fat jokes about Kirstie Alley on Dancing with the Stars

FearAnLoathing

it does not bother me at all,nor would it bother me if someone says those things about me.
most people are not like me in that sense i get that.
she did star in a show called fat actress so wasnt she teasing herself?

sportsman19

I think we all need to lighten with this PC nonsense. Comics like George Lopez have been doing what you guys perceive as crass/insulting for years. It's the nature of the business. Everyone is just dying to be offended and jumps at the opportunity of defending someone else when they take umbrage. There's a great documentary with Joan Rivers out where she's doing her standup and makes a deaf joke by bringing up Helen Keller.
A man in the audience takes offense and states he has a deaf son. She tore into him by saying, "Oh, please. You are so stupid. Comedy is to make everybody laugh at EVERYTHING and deal with things, you idiot. My mother is deaf, you stupid son of a b****. Don’t tell me! And just in case you can hear me in the hallway [as the man presumably leaves the performance], I lived for nine years with a man with one leg. Okay, you ahole? I was going to talk about what it’s like to have a man with one leg, who lost it in World War II and never went back to get it because that’s f****** littering.”
At first, my wife and I were shocked with her, however, she makes a point. Why should some people be excluded from comedy?
It's ok to laugh at a joke about the random dumb person who cuts you off on the freeway, but anyone with an affliction is off limits. If people want to choose pity, do so. I think inclusion is the best form of respect and in a healthy, self confident society, blue humor can be accepted. We deal with enough stress in our workweeks. Fostering new stress over JOKES is beyond inane.
Kirstie Alley is huge and has struggled with her weight. She's also used that to help profit. Good for her. I love fat jokes. I love all humor. We all should give it a try and refrain from policing what we don't find funny.

Marla64

I think we all need to lighten with this PC nonsense. Comics like George Lopez have been doing what you guys perceive as crass/insulting for years. It's the nature of the business. Everyone is just dying to be offended and jumps at the opportunity of defending someone else when they take umbrage. There's a great documentary with Joan Rivers out where she's doing her standup and makes a deaf joke by bringing up Helen Keller.
A man in the audience takes offense and states he has a deaf son. She tore into him by saying, "Oh, please. You are so stupid. Comedy is to make everybody laugh at EVERYTHING and deal with things, you idiot. My mother is deaf, you stupid son of a b****. Don’t tell me! And just in case you can hear me in the hallway [as the man presumably leaves the performance], I lived for nine years with a man with one leg. Okay, you ahole? I was going to talk about what it’s like to have a man with one leg, who lost it in World War II and never went back to get it because that’s f****** littering.”
At first, my wife and I were shocked with her, however, she makes a point. Why should some people be excluded from comedy?
It's ok to laugh at a joke about the random dumb person who cuts you off on the freeway, but anyone with an affliction is off limits. If people want to choose pity, do so. I think inclusion is the best form of respect and in a healthy, self confident society, blue humor can be accepted. We deal with enough stress in our workweeks. Fostering new stress over JOKES is beyond inane.
Kirstie Alley is huge and has struggled with her weight. She's also used that to help profit. Good for her. I love fat jokes. I love all humor. We all should give it a try and refrain from policing what we don't find funny.

Wowwww-- excellent, excellent post-- stopped me right in my tracks.

You're right. And truth be told, it's the way I view comedy usually-- we're all fair game. Laugh and the world laughs with us, blah, blah, blah-- what bothered me was singling her out, I guess. But, I guess that's just because it's her weight, and it's a touchy subject with me. I have no similar problem with all the Charlie Sheen jokes.

So-- really good, thoughtful post-- bravo!!!!

WarmDontBurn

So because it is labelled 'comedy' it is ok to make fun of someone with a disability? If comedy is to make everyone laugh are the disabled really enjoying jokes at their expense?

Just curious.

Coco_Puff

He's just like all the other comics out there now, they think funny is putting down others. If only we could have the Johnny Carsons and Bob Hopes to entertain us again. None, and I mean none of the late night hosts we have on air now can hold Johnny's jock strap. That was entertainment. We have nothing now that even compares!!!

FearAnLoathing

So because it is labelled 'comedy' it is ok to make fun of someone with a disability? If comedy is to make everyone laugh are the disabled really enjoying jokes at their expense?

