Looking for Vegetarians/Vegans...

redman_vf

Being vegan for 6 years now my best advice to anyone wanting to adopt that lifestyle is...

DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM VEGETARIANS!

Honestly, why are people who are not vegan recommending "a slow transition"? I understand the pride you may feel in being vegetarian, but it really gives you no insight into being vegan.

So to the aspiring vegan, if it is only about diet, well...then it's not vegan. If you want to call it a vegan diet, that's kinda lame and misses the point. That would be what we used to call vegetarian before eggs and cheese started getting coopted by vegetarians. So then it became strict vegetarian. But if it is ethical as well and yiu are more dietary focused do the research and take time to read some of Dr. Neal Barnard's books. There is ample evidence that a vegan diet is far better for you (and other animals as well). Far more death goes into milk and egg production than most non-vegans want to admit, but the facts won't hide or be twisted if you look for yourself. Also check out "The China Study".

If you are heading this way for purely ethical reasons with your diet being a another logical extension of that such as what you wear, carbon footprint, etc., then try "Becoming Vegan" or "The Vegan Sourcebook".

I definitely recommend vegweb.com as a place for recipe ideas as well as Post Punk Kitchen. You can also make friends. The 14 year vegan I love and live with met each other on a vegan forum about 5 years ago.

I have traveled to both coasts after becoming vegan simply forth purpose of meeting other vegans. I learned that simply being vegan does not make me like you, but I can sure appreciate your ethical consistency over a vegetarian who says they are doing it "for the animals". And for all the vegetarians who want to slam me for that last statement, I was vegetarian before I became vegan. I wish someone would have slapped me down from my little hypocritical cloud. When you truly want to make it about ethics, vegan is the only choice. This attitude will get one accused of being "elitist" as quick as anything but for me it's nothing I pat myself on the back for. To over celebrate being vegan would quite literally be the equivalent of thanking myself every day for not killing anyone, it's just common sense now.

So go vegan and don't be a whiny one. Don't take advice from one who isn't vegan or who "tried that once". Follow what you feel about your impact on other animal's lives and whether or not killing them is necessary or relevant to you. Don't hide behind food addictions, believe me you will beat yourself up for that later.

I actually care about all animals, including vegetarians. ;-)

fatskintslug

I've been a veggie for 17 years now and would never go back feel free to add me x

unsuspectingfish

There is ample evidence that a vegan diet is far better for you (and other animals as well).

That's only if you're doing it right, though. If, for example, you give up meat and dairy and don't supplement your vitamin B-12, which is ONLY found in animal products, it'll could you, but not before seriously messing you up. There's also ample evidence that the spectrum of partial vegetarian diets (ovo-lacto, pescetarian, etc.) are just as healthy as vegetarian/vegan diets that don't contain non-red-meat animal products.

Basically, if you want to become vegan, research, research, research. I agree that, if you're really serious about it, it's more a lifestyle than a diet, but start with the diet and work your way up from there. Know which vitamins and minerals you'll need to supplement (because you will need to), which plants have abundant sources of stuff like iron and protein (there's a reason Popeye ate spinach), which processed foods contain hidden animal products (hint: Peeps are off the menu), etc., etc., etc. I recommend doing that before you jump into it completely, because, if you're lacking in some vitamin and you start feeling crappy because of that, you're going to be reluctant to continue.

emseedubya

I'm a vegetarian by definition, but do keep more than 99% of my diet vegan. It's a lifestyle I'm moving towards just like you. Being vegetarian is painless for me. It's so easy it's laughable. But, because I live in a very rural part of Australia without a lot of dairy alternatives, letting go of dairy completely has been the hardest part for me. Read: I am a cheese addict. No matter how I plan to start the week, I haven't gone more than 14 days without cheese yet! I know there are cheese alternatives out there, I just can't get them where I live and they won't ship them to me because they can't refrigerate them. Boo! Nutritional yeast has been a lifesaver! Can't wait to read the other posts in this thread and hear what others are saying. I'm plussize2dreamsize on youtube and I vlog more about why I became vegan there.

Winged_Victory

Any suggestions for a good brand of nutritional yeast?

I have some I got from the bulk bin in the store, but I feel pretty "meh" about its flavor.

fteale

I have been vegetarian for 20 years, since I was 13. I cook all my own food, the easiest thing is stop thinking in terms of western meat and veg meals and embrace other country's food. There is almost no limit to vegetarian Indian food, for instance. Most Hindus are vegetarian or vegan. Most Middle Eastern food is also veggie, and Sicilian too. There are lots of non-meat sushi recipes. You will need to be a bit more inventive, but you won't run out of recipes if you look around. I suggest the Moosewood cookery book, as well as the Demuth's ones - The Green World and Green Seasons. Also check out the demuth's site www.vegetariancookeryschool.co.uk for recpies.

