Does this make sense to anyone else?

shaunshaikh

ATT, first off, the worst thing you can do in a debate is quote wikipedia as your source. Second of all, there's a difference between Starvation Response which you have outilned and the Starvation Mode which is frequently referred to on this website. I gave a mountain load of links for you to peruse through at your own leisure, but suffice it to say that you can ignore starvation mode all you want, but when you or someone you know gets to that 10-20 pounds left and isn't losing weight anymore despite having large caloric deficits, then I think you're going to be hard pressed to find another reason for it.

baisleac

Overweight people that only eat a little and don’t lose weight is a myth, it just is not physically possible to eat less calories then you expend and not lose weight.

Tell that to my mother who is 80 lbs overweight and eats about 1100-1300 calories per day. At 5'8" her BMR should be much higher than it actually is, but because she's been eating too little for so long her metabolism has effectively shut down (not completely obviously or she'd be dead).

She ate even less than she does now, for years, and yes... she did lose weight. The minute she went back to maintenance she gained it all back and more. Now, her maintenance calories are lower; she can't get proper nutrients on the amount of calories she would need to eat to lose weight and she never has enough energy to do the things she wants to do.

shaunshaikh

Overweight people that only eat a little and don’t lose weight is a myth, it just is not physically possible to eat less calories then you expend and not lose weight.

How can you be sure that what you are expending is as much as you think? How do you know that your metabolism is really what MFP tells you that it is instead of 50% that value or less?

GypsyRoaddog

I am amazed at the rudeness of some ppl here & how vigorously they defend their *opinions*. Ppl with no nutritional training and at best with information they got from books, in which there are dozens of conflicting *opinions*. Everyone's *opinion* is valid - if it works for you, so be it. But like religions, I have to question someone's need to put their *opinion* on others. This is why I rarely check these boards -- self-deluded "experts" will defend their *opinion* post after post, for the need, I suppose, to prove they're RIGHT!
My best to all; I'll stick to entering my cals in my diary & working out at the gym every day. I'll leave advice giving to those who defend their *opinions* and certainly post no response to Jews who take offense at the mention of concentration camps, those who shudder at the mention of starving Ethiopians, & other realities that are not *opinions*, nor to those that defend their *opinions* so vigorously.
I am going to meditate; see you in the Silence.
Respectfully,
gyps

ajbeans

Im sorry that i have offended you because I even brought up this topic but i don't appreciate feeling curious one minute when I posted this thread, to feeling upset because I have been belittled by a complete stranger. Good luck on your journey

For what it's worth, I do apologize for my tone. I'm not normally such a grouch. It is a frustrating thing to see this topic get beaten to death on the forums, but that's not your fault. I was not at all being sarcastic in my last post when I said that it was awesome that it was working for you, and I do wish you luck.

I see a lot of people on these boards looking for excuses to not eat, or believing that food is the enemy, developing borderline eating disorders, and telling other people that it's ok to basically starve themselves and to lose pounds at all costs. Again, not your fault, and that's not what you were doing. I'm just explaining the frustration. There are a lot of unhealthy behaviors that get perpetuated in this community, and it's sometimes hard to sift through all the information to find the right path. So again, I apologize for my rudeness. I do wish you well on your journey, and I hope that I haven't deterred you from seeking support here at MFP.

freerange

Overweight people that only eat a little and don’t lose weight is a myth, it just is not physically possible to eat less calories then you expend and not lose weight.

How can you be sure that what you are expending is as much as you think? How do you know that your metabolism is really what MFP tells you that it is instead of 50% that value or less?

There is the rub, take for example a 200lb person with 50% body fat, they are really eating for a roughly 150 pound person, because fat does not burn calories at near the rate muscle does. So yes it can seem they are eating very little, and it can seem they are in calorie deicit, but they may not be. My advice is always seek medical advice, you can get your BMR checked to see what it really is, these places like MFP are only a rough guide.