No carbs after 2:00......SERIOUSLY?!?!?!
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I mean that is if giving up carbs after 2pm works for you- I have also read the same thing. Its called the 17 day diet and was featured on Dr Phil. The dr who wrote the book says no carbs after 2pm. Proteins and non starchy vegetables after 2pm only. From what I understood reading the book its not that carbs are BAD after 2pm, its just that the slow your weightloss down. Protein and veggies after 2pm sped it up. But I'm sure everyone is different.
Again, does anyone remember the scientific explanation, or just that some talking head on TV said "don't eat carbs after 2pm, helps weightloss?"
Carbs are an essential part of everyone's diet. As a basic primer, let me explain:
Our bodies derive energy from three macronutrients; carbohydrates, fat, and protein. Now, fats and protein have many uses other than providing energy, whereas carbohydrates do not. The constituent amino acids in protein are the fundamental building blocks of our living tissues, used to create and repair literally everything in our bodies. Fat plays a role in our endocrine system, among other things, and is essential to dissolving fat soluble compounds in our bodies. Carbohydrates do one thing; provide our machine with an efficient source of energy.
When our body needs energy, it needs it most commonly in the form of glucose or glycogen (particular molecular forms of "carbohydrates"). Our bodies are FAR more efficient at converting carbohydrates into glucose or glycogen than they are at converting protein or fat to the same. If you don't eat any carbohydrates (atkins) you are denying your body the energy source that it has adapted to best use; you are slowing it down. If you are a couch potato and drink a lot of caffeine, then perhaps this wont bother you very much, but honestly, EVERYONE is far better off eating carbs and working exercise into their health plan.
So the Atkins diet and other carb-restrictive diets just seem like bad-science. Why would you deprive yourself of something that your body not only needs, but has evolved for aeons to use efficiently? So many people lose weight while staying healthy without the use of these carb-restrictive diets. What makes you think you are different than them?
The theory behind low-carb eating is that we have become efficient processors of non-fiber carbs because they are toxic to the body. Not because we need them. The body is just trying to get rid of them as quickly as possible.
Carbs spike insulin. Every time the cells are exposed to insulin, they become a little more resistant to it (especially if you are inactive). As you become insulin-resistant, every system in your body suffers and ages.
These eating plans work well for weight loss because in the absence of carbs, you're mainly going to burn fat. They are tough to adopt as a lifestyle because our culture is so carb-focused.
Oh my god this is just terrible. Do you actually believe any of that?
Carbohydrates are in no way toxic to the body, and insulin is not a bad thing. It's a hormone, like any other, that is integral to regulating our bodily functions. Insulin spikes are only "bad" and only occur if you eat high amounts of short chain carbohydrates (like simple sugar) without anything else in your stomach to slow/temper their absorption, and your energy levels become out of balance.
I suggest that if you (for some reason) find this whole no-carb mumbo-jumbo to be compelling, you take a basic nutrition class or read a basic nutrition guide.0 -
Your body can't burn the carbs off when your sleeping or less active, so limit them later on in the day. Those carbs that don't get burnt can get stored as fat.
False. Your body burns carbs regardless of whether you are sleeping, waking, running a marathon. The ratio at which it burns carbs, to fat, to protein varies of course, but it's just plain false that your body can't burn carbs if you aren't doing something.
By way of example, did you know that you burn hundreds of calories while sleeping for 8 hours? Where do those calories come from? If you ate carbohydrates RIGHT before falling asleep, it would still burn the carbohydrates.
Your body will burn calories throughout the day and night, just being alive, that's what your BMR is. But if you are constantly eating them and not active enough to burn them off they will get stored. I still think if you are serious about losing weight you shouldn't eat a pound of spaghetti or potato salad before you go to bed, unless you plan on running a marathon.
This is about not eating more calories than your budget allots, not about avoiding carbs. If you eat too much protein (beyond your caloric and amino acid needs) it too will be converted to fat. There is no difference in this regard between carbohydrates and protein.0 -
What I heard was, blah blah blah blah blah beer for lunch! blah blah...0
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If you 'kind of' workout... I'd definitely restrict my carbs and aim for ketosis. Bread, sugar, starches, pastas, beer, whatever... all need to be erased from your life.
