Whole mess 'O' research to peruse.

kidakiwi04

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SHBoss1673

Hey guys, don't just bump it, contribute. Don't be bashful. Remember, there's no wrong answer to opinion. and all thoughts are welcome. Maybe you don't feel like you can add anything, but sometimes the smallest thought sparks the biggest debate. discussion is how we will work through many of the problems with weight today. Lets start that here!

ladyhawk00

I thought this study was important for 2 reasons.
1st because it shows that at least for the short term, men with no perceived food issues don't have a problem with varying their food intake for short periods. I found this to be interesting. Psychologically, they did what comes naturally, when being deprived of food their body tried to preserve blood sugar somewhat, and when in "recovery" they eat a little extra. this is exactly what one would expect. They didn't gorge themselves after a short famine state as people with food issues may do. And their insulin responded in kind, jumping up a little to balance out the extra carbohydrate intake.

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2nd leptin, the hormone that tells us we are hungry, was not raised proportionally on the days that the "re-feeding" occurred, saying that in a healthy normal person, the body doesn't "panic" and overeat. It's only in people that there is already a strong psychological connection to food in some way that the brain does "weird things" with regard to re-feeding. Just thought it was an interesting study in contrast to what we on MFP normally read. I.E. most of the stuff we (I at least) look at are related to obesity and eating disorders, it's good to look at the other side sometimes and see what there is to see.

Ok, but it seems to me that another important aspect of this is that, while they did NOT overeat in cals, they were inclined to eat carbs. Particularly, this could be key for overeaters. To me, this sounds like carb-loading. Obviously not on purpose, but even in a moderate amount, an important result. We don't know the result would be the same in obese subjects, but my guess would be that, if anything, the tendency to overeat and increase carb intake could be even worse. Because this would possibly contribute to "yo-yoing" - especially IF this same scenario happened with a person who had dysfunctional relationships with food. Basically, if you try to diet for a few days, on a greatly decreased cal intake, and then return to normal eating - or, more likely in an overeater, to binge - and there is an "instinctual" high ratio of carbs, that could certainly contribute to a "starve/binge" diet pattern. Obviously, this could mean weight increase - and a repeating cycle.

ladyhawk00

http://www.ajcn.org/content/25/1/85.full.pdf+html?sid=5deb5c19-82fc-46dc-bf19-5dc7842a779a

Ok, so this somewhat addresses my question from the other thread re: macro ratios. But I'm still a bit fuzzy on what an ideal would be for weight reduction with exercise. They mention that intake would increase, therefore automatically increasing protein. And clearly strenuous activity requires a larger load of carbs. But where does fat fit in, and how much MORE carbs are needed in a moderate exercise plan (maybe I missed the points on this?) And would there be any difference for men vs. women? As I recall, estrogen reacts with carbs differently, but is it enough to require a different intake?

SHBoss1673

LH, I'll respond eventually, but right now I'm writing up my blog post for this week, so I'll have to get back to your carb questions.