott Hulse made a youtube video giving a simple test kinda like using heart rate variability using biofeedback to let your body tell you if something is wrong using grip strength. Grab some heavy weights, look at a clock and time how long you can hold the weight before your grip gives out. Retest every week. If your time goes down, you're either overtraining or undereating. Pretty simple and free!

browndog1410

I workout 3 x weekly and do mainly body weight (pullups, handstand pushups, jumping squats etc) and I read somewhere if your next session is suboptimal then you have probably overtained. Mind you, its probably also related to age (I'm 55 so perhaps I need more time to let my body recover).

Springfield1970

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

'Undertraining is more common than overtraining'. Who with? You? General sweeping statement, pretty vague....

'Too much theory and this is not how athletes train'. What theory are you referencing? Periodization? Rest?

'Training barriers.....' Are you the bionic man? Of course there's barriers! We are hovering on them constantly! That's what makes it so exciting, and that's why athletes injure themselves a lot. Barriers, human limitations.

Then you confirm periodization and the need to rest every few weeks. I'm really confused with your responses, they seem to contradict themselves.

It sounds like you have your training well balanced though, pushing hard, then resting and recovering and gaining strength and fitness during those periods without...you know...like...what's that word...yeah...overtraining.

ZaCkOX

Some possible symptoms of overtraining: Soreness with over-training? Depression with over-training?

Noooo, soreness means you did a good workout. Depression is a state of mind. Possibly, we could throw possibilities up all night, doesn't mean it is over-training.

I am more to agree with Leonidas_meets_spartacus. Over-training would directly show if you made your gains negative, like weeks go by and you cannot bench press what you could weeks ago. I used to workout through the soreness myself, you get GAINS, if those gains are over-training then wow I like over-training.

Leonidas_meets_Spartacus

Overtraining is pretty close to a myth. Soreness is ok, stop if there is pain. I used to squat heavy 14 times a week and was sore first week after that my body got used top it. But, make sure you reload every 4-6 weeks, take it easy for a week or two.

No. It's a very real and dangerous thing. It can permanently screw you up. There are people out there that have NEVER recovered. My bodpod guy is one of them. He used to train with Mo Farrer, he was that good. Anyway at 17, he didn't listen to himself, became ill, tried to catch up after time off then destroyed himself. He can't feel heat or cold, his hormones are whacked, he can't do sports, he is very nervy when he didn't used to be, it's scary. He did a PHD on overtraining syndrome. It's very interesting.

All athletes hover under and over the overtraining line, it's how you get fit. I've made myself sick overtraining. Sleep patterns screw up, hormones, eating, tummy issues, injuries, depression, tiredness aches and pains. A lot of athletes keep a constant log of their morning rested heart rate and mark themselves out of 10 for well being and tiredness every day in their diaries. It's no myth, it's very common, particularly in amateurs like myself who don't have a coach and follow periodization or hypertrophy programmes.

Look up Joe Friel's information on this syndrome, very useful and informative.

LOL. Ok. I work with coaches who train pro athletes, they laugh at this crap. You need to be smart and there is nothing like over training. You should look up how olympic lifters, power lifters train. People need to de-load for rubber banding effect to kick in.

You need to be smart about what? NOT over training?

Then why does de-loading exist? Holiday?

What is this 'rubber banding', do you mean recovery? Why do we need to recover if overtraining doesn't exist then.

So everybody's symptoms are imagined, even the monitored heart rate, and we can just carry on and on without resting?


Perhaps it's more common in the endurance world.....I don't know what type of training you are all doing to not experience the misery of overtraining, yes, even with enough fuel to repair and support the workouts. It goes beyond that. During periodization, you plan or spend a set small amount of time overtrained then get out of it at just the right time. It's meticulously planned and can be abused very easily without an experienced coach. Many amateurs like myself and my training buddies fall into overtraining, they specialise in Ironman, but I only do sprint distances and it doesn't take long to get overdone. But I'm pushing speeds like 21min 5k, at age 43, really intense training, WAY up the heart rate zones.

That's my experience with overtraining, and the years of reading and talking to coaches and athletes. I can't remember anyone finding it a very amusing subject worthy of LOLs, but maybe that's a bravado thing....

Undertraining is more common than overtraining. Too much theory and this is not how athletes train. Training barriers don't exists if you need to push through and become a top performer. Train hard for few weeks, deload/rest and get stronger is something lot of athletes do. I ran five Half marathons in five weeks, finishing 3rd in one race. Every one told me how I need to rest after my first half marathon and not run a race every weekend. Its offseason for my running, I lift heavy twice a day now, made huge gains because i train hard and deload. Yes, there is a slight fall in the strength and performance after 4-6 weeks, thats when you deload. After taking it easy for a week, the gains are huge not because of rest but rubber banding effect from training hard followed by a lower load.

But that's exactly the point that was being made about over training; that you need to rest/deload periodically to prevent it. This does not prove that overtraining doesn't exist. In fact, quite the opposite. That's like saying sports injuries don't exist. :noway:

Deload doesn't mean overtraining, Overtraining is something out of the norm, say like lifting twice a day for same body part when every one says take a day off in between the lifts. Deload has nothing to do with over training, its more for rest in between high intensity training.

xmichaelyx

All the unsourced broscience in this thread is fascinating.