Help needed on low carb diet and eating exercise calories.

jknops2

That is the single most ignorant post I have ever read, I will delve into it tomorrow, calories in, calories out, LMAO here have that twinkie it's all about calories right.

Correct, see http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

Grokette

Some people do fine on low carbs, but most will gain the weight back when they return to regular ratios of food. Some people will remain on low carbs for life, which is hard on your kidneys and cardiovascular system, but does control weight and seems to work for body builders. If you plan on making a lifestyle change rather than a diet, don't count on cutting carbs as a solution. MFP's ratios are a healthy mix of the food types the human body needs to remain healthy for the long-term. If anything, a 5% boost in protein, taken from carbs, may be needed for those who are building muscle through weight/resistance training.

Some people souldn't give advice, there is NO evidence that a low card diet is hard on healthy kidneys,,,, NONE. As for gaining back weight,,, duh, so do people that go on a low fat diet, and return to eating the way they did before. And besides if you would educate yourself, you would know that no "low carb" diet advises you to stay under 50 for life. The ultra low carb portion is for initial weight loss, then you add back "healthy" carbs.

I beg to differ. The medical journals have had several articles on the damage ketones do to the kidneys, and the entire point of low carb is to go into ketosis. 75 gms of carbs is still low-carb, and is still not a lifestyle many people are willing to live with long-term. As a nurse-practitioner, I have cared for people who have lost gobs of weight on low carb diets, but they began to regain as soon as they began eating carbs again, even when their overall calories were not out of range. My point is, low carbs (anything below about 55% of calories) is not a life-long weight-management plan, and in my opinion as a healthcare provider, should not be done unless under the supervision of a weight-specialist. If you want to change your life to maintain weight loss long-term, low-carb is NOT the answer.

No point arguing with these people. People who follow these diets seem like reborn religious converts to me. It does not matter what you say their mind is made up, and they are fervent in trying to convert you, and defend their choice of faith/diet. Often they claim that there is a government/industry/Monsanto conspiracy out there that has brainwashed all of us, and that they have found a leader/diet that has lead them out of this wilderness. It seems to me that these diets start with a tiny fact, or some random observation, and then they build this pyramid of illogical reasoning on that, ignoring any solid studies and evidence. They reject these studies claiming some government/industry/Monsanto conspiracy.

Simple question for you, what diet plan do you follow?

Easy answer. No diet at all. Calories in and calories out, that’s all that matters for losing weight. Eat less, and/or exercise more, do that and you will lose weight.

Healthy nutrition is a different story, and yes, I do pay attention to what I eat for other reasons, like cholesterol, prediabetes, cancer risk, etc. I have two kids; my spouse has a one hour commute each way, so I take care of the kids shuffling them around and dinner, leave the house by 7-8 get back by 5-6 and I do have to work in between. So, no time for calories out, i.e. exercise, except for the weekend.

So, I eat less. All the same foods, but less, count your calories, no magic involved with this. The only thing that I changed is eat more fish, beans and tofu, less pork and beef. But that’s because my cholesterol is too high. And more whole grains and I added some fiber supplements, I noticed that fiber is hard to get above 30 g/day, if you are on a diet and eat less, especially carbs and nuts. And yes, counting calories, I found out that my main problem before was too much potatoes, bread, rice, and peanuts, so I scaled carbs down, but it is still 50% of my calories from carbs. I never ate much desert, drink soft drinks, candy etc. before, so that never was an issue. As many Americans, I added 1-2 pounds per year over 25 years, and then gradually it becomes an issue. So count your calories, see where your problem is and scale that back.

I did use to skip breakfast, and ate too much lunch because of this, so I did add breakfast, fat free yogurt, fruit and some muesli. Doing this, and eating less, I went from a BMI of 28 to 23 in 5 months, aiming for 20 in another 5 months. But this low range of normal is based on my prediabetes, and looking at studies, bringing your BMI to the low range of normal lowers the risk for developing diabetes a lot. This BMI should not be the goal for most people reading this.

So bottom line, calories in and calories out, that’s all that matters for your BMI, and your weight. I eat the same as before, just less of each serving.

But that’s my story. I don’t have a sweet tooth, which makes it a bit easier, works keeps me busy, and I don’t have time for a lot of exercise. Everyone has to figure out, or find help that guide them figure out how they can do it, eat less or exercise more.

But the bottom line is there is no magical item that will solve this for you. Not coconut oil, not a paleo, HCG, Atkins, or any other diet. Yes, eat healthy for a lot of reasons, but if you want to lose weight, calories in, and calories out, that’s it. And yes, it is hard, either eating less and/or exercising more, but bringing your BMI down to a healthy range does more to your health than anything else If you trust evidence based science.