'No carbs after 2:00' probably doesn't mean green veggie carbs which don't count anyway. =]
What is ketosis????0 -
If you 'kind of' workout... I'd definitely restrict my carbs and aim for ketosis. Bread, sugar, starches, pastas, beer, whatever... all need to be erased from your life.
'No carbs after 2:00' probably doesn't mean green veggie carbs which don't count anyway. =]
What is ketosis????
Basically ketosis is where you deplete your glycogen reserves and your body switches from being a carb burning machine to being a fat burning machine. Your body will burn its own fat reserves (which we don't have a shortage of) for fuel instead of burning carbs.
It takes about 3 days of eating protein and green, leafy veggies for the body to get into ketosis...............
This is where I am at and I am losing any where from 1/4 pound up to a pound per day..........0 -
I mean that is if giving up carbs after 2pm works for you- I have also read the same thing. Its called the 17 day diet and was featured on Dr Phil. The dr who wrote the book says no carbs after 2pm. Proteins and non starchy vegetables after 2pm only. From what I understood reading the book its not that carbs are BAD after 2pm, its just that the slow your weightloss down. Protein and veggies after 2pm sped it up. But I'm sure everyone is different.
Again, does anyone remember the scientific explanation, or just that some talking head on TV said "don't eat carbs after 2pm, helps weightloss?"
Carbs are an essential part of everyone's diet. As a basic primer, let me explain:
Our bodies derive energy from three macronutrients; carbohydrates, fat, and protein. Now, fats and protein have many uses other than providing energy, whereas carbohydrates do not. The constituent amino acids in protein are the fundamental building blocks of our living tissues, used to create and repair literally everything in our bodies. Fat plays a role in our endocrine system, among other things, and is essential to dissolving fat soluble compounds in our bodies. Carbohydrates do one thing; provide our machine with an efficient source of energy.
When our body needs energy, it needs it most commonly in the form of glucose or glycogen (particular molecular forms of "carbohydrates"). Our bodies are FAR more efficient at converting carbohydrates into glucose or glycogen than they are at converting protein or fat to the same. If you don't eat any carbohydrates (atkins) you are denying your body the energy source that it has adapted to best use; you are slowing it down. If you are a couch potato and drink a lot of caffeine, then perhaps this wont bother you very much, but honestly, EVERYONE is far better off eating carbs and working exercise into their health plan.
So the Atkins diet and other carb-restrictive diets just seem like bad-science. Why would you deprive yourself of something that your body not only needs, but has evolved for aeons to use efficiently? So many people lose weight while staying healthy without the use of these carb-restrictive diets. What makes you think you are different than them?
The theory behind low-carb eating is that we have become efficient processors of non-fiber carbs because they are toxic to the body. Not because we need them. The body is just trying to get rid of them as quickly as possible.
Carbs spike insulin. Every time the cells are exposed to insulin, they become a little more resistant to it (especially if you are inactive). As you become insulin-resistant, every system in your body suffers and ages.
These eating plans work well for weight loss because in the absence of carbs, you're mainly going to burn fat. They are tough to adopt as a lifestyle because our culture is so carb-focused.
Oh my god this is just terrible. Do you actually believe any of that?
Carbohydrates are in no way toxic to the body, and insulin is not a bad thing. It's a hormone, like any other, that is integral to regulating our bodily functions. Insulin spikes are only "bad" and only occur if you eat high amounts of short chain carbohydrates (like simple sugar) without anything else in your stomach to slow/temper their absorption, and your energy levels become out of balance.
I suggest that if you (for some reason) find this whole no-carb mumbo-jumbo to be compelling, you take a basic nutrition class or read a basic nutrition guide.
I said it was the theory behind low-carb eating. I didn't offer an opinion on it either way. But thanks for your assumptions and criticisms anyway! What would a day be without unwarranted criticism from people on the internet?:laugh:0 -
Too bad chronic ketoacidosis is not ideal for the body. Not to mention your brain cells can only use glucose for energy. IMHO, it's just all about balance. Carbs are NOT "bad." There are just WAY too many factors to consider when it comes to weight loss, and there is no 1 "right" solution or rule, except maybe calories in/calories out. I've been losing weight this week by being able to factor in beer at 1am. Just gotta find what works for you!0
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Too bad chronic ketoacidosis is not ideal for the body. Not to mention your brain cells can only use glucose for energy. IMHO, it's just all about balance. Carbs are NOT "bad." There are just WAY too many factors to consider when it comes to weight loss, and there is no 1 "right" solution or rule, except maybe calories in/calories out. I've been losing weight this week by being able to factor in beer at 1am. Just gotta find what works for you!
