MILK- to drink or not to drink...that is the question

natalie1

What do you think: some artices advise to have nonfat milk daily for calcium, others say that cow 's milk is only intended for calfs (and babies) to gain fat. What do think?:flowerforyou:

natalie1

What do you think: some artices advise to have nonfat milk daily for calcium, others say that cow 's milk is only intended for calfs (and babies) to gain fat. What do think?:flowerforyou:

Eve23

Ok this is probably biased as I have had milk issues all my life. But personally we don't use much milk in our family. I most often drink almond milk.

I think it is a personal choice but do listen to how your body reacts to it.

PedalHound

I used to love it but I really do find it creepy that we give our children and ourselves what is made for babies of another species. We SERIOUSLY limit dairy in our house. Personal choice. But of course both my kiddos are still breastfeeding so it puts the whole idea of "milk" in a slightly different place.

neverbeenskinny

I use to be a heavy milk drinker and thought it was good for me. And now I drink soy milk, mainly due to things that I have heard, much like what you have heard. I decided to stop drinking cow's milk for 2 months and see what would happen to me.

2 months later, I found that it was a little easier to lose weight, my allergies were much better, my digestion of food was a lot better, I no longer had mucus every morning.

I would suggest giving up milk for a short period of time and see if it makes a difference for you. I can't guarantee that all my issues were from drinking milk, but I don't want to chance getting all those symptoms back if I start drinking milk again.

One more thing, I've noticed that I get a stomach ache after I eat ice cream now, so I've switch to soy ice cream.

paul82682

i've heard that milk is really good for you. it's a good source of vitamins and protein without a lot of fat (if you drink the low fat). i've also read that a low fat milk is better for you than skim. basically when they skim out all the fat, it skims out most of the nutrients, too. as far as it being weird that we drink milk from other animals- the way i see it, if we can cut 'em up and eat their meat, why not drink the milk too. but to each his own.

shorerider

Well, I on on the fence although I have read LOTS of bad stuff about the milk that is sold in our grocery stores. I limit myself to 1/2 cup a day of skim unless I make a smoothie, then I use an extra 1 cup on those days.

I have read lots of good stuff about "raw" milk and have read research that seems to show it is much better for you than the stuff we buy in stores. I'd love to try it but there is no source of it close to me right now. If I could find a healthy source of milk though, I'd get it instead of the stuff sold in stores. And, before some says it, I HATE soy or rice milk--tried them. :sick:

Anyway, here's on article that outlines why milk isn't as good as some (like the dairy industry) would have us believe. (BTW, this is just one article but it pretty much echos everything I've read on the 'net.

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http://www.mercola.com/article/milk/no_milk.htm


Don't Drink Your Milk!

Processing Is the Problem

The path that transforms healthy milk products into allergens and carcinogens begins with modern feeding methods that substitute high-protein, soy-based feeds for fresh green grass and breeding methods to produce cows with abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow. These cows need antibiotics to keep them well.

Their milk is then pasteurized so that all valuable enzymes are destroyed (lactase for the assimilation of lactose; galactase for the assimilation of galactose; phosphatase for the assimilation of calcium).

Literally dozens of other precious enzymes are destroyed in the pasteurization process. Without them, milk is very difficult to digest. The human pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; over-stress of the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases.

The butterfat of commercial milk is homogenized, subjecting it to rancidity. Even worse, butterfat may be removed altogether. Skim milk is sold as a health food, but the truth is that butter-fat is in milk for a reason.

Without it the body cannot absorb and utilize the vitamins and minerals in the water fraction of the milk. Along with valuable trace minerals and short chain fatty acids, butterfat is America's best source of preformed vitamin A.

Synthetic vitamin D, known to be toxic to the liver, is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat. Butterfat also contains re-arranged acids which have strong anti-carcinogenic properties.

Non-fat dried milk is added to 1% and 2% milk. Unlike the cholesterol in fresh milk, which plays a variety of health promoting roles, the cholesterol in non-fat dried milk is oxidized and it is this rancid cholesterol that promotes heart disease.

Like all spray dried products, non-fat dried milk has a high nitrite content. Non-fat dried milk and sweetened condensed milk are the principle dairy products in third world countries; use of ultra high temperature pasteurized milk is widespread in Europe.

Other Factors Regarding Milk

Milk and refined sugar make two of the largest contributions to food induced ill health in our country. That may seem like an overly harsh statement, but when one examines the evidence, this is a reasonable conclusion.

The recent approval by the FDA of the use of BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) by dairy farmers to increase their milk production only worsens the already sad picture.

BGH causes an increase in an insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) in the milk of treated cows. IGF-1 survives milk pasteurization and human intestinal digestion. It can be directly absorbed into the human bloodstream, particularly in infants.