Another essential one is the Cranks bible.

emseedubya

I have to order mine in from online so I just buy whatever's cheapest and they all taste about the same to me. I never eat it by itself, I add blend it with tofu, almond milk, and almond meal to make a cheesy sort of sauce and put it on pasta and vegetables. It reminds me most of Parmesan. I made this recipe up the other day trying to replicate the cajun alfredo sauce from Chilis and, even though I haven't had that sauce in years, it does its memory justice!

Ingredients

1.5 cups almond milk
1 cup silken tofu -- drained
2 T dairy-free spread (I used olive oil spread)
1/4 cup cajun seasoning
1 T water
2 T minced garlic
1 8oz jar of smoked red peppers -- drained, rinsed in hot water to remove excess oil and drained again on paper towels
1/2 cup of nutritional yeast flakes -- ground to a powder. use more if you like a more cheesy flavor.
1 T cornflour
1/4 cup hot water

Directions

1. Combine tofu, dairy-free spread, almond milk and cajun seasoning in a food processor or blender until smooth.
2. Dice the red peppers (you may be able to buy pre-diced ones, I just can't get them here!) and then saute with the garlic in a large saute pan for 2-3 minutes. If you're not worried about added fat, you can saute in oil instead of water.
3. Pour blended tofu mixture into saute pan with the garlic and peppers. Add nutritional yeast and turn to low heat to thicken. The longer you leave it, the thicker it will become, it's really up to your personal taste.
4. Finally, mix the cornflour in the water. Remove sauce from heat and add the cornflour mix. Blend well and stand to thicken for a few minutes. Add salt and pepper to taste, pour over your favorite pasta or rice and you're done!

emseedubya

I agree 100%. I think that meat and dairy subsitutes are awesome while making the transition, but it's so much easier to just whip up a nice curry! I'm lucky that I became vegan in Australia where the Thai and Indian cultural influences are about as strong as the Mexican influence was in the food I grew up with in Texas. Even though I loved it from the beginning, I think Indian and Thai might be acquired tastes because my family back in the states can't stand it!

BlissfulYoga

Any suggestions for a good brand of nutritional yeast?

I have some I got from the bulk bin in the store, but I feel pretty "meh" about its flavor.

I used Red Star, Frontier Co-op, or Whole Foods Co-Op (which might be from the same co-op = not completely sure)

lovemyhellokitty

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Sallerina84

Being vegan for 6 years now my best advice to anyone wanting to adopt that lifestyle is...

DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM VEGETARIANS!

Honestly, why are people who are not vegan recommending "a slow transition"? I understand the pride you may feel in being vegetarian, but it really gives you no insight into being vegan.

So to the aspiring vegan, if it is only about diet, well...then it's not vegan. If you want to call it a vegan diet, that's kinda lame and misses the point. That would be what we used to call vegetarian before eggs and cheese started getting coopted by vegetarians. So then it became strict vegetarian. But if it is ethical as well and yiu are more dietary focused do the research and take time to read some of Dr. Neal Barnard's books. There is ample evidence that a vegan diet is far better for you (and other animals as well). Far more death goes into milk and egg production than most non-vegans want to admit, but the facts won't hide or be twisted if you look for yourself. Also check out "The China Study".

If you are heading this way for purely ethical reasons with your diet being a another logical extension of that such as what you wear, carbon footprint, etc., then try "Becoming Vegan" or "The Vegan Sourcebook".

I definitely recommend vegweb.com as a place for recipe ideas as well as Post Punk Kitchen. You can also make friends. The 14 year vegan I love and live with met each other on a vegan forum about 5 years ago.

I have traveled to both coasts after becoming vegan simply forth purpose of meeting other vegans. I learned that simply being vegan does not make me like you, but I can sure appreciate your ethical consistency over a vegetarian who says they are doing it "for the animals". And for all the vegetarians who want to slam me for that last statement, I was vegetarian before I became vegan. I wish someone would have slapped me down from my little hypocritical cloud. When you truly want to make it about ethics, vegan is the only choice. This attitude will get one accused of being "elitist" as quick as anything but for me it's nothing I pat myself on the back for. To over celebrate being vegan would quite literally be the equivalent of thanking myself every day for not killing anyone, it's just common sense now.

So go vegan and don't be a whiny one. Don't take advice from one who isn't vegan or who "tried that once". Follow what you feel about your impact on other animal's lives and whether or not killing them is necessary or relevant to you. Don't hide behind food addictions, believe me you will beat yourself up for that later.

I actually care about all animals, including vegetarians. ;-)

As a vegetarian I find your post quite insulting.

You accuse vegetarians of basically being narrow minded and being on a "hypocritical cloud". I am not a hypocrite. I have certain views that are personal and I don't force them on anyone else. I also don't pretend that dairy production is all sweetness and light.

If you were vegetarian before being a vegan, and most likely a meat eater before that, what gives you the right to preach to others when you were once the same? That's like telling someone how stupid they are to smoke, when you used to smoke yourself...if that's not being hypocritical, I don't know what is!