And the only reason I post to this threat to this question, is because many people seem to get confused, and some people have this conviction, and try to convince other people, that if you change just one magical thing, like no carbs, HCG, Atkins, all your weight problems will magically get solved with no effort. Well dream on, the bad news is none of these work long term and losing weight is very easy, eat less, exercise more. But also very hard at the same time, yes the peanuts are still calling out to me every night. But if you want to have a long healthy life, getting your BMI in a healthy range is the best thing that you can do. And for those of you doing weird diets, if it works for you, great, but please stop peddling this on other people. In my mind that’s not working for most of us, and I stick to my basic point, calories in versus calories out, that’s all that matters for your weight, BMI, and ultimately your health.

You obviously haven't read Good Calories, Bad Calories by Dr. Gary Taubes. It is not as simple as calories in, calories out.

I can eat a 1,200 calorie eating plan of brown rice, "whole grain" pasta, etc............ and GAIN weight.

1,600 calories of fats, proteins and veggies and the weight is falling off.

It is not calories in calories out. If that were the case, every single person on this site that cut their calories would be losing weight effortlessly.

I am so glad that I now get it. I am no longer blinded by conventional wisdom and conventional thinking.

freerange

I promised I would delve into this,,,,,,,,,, post, today so here goes, let’s start off with a little role playing.

CW (that’s conventional wisdom for those of you in Reolinda)
And PD (Primal Dieter)

CW: you, all meat eaters are religious zealots in your preaching of the “right” way to eat.

PD: Well it works, and we don’t just eat meat,,,, (CW interrupts)

CW: it’s unhealthy your kidneys will fail.

PD: Ummm, no they won’t and here is the studies that prove it.

CW: Ignores the studies,,,, and everyone I know on a high protein diet is constipated.

PD: Primal really isn’t a high protein die,,,,, (CW interrupts again)

CW: anyway you will die if you don’t eat carbs

PD: Umm like I said we do eat,,,, (CW interrupts again)

CW: We Humans evolved to eat grains.

PD: Really,,,,, I don’t know what to say to that,,,,, grain was only cultivated about 10,000 years ago.

PD: tell me CW what diet do you follow?

CW: Oh,, well,, I don’t follow any diet,,, really, I, uh, well I just count calories,,,,, yeah that’s it I just watch what I eat,,, after all a calorie is a calorie, and it’s all about calories in and calories out.

PB: Really, so why are you trying to lose weight?

CW because I want to get in shape and lead a healthy life.

PB: and you are eating the same things you did before? Just in smaller amounts?

CW: Well mostly, I did cut back on the carbs,,,,,,, ah I mean the bad carbs, you know sugar, soda pop, fast food. (chest puffed out) I now eat whole wheat bread, pasta, pizza crust, chips, and I spread tofu on all of it.

PB: But didn’t you just say a calorie is a calorie? And wouldn’t that translate into a carb is a carb?

CW: Well no silly PB there are “good” (and they really do use their fingers to sign the “”) carbs, and “bad” carbs. Gee where have you been?

PB: Just so I have this right, there are good and bad carbs, but all calories are the same? Right?

CW: Yes, you got it now, so quit preaching this lie about cutting out grains and come on over to the real truth.

PB: But wasn’t this thread started by someone wanting advice on low card, and wasn’t it you that jumped on them and started preaching?

CW: Ummmmm, well you guys do it more.

Grokette

I promised I would delve into this,,,,,,,,,, post, today so here goes, let’s start off with a little role playing.

CW (that’s conventional wisdom for those of you in Reolinda)
And PD (Primal Dieter)

CW: you, all meat eaters are religious zealots in your preaching of the “right” way to eat.

PD: Well it works, and we don’t just eat meat,,,, (CW interrupts)

CW: it’s unhealthy your kidneys will fail.

PD: Ummm, no they won’t and here is the studies that prove it.

CW: Ignores the studies,,,, and everyone I know on a high protein diet is constipated.

PD: Primal really isn’t a high protein die,,,,, (CW interrupts again)

CW: anyway you will die if you don’t eat carbs

PD: Umm like I said we do eat,,,, (CW interrupts again)

CW: We Humans evolved to eat grains.

PD: Really,,,,, I don’t know what to say to that,,,,, grain was only cultivated about 10,000 years ago.

PD: tell me CW what diet do you follow?

CW: Oh,, well,, I don’t follow any diet,,, really, I, uh, well I just count calories,,,,, yeah that’s it I just watch what I eat,,, after all a calorie is a calorie, and it’s all about calories in and calories out.