It is highly likely that IGF-1 promotes the transformation of human breast cells to cancerous forms. IGF-1 is also a growth factor for already cancerous breast and colon cancer cells, promoting their progression and invasiveness.

It is also possible for us to absorb the BGH directly from the milk. This will cause further IGF-1 production by our own cells.

BGH will also decrease the body fat of cows. Unfortunately, the body fat of cows is already contaminated with a wide range of carcinogens, pesticides, dioxin, and antibiotic residues. When the cows have less body fat, these toxic substances are then transported into the cows' milk.

BGH also causes the cows to have an increase in breast infections for which they must receive additional antibiotics.

Prior to BGH, 38%of milk sampled nationally was already contaminated by illegal residues of antibiotics and animal drugs. This will only increase with the use of BGH. One can only wonder what the long term complications will be for drinking milk that has a 50% chance it is contaminated with antibiotics.

There is also a problem with a protein enzyme called xanthine oxidase which is in cow's milk. Normally, proteins are broken down once you digest them.

However, when milk is homogenized, small fat globules surround the xanthine oxidase and it is absorbed intact into your blood stream. There is some very compelling research demonstrating clear associations with this absorbed enzyme and increased risks of heart disease.

Ear specialists frequently insert tubes into the ear drums of infants to treat recurrent ear infections. It has replaced the previously popular tonsillectomy to become the number one surgery in the country.

Unfortunately, most of these specialists don't realize that over 50% of these children will improve and have no further ear infections if they just stop drinking their milk.

This is a real tragedy. Not only is the $3,000 spent on the surgery wasted, but there are some recent articles supporting the likelihood that most children who have this procedure will have long term hearing losses.

It is my strong recommendation that you discontinue your milk products. If you find this difficult, I would start for several weeks only, and reevaluate how you feel at that time.

This would include ALL dairy, including skim milk and Lact-Aid milk, cheese, yogurt, and ice cream. If you feel better after several weeks you can attempt to rotate small amounts of one form of milk every four days.

You probably are wondering what will happen to your bones and teeth if you stop milk. The majority of the world's population takes in less than half the calcium we are told we need and yet they have strong bones and healthy teeth.

Cows' milk is rich in phosphorous which can combine with calcium -- and can prevent you from absorbing the calcium in milk. The milk protein also accelerates calcium excretion from the blood through the kidneys.

This is also true when you eat large amount of meat and poultry products. Vegetarians will need about 50% less calcium than meat eaters because they lose much less calcium in their urine.

It is possible to obtain all your calcium from dark green vegetables (where do you think the cow gets their's from?). The darker the better. Cooked collard greens and kale are especially good. If you or your child is unable to take in large amounts of green vegetables, you might want to supplement with calcium.

If you can swallow pills, we have an excellent, inexpensive source called Calcium Citrate, which has a number of other minerals which your body requires to build up maximally healthy bone.

It is much better than a simple calcium tablet. You can take about 1,000 mg a day. For those who already suffer from osteoporosis, the best calcium supplement is microcrystalline hydroxyapatite.

It is also important that you take vitamin D in the winter months from November to March. Normally your skin converts sunshine to vitamin D, but the sunshine levels in the winter are very low unless you visit Florida or Mexico type areas.

Most people obtain their vitamin D from milk in the winter; so if you stop it, please make sure you are taking calcium with vitamin D or a multi vitamin with vitamin D to prevent bone thinning.

Most people are not aware that the milk of most mammals varies considerably in its composition. For example, the milk of goats, elephants, cows, camels, wolves, and walruses show marked differences, in their content of fats, protein, sugar, and minerals. Each was designed to provide optimum nutrition to the young of the respective species. Each is different from human milk.

In general, most animals are exclusively breast-fed until they have tripled their birth weight, which in human infants occurs around the age of one year. In no mammalian species, except for the human (and domestic cat) is milk consumption continued after the weaning period. Calves thrive on cow milk. Cow's milk is designed for calves.

Cow's milk is the number one allergic food in this country. It has been well documented as a cause in diarrhea, cramps, bloating, gas, gastrointestinal bleeding, iron-deficiency anemia, skin rashes, atherosclerosis, and acne.

It is the primary cause of recurrent ear infections in children. It has also been linked to insulin dependent diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, infertility, and leukemia.

Hopefully, you will reconsider your position on using milk as a form of nourishment. Small amounts of milk or milk products taken infrequently, will likely cause little or no problems for most people.

However, the American Dairy Board has done a very effective job of marketing this product. Most people believe they need to consume large, daily quantities of milk to achieve good health. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Public health officials and the National Dairy Council have worked together in this country to make it very difficult to obtain wholesome, fresh, raw dairy products. Nevertheless, they can be found with a little effort. In some states, you can buy raw milk directly from farmers.