I do however, applaud you for your dedication, as I think it must be very hard being a vegan...but I believe vegetarianism isn't a waste of time and it's just as valid a lifestyle choice as being vegan. Preaching about how people should be eating is no better than preaching about what religion someone should follow, something I personally hate...each to their own!

I think the transition that people (including me) have suggested is not a bad idea, not only would it be easier for the person doing it in stages, it wouldn't be as big a shock to the system, and it's about being healthy yourself as well as "saving the animals". There's no point trying it full speed ahead cutting everything out in one day, and then giving up. I think doing it in stages would make someone more likely to achieve their goal.

ssernst

Well said Sallerina

Sallerina84

Well said Sallerina

hehe, thanks!

i don't think everything is as black and white as some people think!

my dad is a meat eater, yet a huge animal lover and is actually a wildlife surveyor, protecting endangered species, does lots of voluntary work, and won environmentalist of the year!

there's more than one way of saving the animals (and the planet!), and being vegetarian or vegan is just a tiny part of it.

bettyboop573

Well said Sallerina

hehe, thanks!

i don't think everything is as black and white as some people think!

my dad is a meat eater, yet a huge animal lover and is actually a wildlife surveyor, protecting endangered species, does lots of voluntary work, and won environmentalist of the year!

there's more than one way of saving the animals (and the planet!), and being vegetarian or vegan is just a tiny part of it.

agreed fully as well a little bit of a difference is still a difference

kittytompsett

My wife is a vegetarian since she was 7... and she's 29 now. It wasn't a healthy thing for her, it was an animal thing. I suppose it all depends on how picky you're going to be. For instance, every time we go to a restaurant, I ask if the beans are cooked in chicken broth, if any lard is used, if chicken (or other animal) broth is used in sauces, etc.

That said, its been an interesting experience in that I'm the cook, we eat dinner together every night, and we have the same meals... just that, at times, mine has meat when hers doesn't. And trust me, chicken close to her dish is not tolerable . Anyways, I have TONS of stuff you can do to ease yourself into it if you ever have any questions. Add me if you'd like.

Oh, my one tip: Go out and buy Quorn products. In my humble opinion, they're the best meat replacement thing out there that I even eat at times. You'll be surprised by what you can find.

Wow, your wife sounds exactly the same as me! My husband also cooks and just adds meat to his meals. I can't say if being veggie is easy or not coz I don't remember ever eating meat (I know I did when I was little)

I also agree about Quorn, adds bulk to meals and is so low fat too, some of my non veggie friends who are trying to loose weight are replacing some meat with Quorn because of the low cals

Good luck hun xx

BlissfulYoga

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Trishkit

A great, healthy food blog to follow is ohsheglows.com

I love Oh She Glows! It's on my list of top blogs!

Hi everyone! I'm vegan and happy to have more veg friends! I don't have the perfect diet but am constantly trying to keep things well-balanced and varied, and am always willing to try new things. Unless they involve lima beans.

emma1488

Hello all,

I went vegetarian last September (2010). Then after realising what happens in the dairy industry, decided to go vegan in January/February this year (2011).

Vegetarianism was so easy for me. Though I am struggling a little bit with veganism. Only because when I got out for dinner, or get take away, I end up with hot chips...which is why I've come back to MFP to try and lose some weight.

I've also been quite lethargic of late and am really hoping its not to do with my diet.

I'm looking for vegan/vegetarian friends who can help keep me motivate. So please add me

taem

Hello,

I am also transitioning into a plant based, whole food diet as described by Dr. McDougall and the book, The China Study. I would like to make vegan mfp friends so I can gleen your food choices please!

I learned to stay away from fat as well as sugar (fructose, glucose, sucrose and their variations) and to stick with starchy foods for energy and veggies for nutrients.

I learned that fat is fat and so olive oil and nuts (almonds, sunflower seeds), avocados are artery blockers so eat them sparingly and to suppress hunger between meals (it has a ton of fat from calories, look it up http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3085/2 and http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/509/2 and http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1843/2).

I learned that soy protein has insulin growth factor 1, twice more than milk protein so avoid those soy burgers--get your protein through beans and other non-soy products (fermented soy is fine).

I wish you good health.

Sallerina84

Hello all,

I went vegetarian last September (2010). Then after realising what happens in the dairy industry, decided to go vegan in January/February this year (2011).

Vegetarianism was so easy for me. Though I am struggling a little bit with veganism. Only because when I got out for dinner, or get take away, I end up with hot chips...which is why I've come back to MFP to try and lose some weight.

I've also been quite lethargic of late and am really hoping its not to do with my diet.

I'm looking for vegan/vegetarian friends who can help keep me motivate. So please add me

That's what I would find so difficult too about becoming Vegan....eating out! Every vegetarian dish in pubs is full of cheese! So i don't know how vegans can eat out!!! As it's becoming a more popular lifestyle choice I think pubs/restaurants should have at least one vegan option...much like they did when vegetarianism first started becoming more popular...and now you usually get at least 3 veggie options.

xx