You are confusing Ketosis and ketoacidosis..............2 totally different scenarios here.
Ketosis is perfectly normal and healthy.
Ketoacidosis is not healthy and a severe health concern. This usually only happens to severe diabetics who don't have their insulin levels under control and are not controlling their carbs..........
Please read and research, major misinformation!!!0 -
Too bad chronic ketoacidosis is not ideal for the body. Not to mention your brain cells can only use glucose for energy. IMHO, it's just all about balance. Carbs are NOT "bad." There are just WAY too many factors to consider when it comes to weight loss, and there is no 1 "right" solution or rule, except maybe calories in/calories out. I've been losing weight this week by being able to factor in beer at 1am. Just gotta find what works for you!
You are confusing Ketosis and ketoacidosis..............2 totally different scenarios here.
Ketosis is perfectly normal and healthy.
Ketoacidosis is not healthy and a severe health concern. This usually only happens to severe diabetics who don't have their insulin levels under control and are not controlling their carbs..........
Please read and research, major misinformation!!!
I'm talking about the pathological state of ketoacidosis which can occur from prolonged ketosis. I don't know if you can consider ketosis "healthy" seeing as liver glycogen is depleted, and the brain can't use fatty acids. I'll admit I don't know much about the low-carb diets, but from my understanding (I majored in bio and chem, btw) the "goal" is to have the body in a chronic state of ketosis...thus, ketoacidosis can develop. Sorry, just my 2 cents...I just advocate everything in moderation!
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What I heard was, blah blah blah blah blah beer for lunch! blah blah...
LoL me too!0 -
Too bad chronic ketoacidosis is not ideal for the body. Not to mention your brain cells can only use glucose for energy. IMHO, it's just all about balance. Carbs are NOT "bad." There are just WAY too many factors to consider when it comes to weight loss, and there is no 1 "right" solution or rule, except maybe calories in/calories out. I've been losing weight this week by being able to factor in beer at 1am. Just gotta find what works for you!
You are confusing Ketosis and ketoacidosis..............2 totally different scenarios here.
Ketosis is perfectly normal and healthy.
Ketoacidosis is not healthy and a severe health concern. This usually only happens to severe diabetics who don't have their insulin levels under control and are not controlling their carbs..........
Please read and research, major misinformation!!!
I'm talking about the pathological state of ketoacidosis which can occur from prolonged ketosis. I don't know if you can consider ketosis "healthy" seeing as liver glycogen is depleted, and the brain can't use fatty acids. I'll admit I don't know much about the low-carb diets, but from my understanding (I majored in bio and chem, btw) the "goal" is to have the body in a chronic state of ketosis...thus, ketoacidosis can develop. Sorry, just my 2 cents...I just advocate everything in moderation!
You can not develop ketoacidosis from being in ketosis for long term. Actually when the body goes into a state of ketosis then Gluconeogenesis starts taking place, which is perfectly normal.
The body can function JUST FINE without any carb intake what so ever. I was a Pre-med student when I first started college so I have had plenty of chemistry, biology and microbiology classes. Coupled with the fact that I am now studying Naturopathic Wellness and medicine through whole foods nutrition I understand how ketosis works and again I will reiterate the fact that you will not develop ketoacidosis from simply being in ketosis long term.
In 2003, I was in a state of ketosis for a year and lost 100 pounds - perfectly normal...........As a matter of fact, I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and was able to get off my medications and reverse the Diabetes where my A1C and blood sugars are perfectly in the normal range.
Carbohydrate - glucose in the blood and stored glycogen in cells - is used for both aerobic and anaerobic metabolism. In aerobic metabolism, glucose molecules are split into two molecules of lactic acid, releasing a small amount of energy, and then - simplifying a bit - the lactic acid is fed into the citric acid cycle in mitochondria, where it is oxidized, releasing more energy. Anaerobic levels of exercise requires more power - more energy per unit time - than the mitochondria can handle, so a lot more glucose is split, with the excess lactic acid being shipped off to the liver to be joined back together into glucose.