Whole, pasteurized, non-homogenized milk from cows raised on organic feed is now available in many gourmet shops and health food stores. It can be cultured to restore enzyme content, at least partially. Cultured buttermilk is often more easily digested than regular milk; it is an excellent product to use in baking.

Many shops now carry whole cream that is merely pasteurized (not ultra pasteurized like most commercial cream); diluted with water, it is delicious on cereal and a good substitute for those allergic to milk.

Traditionally made creme fraiche (European style sour cream), it also has a high enzyme content.

elliott062907

from my personal experience, milk then is not like milk now. when I grew up it was the bomb, creamy and ice cold nad you drank it for each meal..... now?? it is full of crap and it really hurts my hubby and my tummy.

I drink rice, soy and skim delight and sometimes organic. Mostly rice and soy. I use the samt e to cook with as well as skimmed evaporated milk.

I know there are several that love milk and swear by it, but there are a lot like us on this post that can't or don't enjoy it and it also works different ways for each body type.......

natalie1

yes, Shorerider, that is what I am talking about!!!! Thank you so much- very good article

let me ask you this:is not there something hormonal in soy milk too?



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sculley

I think alot of people have problems with their bodies reacting to milk or aka caesin. We were on a diet due to our son's possible autism a year ago and we were giving him soy or almond milk it seemed to help us to. I am really thinking about going back to "almond breeze" atleast.

yoginimary

Not to disagree with everyone, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

I agree that the non-grass eating cows are going to produce less healthful milk. If this is why you are giving up milk, are you giving up all animal products as well? Unless you are shopping at farmer's markets, there is very little truly free range animal products out there.

Are you also giving up processed foods? Do you realize how hard this is?

I'm the last person to discourage people from giving up animal products or processed foods, but I think milk has gotten more of a bad wrap than these other foods.

If you like milk, drink it. If you can't find "free range" or "grass fed" milk, try for hormone free milk at least.

bayaderka

We are the only species on the planet that drinks milk from another animal,
and the only species that drinks milk after infancy

The whole "milk gives you calcium" is propaganda.

There are skinnier ways to get calcium.

:noway: Don't drink milk, it is fattening, even though it is "fat free":laugh: and all that jazz.

Drink soy milk, almond milk or rice milk.

For 1 cup of almond milk, it is only 30 calories, vs. 130 calories for 2% milk. You can use those 100 calories for something more tasty or beneficial for your health.

littlespoon

PLEASE...if you are going to make an "informed" decision about something, make sure what you are reading is reliable and factual and preferably referenced. That website does not mention qualifications of its "doctors", any refernce to the study the article was based on or anything. ANYONE can start a website and say whatever they like.

mjfer123

Okay, so what about cheese.
I personally love milk, cheese, yogurt, butter etc. (mmm and ice cream)
So while I see how it may be weird for some people, but I think that this is being over thought.
Everyone is entitled to eat or not eat whatever they choose.
Like everything its just moderation that is key.
The nutrients that come from dairy I think are hard to be replaced with some other alternatives.
Im fine with drinking milk from another animal, maybe this is one of the many factors that led humans to have more evolved brains along with other environmental/communal/natural stimulus.

mholmes

Soy milk is just as good and has calcium as well. I once read a study that said that the process of making milk healthy to drink, all they do to it, and all that is added that by the time your body is done processing it you've used more nutritionally then you've actually taken in. That doesn't mean it's not healthier than soda, of course but water is great for ya too. And since I'm lactose intolerant, soy milk has been a great replacement!

bettywannabe

My Doctor said NO MILK or Dairy

He explained that humans are the ONLY mamals that ingest dairy after infancy.

He also explained that fruits and vegetables were an excellent way to get those nutrients.

He does no dairy.

He is also Dr OOOOO la la!

great skin, great body, WOW!

shorerider

Okay, so what about cheese.
I personally love milk, cheese, yogurt, butter etc. (mmm and ice cream)
So while I see how it may be weird for some people, but I think that this is being over thought.
Everyone is entitled to eat or not eat whatever they choose.
Like everything its just moderation that is key.
The nutrients that come from dairy I think are hard to be replaced with some other alternatives.
Im fine with drinking milk from another animal, maybe this is one of the many factors that led humans to have more evolved brains along with other environmental/communal/natural stimulus.

Never said that anyone wasn't free to drink milk, etc. if that's what they want. I did say that I've researched it and have decided to limit my intake of the stuff available in stores, including cheese (which is high in sodium as well). If someone wants to drink gallons of the stuff, that's their decision--although moderation is the key, as you said yourself.

But I'll limit my intake of any dairy product until such a time that I can get my hands on some raw stuff or organic stuff and see if there is indeed a difference. Right now, I'm in an area where organic and stuff like that is impossible to find.

yoginimary

I agree with shorerider in a way. If you want to drink it, do it, or not. Eat soy or not. Some people can handle milk, some cannot. Some can handle soy, some cannot. Most people of European ancestry can handle milk and have the enzyme to breakdown lactose, others do not. There is evidence that milk/soy/eggs are good for you and evidence that they are not. Do what feels right for you.

