political correctness

Lazyboy09

When It was Chinese New Year we celebrated that.

Start calling it "Asian New year" and see how it goes.

Lazyboy...my fiance was actually given that exact instruction. Her school director said she had to call it Asian New Year. When I heard that, I flipped my ****. It isn't Asian New Year at all. It is Chinese. LOL. It is a Chinese calendar. Imagine having to call "Mexican Food" "Central American Food" instead....or "French Champagne" "Regional European Champagne/Sparkling Wine."

How ridiculous, haha. Those are great suggestions though.

You know what, let's just cut to the final solution now. After we generalize all holidays we need to also precede everything with the word "Earth". That way in case we meet aliens we won't have to worry about confusing them with our holidays versus theirs.

mommared53

I understand what you're saying. And I agree. Me wishing my Jewish friend Merry Christmas is no different than him wishing me a happy Passover. (That interaction occurs anually, by the way). I've also been wished Happy Hannukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy Saturnalia (pagan festival), and Happy Chinese New Year without taking offense, so I don't understand why it's so offensive to call Easter "Easter" and Christmas "Christmas".

AMEN! Oops not politically correct to say Amen. AMEN! :bigsmile:

Newfiedan

It is not that I do not understand why some find it offensive per say as much as I am just saying "suck it up" you moved here so get over it. I am unsympathetic towards it more or less. I am not saying that those whom moved here are directly responsible for it as much as the cry babies who cried about it and were listened to because some politician thought it was a good way to get votes by giving them that sway over others.

RoadDog

I only practice being PC in the work place. Because I have to. In my world, I speak my mind, I tell my truths, I celebrate my holidays. Everyone else may practice theirs. If we can get together, perfect. If not, perfect.

Don't care about hearing the religious background or the significance to one group of people or the other. We have our own traditions, gatherings and observances in our home.

mommared53

I only practice being PC in the work place. Because I have to. In my world, I speak my mind, I tell my truths, I celebrate my holidays. Everyone else may practice theirs. If we can get together, perfect. If not, perfect.

Don't care about hearing the religious background or the significance to one group of people or the other. We have our own traditions, gatherings and observances in our home.

I don't even have to practice political correctness at my job because I don't have to. My boss is about one of the most un-politically correct people I know. :laugh: He would offend lots of people and not give a crap because he's just going to be himself and if someone doesn't like it, they need to either suck it up or find another job.

I wonder how soon til this thread gets locked. :laugh:

End6ame

I live in the US and am a Christian and also believe that political correctness is getting way out of control. I have absolutely no problem with other people’s ethnicities or religions, in fact I find the differences and similarities between many to be quite fascinating. I used to have a colleague from Pakistan who was Islamic and we got along wonderfully and frequently discussed our religious beliefs with each other and neither of us ever got offended. We also had different political views which we discussed, and again, neither of us got offended. I think if kids in school want to celebrate Easter, let them, the ones that don’t, don’t have to. Same goes for praying and the pledge of allegiance in schools.

This may be too much for people but, it is my belief, none the less. If you can change the way people talk and can carry these changes through generation after generation and continue to influence human communication over time, you will successfully change the way people think; and I believe that the goal of the political correctness movement, in the end is to change the way people think.

jeffrodgers1

I say push back. It's worked for the Politically Correct to get their point across (almost to idiocy). When I hear someone say these things like Seasonal Concert or Holiday Spheres, I correct them and tell them I am offended when people don't call things for what they are. Canada and the US were built on Christian values, and if you think I am going to deny my heritage because it upsets someone else... well guess again. I don't deny anyone their Rosh Hashanah, Kwanza or Ramadan or what have you... don't deny me mine. You choose to live here, live in peace. If you can't accept differing view points... live somewhere else.

mommared53

I say push back. It's worked for the Politically Correct to get their point across (almost to idiocy). When I hear someone say these things like Seasonal Concert or Holiday Spheres, I correct them and tell them I am offended when people don't call things for what they are. Canada and the US were built on Christian values, and if you think I am going to deny my heritage because it upsets someone else... well guess again. I don't deny anyone their Rosh Hashanah, Kwanza or Ramadan or what have you... don't deny me mine. You choose to live here, live in peace. If you can't accept differing view points... live somewhere else.