PB: Really, so why are you trying to lose weight?

CW because I want to get in shape and lead a healthy life.

PB: and you are eating the same things you did before? Just in smaller amounts?

CW: Well mostly, I did cut back on the carbs,,,,,,, ah I mean the bad carbs, you know sugar, soda pop, fast food. (chest puffed out) I now eat whole wheat bread, pasta, pizza crust, chips, and I spread tofu on all of it.

PB: But didn’t you just say a calorie is a calorie? And wouldn’t that translate into a carb is a carb?

CW: Well no silly PB there are “good” (and they really do use their fingers to sign the “”) carbs, and “bad” carbs. Gee where have you been?

PB: Just so I have this right, there are good and bad carbs, but all calories are the same? Right?

CW: Yes, you got it now, so quit preaching this lie about cutting out grains and come on over to the real truth.

PB: But wasn’t this thread started by someone wanting advice on low card, and wasn’t it you that jumped on them and started preaching?

CW: Ummmmm, well you guys do it more.

ha ha, this is hilarious!!

Thanks for my morning laugh!!

MissKim

I love the primal lifestlye! I've never felt better or had more energy!!! and in general no one should be judging another person b/c of their choices! everyone is different and is entitled to their own opinion. However, the title of this thread says "help needed on low carb diet" so that's why us low carbers are here offering advice. If you are not a low carb person, you shouldn't even open the thread. who's pushing what on whom?? sounds like you are the one's trying to push things. i highly recommend www.marksdailyapple.com. and i wouldn't even read all the ins and outs to begin with. just go straight to the success stories. b/c how healthy people are and what they look like is what i look at. if you have 60 lbs to lose and you've lost zero on here trying to give out weight loss advice, you need to get a mirror and do some thinking!!! Results are everything. Everyone can have theories, but the end result should be health and happiness. The reason primal/paleo people sell this like a religion is b/c they are so happy with the results and how they feel that they want to share it with everyone!!! me included!

freerange

No point arguing with these people. People who follow these diets seem like reborn religious converts to me. It does not matter what you say their mind is made up, and they are fervent in trying to convert you, and defend their choice of faith/diet. Often they claim that there is a government/industry/Monsanto conspiracy out there that has brainwashed all of us, and that they have found a leader/diet that has lead them out of this wilderness. It seems to me that these diets start with a tiny fact, or some random observation, and then they build this pyramid of illogical reasoning on that, ignoring any solid studies and evidence. They reject these studies claiming some government/industry/Monsanto conspiracy.
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Thank you! I have yet to see an elderly person on a high protein diet that isn't bound up tight as a drum and having chest pain regularly. Yes people are put on high protein to heal from surgery, and as I said high protein works for body builders, but the human GI tract is not suited to meat, meat, meat, and our planet can't tolerate it either! Our need for grains is not a myth, it is an evolutionary necessity. If you had said our need for dairy is a myth, I would agree, because dairy is just a convenient mechanism for gaining calcium, and not really something our bodies have need of otherwise, as proved by the huge numbers of people in the world who are lactose intolerant. But the need for grains, the B vitamins they contain, the fiber, and the healthy fats in some of them, is not a myth. Those who are true converts go right ahead and eat the diet you espouse, but don't push your "facts" on others. When we have real, long-term data on the effects of low-carb eating, I promise it will not be the rosy picture of health some make it out to be. Cats are carnivores, people are not
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“…but the human GI tract is not suited to meat, meat, meat, and our planet can't tolerate it either!”

I love this, very telling about who you are and what your real agenda is. Let me guess you are a member of PETA, a Vegan, and probably donate money to HSUS and green peace. And if I showed you a picture of me standing next to a magnificent buck mule deer I killed, it would send you into cardiac arrest.

I will give you a home work lesson, not that I expect you to do it, but this is for those that might read your,,,,,, I’ll be polite and just call it miss-information. Read, the Vegetarian Myth. Your little lie about the “plant can’t tolerate it” would be amusing if it wasn’t for the fact that so many people fall for it. The FACT is a vegetarian diet is so much more destructive to the environment . Where do you think all those grains, and veggies come from you eat? Someone just walks around out in nature picking them up off the ground? Ever hear of habitat destruction, care to guess the biggest cause of it, other than urban sprawl, here’s a hint,,,,,,,,, FARMING, what does farming produce,,,, veggies. Shall we talk about depletion of the aquifers? Naw I’ll let that one go for now.

Now for your GI track not being suited for meat, meat, meat,,,,,, ummm I wonder how the Eskimos have survived all these years?

freerange

Sure is quiet in here,,,,,,,,,, shine the light and they all run.