But do not use the argument that we are the only species/mammal that drinks milk after infancy. We are also the only species that can handle cocoa or that cooks their food. Try another argument.

mholmes

I agree with shorerider in a way. If you want to drink it, do it, or not. Eat soy or not. Some people can handle milk, some cannot. Some can handle soy, some cannot. Most people of European ancestry can handle milk and have the enzyme to breakdown lactose, others do not. There is evidence that milk/soy/eggs are good for you and evidence that they are not. Do what feels right for you.

But do not use the argument that we are the only species/mammal that drinks milk after infancy. We are also the only species that can handle cocoa or that cooks their food. Try another argument.

:noway: Kudos. You certainly put me in MY place! While I do think there are valid arguments here.. In total IS about what's right for the individual. Hopefully all this will give her the non-biased information she needs.

LML79

BIG milk drinker here! I think that my drinking Skim Milk has actually HELPED me in my weight loss...mainly because it fills me with little calories. I have always gone through a gallon of milk in just a few days. Also love Soy milk and rice dream milk ...just to have something a little different ( and because my son is allergic to milk and drinks soy only) good luck with whatever you decide

paul82682

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

mholmes

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

:sick:

pmkelly409

Hello all! I have been reading all this but not posting because I haven't done much research on the subject - but then I remembered something!!

One of the girls I run with just got back from a conference where the FDA/Dairy Council presented an arguement to High School coaches from all over the country on why their athletes should drink milk after their workouts. I will be seeing her tonight for the first time since she has been back and I am going to present all these arguments to her and see what she says.

I do remember her saying that the Dairy Council (Association?) got sued by two GIANT beverage companies (i'll let you guess which ones!) when they ran the ads about milk being beneficial for losing weight. That is why those ads disappeared!

I will report back tomorrow on what she said!!

PrincessLaundry

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

Does this have anything to do with those people who buy the bucket sized drinks from the Tom Thumb??? GAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told my son the size was called the "bladder buster." :noway:

PrincessLaundry

I drink milk...

Slurp!

It does the body good!


(It is a great way to get in "missing" calories at the end of the night.)

Zeii

I am horribly lactose intolerant so it doesn't really effect me. I do buy it for the kids though even though it grosses me out.

KrisKabob

LOVE milk!!!

I don't think there is a thing wrong with drinking milk and I actually agree with an earlier post which said that milk can help you lose weight. So I say drink away!!! :drinker: I go through about a gallon a week!

Any "diet" that restricts milk - you can count me OUT!!!

paul82682

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

Does this have anything to do with those people who buy the bucket sized drinks from the Tom Thumb??? GAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told my son the size was called the "bladder buster." :noway:

haha no no it's when you try to drink a gallon of milk in one hour but you can't puke before the hour is up. we used to do it in college. i myself have never been able to get more than 3/4 down before puking but i once saw one guy do the whole thing. it was awesome. we tried it with eggnog one year around christmas time. that's probably something i'll never do again, and i'm ok with that.

PrincessLaundry

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

Does this have anything to do with those people who buy the bucket sized drinks from the Tom Thumb??? GAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told my son the size was called the "bladder buster." :noway:

haha no no it's when you try to drink a gallon of milk in one hour but you can't puke before the hour is up. we used to do it in college. i myself have never been able to get more than 3/4 down before puking but i once saw one guy do the whole thing. it was awesome. we tried it with eggnog one year around christmas time. that's probably something i'll never do again, and i'm ok with that.

LOL That sounds like a TDY project...GAG!!!

pam0206

Personally, I am not a big milk drinker, but I try to get in dairy servings through at least one serving of milk along with cheese or yogurt daily. My concern is osteoporosis. I would say, before completely eliminating dairy products (for which I know that there are widely varying reasons why people do), please talk to your doctor about it, especially if osteoporosis runs in your family.....

mjfer123

any body here ever do the Gallon Challenge?

Does this have anything to do with those people who buy the bucket sized drinks from the Tom Thumb??? GAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told my son the size was called the "bladder buster." :noway:

haha no no it's when you try to drink a gallon of milk in one hour but you can't puke before the hour is up. we used to do it in college. i myself have never been able to get more than 3/4 down before puking but i once saw one guy do the whole thing. it was awesome. we tried it with eggnog one year around christmas time. that's probably something i'll never do again, and i'm ok with that.

I thought this was physically impossible...
the milk curdles in your stomach before you can finish? or something to the effect that your stomach cant handle all of it/ break it down quick enough causing the puking.
If youve seen someone actually finish this, he must either have a huge capacity in his stomach or his body must be a freak powerhouse that can handle high doses.