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Fesse
Fesse Posts: 611
edited September 2024 in Chit-Chat
I've noticed a lot of my friends seem to have the same passion for music as I do so I thought I'd start a forum topic for people to share their knowledge and open a discuss about what music means to them. Any genera, any topic is open for discussion. Let's just see where this takes us. I want to start by posting something that I was reading on the net this morning and I wanted to share and get other people thoughts and opinions. Just remember, I don't want to debate your opinion just really want to enjoy others taste in music..... I might get the chance to be "exposed" to any other style that I haven't heard of yet.

TORONTO - It was spring, 1951, when Ike Turner's band, a busted amplifier and legendary producer Sam Phillips kicked up an entirely different kind of racket, launching a new genre that would come to be known as rock 'n' roll.
The song was "Rocket 88," written by Turner and his saxophonist, Jackie Brenston, who handled vocals. The tune's distorted guitar, discordant sax, frantic pace and winking lyrics combined to create something no one had ever really heard before, and it was a hit at the time — storming up the chart to finally land as the No. 1 bestselling rhythm & blues record in the June 9, 1951 issue of Billboard magazine.
Sixty years later, many historians consider it the first-ever rock 'n' roll song and musicians revere the tune, as well as the band's livewire performance.
And yet, most regular people don't know that the track even exists.
"If I went to my local grocery store here and stopped 20 people, if I found one who knew about it, I'd be shocked," said Grammy Award-winning York University music professor Rob Bowman, who's been lecturing about "Rocket 88" since 1979.
"It's definitely not as well known as Elvis's hits or Jerry Lee (Lewis)'s big hits, or 'Rock Around the Clock.' This is (before) the massive explosion.... You don't hear it as a golden oldie. You listen to oldies radio, and you'll hear 'Hound Dog,' you'll hear 'Great Balls of Fire,' you'll hear 'Maybellene' by Chuck Berry, you'll hear Little Richard's 'Tutti Frutti' — you won't hear 'Rocket 88.'"
Indeed, that sums up the status of this '50s firecracker: relative obscurity to most, revelation to a select few.
The song was recorded back in March 1951, when Turner was only 19 years old. Phillips was 28 and wouldn't launch his influential Sun Records imprint — eventual home to Elvis Presley, Johnny Cash, Lewis and Roy Orbison — for another year.
Brenston used the 1947 Jimmy Liggins cut "Cadillac Boogie" for inspiration in writing "Rocket 88," named after a spiffy new car being sold by Oldsmobile.
The road would have another major impact on the tune, however.
The band was actually en route to record the song — cruising along Highway 61 from their rehearsal space in Clarksdale, Mississippi to Phillips' studio in Memphis — when disaster struck, as guitarist Willie Kizart's amplifier toppled off the roof of the car to the road below.
The amp was damaged, and the group's attempt at an impromptu repair job — which involved wadded-up newspapers — didn't help matters. The sound coming through the amp's speaker was buried in distortion, and thus, it wasn't fit for recording.
But something about the garbled sound appealed to Phillips. He decided to run with it, a move that would influence the next six decades of music.
"Distortion, at that time, is going beyond the normative social constraints of musical behaviour — and in doing so, it effectively is rebellious," Bowman said. "And what appeals to young people? Things that parents don't understand, things that get parents upset, things that parents think are poor, bad, wrong.
"Well, playing an instrument incorrectly, making it distort, is an obvious example of that."
Other elements of the song were different as well.
As Bowman explains it, the song's whole groove is underpinned by riffs, which were derived from the blues tradition and became a crucial element in rock music.
Then there are the mischievous lyrics — in which the titular car serves as a metaphor for Brenston's sexual prowess — as well as Turner's blistering piano-playing and the hopped-up tempo, all of which would prove influential. (That influence, however, didn't translate to financial riches — Turner claimed in his autobiography that he made only $20 off the tune).