Two thumbs up!

Atlantique

I don't think that you see the inherent contradictions in your position. Even your username, newfiedan (not CanadianDan) belies that you are really of two minds about this issue. You decry people for calling themselves "their national heritage-Canadian", yet you choose to call yourself NewfieDan and post about how proud you are of your heritage, as you rightfully should be-yet it bothers you that French Canadians are equally proud of theirs!

You seem to only be bothered about 'political correctness' when your OWN traditions and culture are influenced. Your position appears to be that you and yours should be able to do whatever you want, whenever you want, as publicly and officially as you want, while everyone else is free to *privately* celebrate their own traditions. Perhaps I've misunderstood, but that's what it sounded like to me.

To me, the inherent problem with excessive *political correctness* is that it stamps out diversity that should be recognized, shared and celebrated. That's an entirely different issue from only complaining when your own traditions are curtailed--you should be upset when ANYONE's traditions are curtailed.

If you're only upset when your own traditions are impacted, we aren't talking about political correctness, are we?

kevanos

If you want to celebrate whatever you want to celebrate, why does it have to be at school, do it on your own time in your own home. Especially if your celebration is religious in nature, it shouldn`t be practiced at school.

Newfiedan

I have no problem with them being proud of it, but if asked I would say that I am canadian not newfoundland-canadian. I do not think there is anything wrong with being proud of where you hail from or celebrating it, I do however have a problem when that turns into crying about separation from canada to preserve that. I fully admit that I am quite sensitive about the topic and have very strong opinions on it. The fact that my username is Newfiedan has no bearing on my views and it does not imply a double standard by any means. I have a problem with stamping out anyone's views on this, political correctness has gone to far which is what the original post was all about. It is not about altering my personal views, I am not religious nor will I ever be because I view things from a different perspective than many. I think outside the box which makes me good at what I do as a career and has made me successful in nearly every aspect of my life. So this post to be 100% clear is not about infringing upon my personal belief, it is about us having to suppress that belief because we are told it is not "pc".

Atlantique

I have no problem with them being proud of it, but if asked I would say that I am canadian not newfoundland-canadian. I do not think there is anything wrong with being proud of where you hail from or celebrating it, I do however have a problem when that turns into crying about separation from canada to preserve that. I fully admit that I am quite sensitive about the topic and have very strong opinions on it. The fact that my username is Newfiedan has no bearing on my views and it does not imply a double standard by any means. I have a problem with stamping out anyone's views on this, political correctness has gone to far which is what the original post was all about. It is not about altering my personal views, I am not religious nor will I ever be because I view things from a different perspective than many. I think outside the box which makes me good at what I do as a career and has made me successful in nearly every aspect of my life. So this post to be 100% clear is not about infringing upon my personal belief, it is about us having to suppress that belief because we are told it is not "pc".

I call 'em like I see 'em. You haven't changed my mind about the underpinnings of your position.

lazygalina

I agree completly!!! I am celebrating 2 christmas - regular, december 25 and russian orthodox January 7 - i never told my daughter, that she can not go to christmas celebration with other kids.

mommared53

If you want to celebrate whatever you want to celebrate, why does it have to be at school, do it on your own time in your own home. Especially if your celebration is religious in nature, it shouldn`t be practiced at school.

Does that include praying? Because quite frankly I'll pray or celebrate my Christianity anywhere I want too. I don't stop being a Christian because I walk outside my door at home. If someone else doesn't want to celebrate the same things I celebrate that's fine. I'm not about to tell them they have to. But for someone to say I can't celebrate outside my own home really gets on my fighting side!

End6ame

If you want to celebrate whatever you want to celebrate, why does it have to be at school, do it on your own time in your own home. Especially if your celebration is religious in nature, it shouldn`t be practiced at school.