Just curious.

ive known several disabled people that thought jokes about disablities where hilarious,so what can people joke about?
I guess women is off the list or men or politics,or religion because all of that could possibly offend someone.
I once dated a guy whos mom was in a wheelchair most of her life and she used to tell some really funny jokes about it.
then of course there are the people in life that are way to sensitive.words only have power if we give them power and a joke is a joke
how do you think lyndsay lohan , paris hiltion,or others feel about being the subject of many many jokes I dont here people being all up in arms about that.

WarmDontBurn

So because it is labelled 'comedy' it is ok to make fun of someone with a disability? If comedy is to make everyone laugh are the disabled really enjoying jokes at their expense?

Just curious.

ive known several disabled people that thought jokes about disablities where hilarious,so what can people joke about?
I guess women is off the list or men or politics,or religion because all of that could possibly offend someone.
I once dated a guy whos mom was in a wheelchair most of her life and she used to tell some really funny jokes about it.
then of course there are the people in life that are way to sensitive.words only have power if we give them power and a joke is a joke
how do you think lyndsay lohan , paris hiltion,or others feel about being the subject of many many jokes I dont here people being all up in arms about that.

what would their disability be? Fame?
Women, Men, Politics and religion are HUGE groups of people and when the make a joke say about women it is women in general...for example blonde jokes...not offensive when I was a blond because it didn't apply to me regardless of the color of my hair....religion..same thing I believe what I believe and if that is funny ok..however I have a daughter born with a disability and I just don't see the humour in something that she can not control. Maybe I am the over protective parent but I don't see how a disability is funny at all.

FearAnLoathing

So because it is labelled 'comedy' it is ok to make fun of someone with a disability? If comedy is to make everyone laugh are the disabled really enjoying jokes at their expense?

Just curious.

ive known several disabled people that thought jokes about disablities where hilarious,so what can people joke about?
I guess women is off the list or men or politics,or religion because all of that could possibly offend someone.
I once dated a guy whos mom was in a wheelchair most of her life and she used to tell some really funny jokes about it.
then of course there are the people in life that are way to sensitive.words only have power if we give them power and a joke is a joke
how do you think lyndsay lohan , paris hiltion,or others feel about being the subject of many many jokes I dont here people being all up in arms about that.

what would their disability be? Fame?
Women, Men, Politics and religion are HUGE groups of people and when the make a joke say about women it is women in general...for example blonde jokes...not offensive when I was a blond because it didn't apply to me regardless of the color of my hair....religion..same thing I believe what I believe and if that is funny ok..however I have a daughter born with a disability and I just don't see the humour in something that she can not control. Maybe I am the over protective parent but I don't see how a disability is funny at all.

because a joke is a joke when does it become ok to joke about a clebertiy but not someone with a disablity.so they should just take it and like it?where does the line get drawn?there is ALWAYS going to be someone that takes offense to something look at andrew dice clay he was only making jokes about women.I have a child with some minor issues do i care if someone makes jokes about it?no not really.They are just words and do not take away from who he is.
but the whole point of this thread was about fat jokes against kirstie alley which isnt really about a disablity and obviously pissed off alot of people my question is who draws the line who decideds whats ok and whats not because everything will offend someone.
and then when do we lose our free speech.if you dont like a comedian change the channle dont watch
edited to add i can see how you wouldnt find it funny,but there are alot of things that some people find funny and others dont there is no real way to control what someone says and there shouldnt be.
im sure your daughter is an amazing little girl and its good to be a protective parent.

sportsman19

When a comic makes a joke, there is no INTENT to harm anyone.
INTENT is often perceived by those with either no sense of humor or an issue that they are dealing with.
In other words...it's not the comic that has the problem, it's the person who interprets the joke that often has
a problem. Has anyone ever watched a comic roast? Friars club? Nothing is off limits. This hyper sensitive society
where everyone is ready, willing and able to sue at the drop of a hat because their feelings got hurt is really telling of why we are so behind as a fragile nation.

Don't watch the George Lopez show. He'll still be a successful comic and Kirstie Alley will still be heavy. And those who cannot
control their penchant for wallowing in misery over a silly monologue joke will continue to whine.
Several years ago a VERY innocent Scientology joke was made by a columnist at USweekly and Kirstie Alley sicked her lawyers on them. Look it up. I have zero compassion for her. Not because she's a Scientologist. Because she's a pompous human being.

Lastly, my late cousin was disabled. At Holidays he would joke about everyone's everyday habits and little idiosyncrasies. We would refrain from teasing him and the one thing he always said was, "don't pity me". He wanted to be included in the ribbing and joking, not looked and stared at like he was a circus freak. There was never any malicious intent.

Too bad many jump to the wrong conclusions but it's your own choice.