Like any morsel of music history, the origins of rock 'n' roll are fiercely debated, yet "Rocket 88" seems to the most widely acknowledged choice as the first-ever rock tune, with confirmation coming from such sources as the website of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum and the New Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock & Roll.
And to musicians, "Rocket" resonated with the thunderous volume of, well, a space shuttle bursting into the sky.
"Imagine walking into a bar and hearing those guys play that song," said Tom Wilson, the Hamilton musician behind Junkhouse, Lee Harvey Osmond and Blackie and the Rodeo Kings.
"Music from outer space — 'Rocket 88' has that quality. It's like music that wasn't here before. It comes from another planet. It's like, 'What is this? What's going on here?'"
Countless musicians have covered the song, though few have recorded new versions — perhaps because it's tough to match the intensity of the original.
Toronto's Downchild Blues Band included a cover of the song on their 1982 record "Blood Run Hot," but that was hardly their introduction to the tune.
In fact, Downchild founder Donnie Walsh says he remembers the group playing "Rocket 88" at their very first practice in June 1969.
"We played it for years," he said in a telephone interview. "Day one, that might have been in the repertoire."
"It's a great tune."
Two-time Juno Award-winning blues guitarist Colin Linden also has memories of covering the song during his formative years.
"There's a reason they call it the first rock 'n' roll record ever," he said during a recent interview in Toronto.
"The chemicals ignited in a particular way — whatever it is, it's a great record, and it's not one iota worse than it's ever been. It's still a great record."
So that begs the question — why haven't more people heard of "Rocket 88"?
Well, a big part of the reason for the song's obscurity lies in the racial politics of its time.
At the dawn of the 1950s, black and white artists were played on different radio stations to mostly racially divided audiences.
"(The song's) significance on white teenagers in '51 probably wasn't huge, but it was a huge record on the black charts," Bowman explained. "I mean, some white hipsters who were listening to black radio at the time did hear it, and I think it had a big influence on those musicians."
Of course, that group includes Presley — who, as legend has it, was a religious listener of WDIA, Memphis's first black radio station. Another white artist, Bill Haley — who helped popularize rock 'n' roll with his '54 version of "Rock Around the Clock" — performed a popular cover of "Rocket 88" a few months after Turner's band released the song, a version Bowman now dismisses as "irrelevant."
The systemic racism in the music industry — and society at large — was in fact part of the reason the term "rock and roll" was born, Bowman argues.
"Rock and roll is black popular music and it's a term that got applied to the music in 1951 by (American DJ) Alan Freed as a euphemism for the fact that white kids were buying black rhythm and blues," he said.
"They had to label it something different because it was a racist society, so the white kids aren't buying rhythm and blues — they're buying something new called 'rock and roll.' But it was black music."
The other factor working against "Rocket 88"? The record was out of print for ages.
When Bowman first heard about the tune, he spent a year trying to track down someone who had a copy of the 78 that he could tape.
Now? The tune is easily accessible on iTunes or YouTube, and those music obsessives whose eyes light up at the very mention of the song are also quick to point out how well it's aged.
"Besides its significance historically, it's just an unbelievably great, exciting record," Bowman enthused.
"This record's got distorted electric guitar, it's riff-based, it's got the honky tenor sax tradition encoded within it, it's got boogie-woogie piano, it's got lyrics that are a series of sexual automotive metaphors, and it's at a souped-up tempo.
"What's not to love?"
Article from:
By Nick Patch, The Canadian Press | The Canadian Press – Sun, 22 May, 2011