Does that include praying? Because quite frankly I'll pray or celebrate my Christianity anywhere I want too. I don't stop being a Christian because I walk outside my door at home. If someone else doesn't want to celebrate the same things I celebrate that's fine. I'm not about to tell them they have to. But for someone to say I can't celebrate outside my own home really gets on my fighting side!

Ditto. It is getting to the point where it is only ok to do and believe whatever you want as long as it is never in front of anyone else who may believe or think differently.

FearAnLoathing

I used to be a practicing neo-pagan, a major problem I had with my community was their pc behavior. Limiting one religion hurts all religion, I understand an atheist protesting but obviously not other religious groups. Besides easter traditions are based on pagan and Jewish traditions. Even the word easter comes from ostara a celebration of spring, if I remember right it means egg.

I am an atheist and I wouldnt protest it.

LorinaLynn

I'm also an atheist, and I'll eat any chocolate anyone offers me under any name! :laugh:

LorinaLynn

But to be serious, isn't school a time and place where we should teach kids about other cultures and beliefs? From my point of view, it's no different than teaching mythology. We learned about Greek and Roman mythology. Maybe even a touch of Norse and Egyptian. At one point in time, those WERE their religions. Learning about them didn't make me worship Zeus, Jupiter, Thor or Ra. It just made me really good at Jeopardy.

But that would include teaching kids about the real history behind their holidays, and how a lot of the symbolism behind Christmas, Easter, etc were pagan in origin. It was easier to get the druids and picts to give up their gods than their celebrations.

deeharley

I am offended by the very term "Politically Correct." It presumes or declares what is "correct." I prefer "Socially Preferred" or something that acknowledges sensitivity without mandating a value judgement. If any political entity determines my morality, just shoot me now.

HAHA - just imagining certain politicians trying to even define "morality" let alone put it on a piece of paper for people to follow. That would be a messed up morality.

Atlantique

I am offended by the very term "Politically Correct." It presumes or declares what is "correct." I prefer "Socially Preferred" or something that acknowledges sensitivity without mandating a value judgement. If any political entity determines my morality, just shoot me now.

HAHA - just imagining certain politicians trying to even define "morality" let alone put it on a piece of paper for people to follow. That would be a messed up morality.

Unfortunately (and paradoxically) the ones who scream the loudest about the tragedy of *political correctness* are the same folks who actually DO want to legislate morality. They want to control sexual and reproductive behavior, govern marriage, pretend the US President was born in another country, etc.

kevanos

If you want to celebrate whatever you want to celebrate, why does it have to be at school, do it on your own time in your own home. Especially if your celebration is religious in nature, it shouldn`t be practiced at school.

Does that include praying? Because quite frankly I'll pray or celebrate my Christianity anywhere I want too. I don't stop being a Christian because I walk outside my door at home. If someone else doesn't want to celebrate the same things I celebrate that's fine. I'm not about to tell them they have to. But for someone to say I can't celebrate outside my own home really gets on my fighting side!

I have no problem with you praying, as long as it is not interfering with anybody.

Muslims needs a time and place to worship, and it bugs me that schools have to accomodate for this. Do you religion on your own time at your own place of worship, at school I really don`t feel that I should have to deal with your religion.

So if you want to do Easter, don`t do it at school.

dothompson

Eggs are *NOT* spherical. Talk about poisoning young minds! :laugh:

Holiday Ellipses?

Atlantique

If you want to celebrate whatever you want to celebrate, why does it have to be at school, do it on your own time in your own home. Especially if your celebration is religious in nature, it shouldn`t be practiced at school.

Does that include praying? Because quite frankly I'll pray or celebrate my Christianity anywhere I want too. I don't stop being a Christian because I walk outside my door at home. If someone else doesn't want to celebrate the same things I celebrate that's fine. I'm not about to tell them they have to. But for someone to say I can't celebrate outside my own home really gets on my fighting side!

I have no problem with you praying, as long as it is not interfering with anybody.

Muslims needs a time and place to worship, and it bugs me that schools have to accomodate for this. Do you religion on your own time at your own place of worship, at school I really don`t feel that I should have to deal with your religion.

So if you want to do Easter, don`t do it at school.

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stormieweather

Nice timing ^^ , lol.

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