Aerobic metabolism in the muscles and most other tissues can also use fatty acids as well as glucose. Rather than processing lactic acid, acetyl groups are cleaved from fatty acids and are fed into the citric acid cycle where they are oxidized. However, the brain cannot use fatty acids directly for fuel, because fatty acid molecules are too big to cross the blood brain barrier; normally, the brain has to use glucose.
When blood glucose levels are low, the liver starts doing two things. First, it starts producing limited amounts of glucose from protein - or rather, from amino acids circulating in the bloodstream that originally come from protein. Second, it starts producing ketones from fatty acids - ketosis. Ketones, like lactic acid and acetyl groups, can be fed into the citric acid cycle, and they can also cross the blood brain barrier, so they can support aerobic metabolism in the brain as well as in muscle and other tissue. In fact, when ketones are available, they are preferred over glucose and fatty acids as fuel for aerobic metabolism.
Furthermore, we are ALL BIO-INDIVIDUALLY unique and what works for you may not work for me and vice versa. Please stop saying that ketosis is detrimental because there are people on this site and in the world that would benefit from a natural, unprocessed low carb plan that results in the person being in ketosis.
One more thing, ketogenic plans are often used as treatment for epilepsy and other disorders, especially with children.0 -
Ok, so the trainer at the gym said that I should not eat carbs after 2:00...REALLY??? I love a beer with dinner and all the other things. Can anyone help me with this..give me some suggestions???
Looks like you are just starting out. Why not try a "normal" diet of counting calories, making healthier choices, etc. and see how well you do with losing before you do something so drastic and completely unsustainable as eating only meat after 2pm? Makes no sense in my opinion.0 -
that is so unrealistic!!
my husband is diabetic so has to have carbs at all times of day/night and maintains a healthy weight, and drops weight easily without skipping carbs in the afternoon
i also have dropped 50lbs first time round, and now another 41lbs without even looking at my carb intake, let alone stopping them from 2pm!0 -
Ridiculous. Get a trainer who isn't full of crap. I ran this advice past a friend who has a PhD in nutrition and kinesiology and she laughed out loud. And for the record, she is in fantastic shape herself. She runs marathons and likes a beer after work.0
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that is so unrealistic!!
my husband is diabetic so has to have carbs at all times of day/night and maintains a healthy weight, and drops weight easily without skipping carbs in the afternoon
i also have dropped 50lbs first time round, and now another 41lbs without even looking at my carb intake, let alone stopping them from 2pm!
Carbs and diabetes don't go together. The lower the carb intake for someone that is Type 2 Diabetic the healthier the person is going to be.
I am assuming he is a Type 2 Diabetic???? Type 1 is a different story, but a controlled carb intake is necessary there also.0 -
It really does work. I eat 1200 calories before 2:00 every day and I lose between 1/2 and alb each day. I don't know why it works but it does. It isn't easy in the beginning but worth it. I miss dinner but I like getting on the scale each morning.0
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No beer after 2am? No problems.0
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Let's be honest, regardless of the science/opinion (and I speak as a research nurse) if something isn't sustainable or natural for you then it doesn't matter a toot!
I do my best and what I can sustain, after 30yrs of feast/famine that is far more important than anything else.0 -
Based on what? 2 PM your time or my time.
Ridiculous.
But if you restrict food you will lose weight because you are automatically reducing the calories you eat.
But there are easier ways of doing it.
Most of my meals are after 2.0 -
"dont eat carbs after...." is such a go to answer for so called 'trainers'. Really, don't listen to it, you would probably see results providing you didn't go mental and make other bad decisions first. But you'd have seen those results if you did anything else too. Have your carbs whenever you want, stay within your calorie goal, repeat.0
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At the end of the day it's calories in vs calories out. And if you go on a long run in the evening, you're going to need carbs! So take it with a pinch of salt. I limit my carbs as a general thing but I think food timing is a bit of a myth. Personal experience!0
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It really does work. I eat 1200 calories before 2:00 every day and I lose between 1/2 and alb each day. I don't know why it works but it does. It isn't easy in the beginning but worth it. I miss dinner but I like getting on the scale each morning.
So you don't eat ANYTHING after 2pm????? I would be hangry 24/7 if I did that. Some nights I don't get to eat dinner until 9:30 and I steadily lost (right now I'm in maintenance)0 -
:laugh: Eff that. There's carbs in everything0
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