Amazing Song:
Rocket 88 (Original Version) - Ike Turner/Jackie Brenston http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbfnh1oVTk0

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  • pinstripepirate
    pinstripepirate Posts: 605 Member
    If you ever come to NYC, make sure you see the Broadway show Memphis. It's all about the start of rock and roll and the racial barriers. It is a really awesome show!
  • RoadDog
    RoadDog Posts: 2,946 Member
    First Concert I ever went to:
    BB King
    Janis Joplin

    First Concert I took a Date to:
    Neil Diamond


    First Big Event Concert: California Jam 1974:
    (also 1st concert I got laid at and 1st concert I took acid at)
    Rare Earth
    Earth, Wind & Fire
    Eagles
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Seals and Crofts
    Black Sabbath
    Deep Purple
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer

    First Concert I took my wife to:
    Van Halen

    First Concert I took my daughters to;
    AC/DC

    My last concert was with Jan and we went to see Buddy Guy.

    I have been to roughly 700 concerts in my life, and these are some of the people I've seen"
    AC / DC
    Aerosmith
    Atomic Punks
    BB King
    Beach Boys
    Bette Midler
    Billy Joel
    Billy Squire
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Black Sabbath
    Blue Oyster Cult
    Bob Dylan
    Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band
    Bonnie Raitt
    Bruce Springsteen
    Buddy Guy
    Canterbury Fair
    Cat Stevens
    Cheap Trick
    Creedence Clearwater Revisited
    Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
    David Lee Roth
    Deep Purple
    Dolly Parton
    Don Henley
    Eagles
    Earth, Wind and Fire
    Edgar Winter
    El Tri
    Elton John
    Elvin Bishop
    Emerson, Lake and Palmer
    Eric Burdon and the Animals
    Eric Clapton
    Foreigner
    Gary Wright
    Gin Blossoms
    Heart
    Huey Lewis and the News
    Janis Joplin
    Johnny Lang
    Johnny Winter
    Journey
    Keb Mo
    Kenny Rogers
    Kings of Leon
    Kiss
    Led Zeppagain
    Live Wire
    Loggins and Messina
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Moreland and Arbuckle
    Mr. Mister
    Neil Diamond
    Neil Young
    Norton Buffalo
    Paul Rodgers
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Poison
    Pretenders
    Queen
    Rare Earth
    Reba McIntire
    Rick Derringer
    Ringo Starr
    Robert Cray
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Rod Stewart
    Rory Gallagher
    Roy Rogers
    Sammy Hagar
    Santana
    Seals and Crofts
    Shania Twain
    Steve Miller
    Stray Cats
    Ted Nugent
    Terry Robb
    Tinsley Ellis
    Van Halen
    ZZ Top


    I hope to see many more.
  • InstantSunshine
    InstantSunshine Posts: 355 Member
    Road Dog, next time you go to a gig, I'm coming with you! I've seen ACDC as well at Wembley, they were bloody brilliant!

    By the way hell of a line up to do acid to. I seem to remember with that I couldn't even handle TV! And I assume with our age difference (sorry) that you had the good stuff as opposed to the weak dishwater they palmed off on us... well done sir, good work.

    :smokin: (it's not a *kitten*)
  • Karleyyy
    Karleyyy Posts: 857
    First Concert I ever went to:
    BB King
    Janis Joplin

    First Concert I took a Date to:
    Neil Diamond


    First Big Event Concert: California Jam 1974:
    (also 1st concert I got laid at and 1st concert I took acid at)
    Rare Earth
    Earth, Wind & Fire
    Eagles
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Seals and Crofts
    Black Sabbath
    Deep Purple
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer

    First Concert I took my wife to:
    Van Halen

    First Concert I took my daughters to;
    AC/DC

    My last concert was with Jan and we went to see Buddy Guy.

    I have been to roughly 700 concerts in my life, and these are some of the people I've seen"
    AC / DC
    Aerosmith
    Atomic Punks
    BB King
    Beach Boys
    Bette Midler
    Billy Joel
    Billy Squire
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Black Sabbath
    Blue Oyster Cult
    Bob Dylan
    Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band
    Bonnie Raitt
    Bruce Springsteen
    Buddy Guy
    Canterbury Fair
    Cat Stevens
    Cheap Trick
    Creedence Clearwater Revisited
    Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
    David Lee Roth
    Deep Purple
    Dolly Parton
    Don Henley
    Eagles
    Earth, Wind and Fire
    Edgar Winter
    El Tri
    Elton John
    Elvin Bishop
    Emerson, Lake and Palmer
    Eric Burdon and the Animals
    Eric Clapton
    Foreigner
    Gary Wright
    Gin Blossoms
    Heart
    Huey Lewis and the News
    Janis Joplin
    Johnny Lang
    Johnny Winter
    Journey
    Keb Mo
    Kenny Rogers
    Kings of Leon
    Kiss
    Led Zeppagain
    Live Wire
    Loggins and Messina
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Moreland and Arbuckle
    Mr. Mister
    Neil Diamond
    Neil Young
    Norton Buffalo
    Paul Rodgers
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Poison
    Pretenders
    Queen
    Rare Earth
    Reba McIntire
    Rick Derringer
    Ringo Starr
    Robert Cray
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Rod Stewart
    Rory Gallagher
    Roy Rogers
    Sammy Hagar
    Santana
    Seals and Crofts
    Shania Twain
    Steve Miller
    Stray Cats
    Ted Nugent
    Terry Robb
    Tinsley Ellis
    Van Halen
    ZZ Top


    I hope to see many more.

    Neil Young & CSNY..... love. <3
  • TheNewLK
    TheNewLK Posts: 933 Member
    I have been to countless concerts....hmmm

    Beastie Boys
    311
    GLove and Special Sauce
    Dirty Heads
    Billy Joel
    Rod Stewart
    Paul McCartney
    Dave Matthews Band
    Steve Miller Band
    George Thurgood
    Def Leppard
    Styx
    Our Lady Peace
    BareNakedLadies
    Everlast
    Soul Asylyum
    Matchbox 20
    Lemon Heads
    Kings of Leon
    Train
    Poison
    LL Cool J
    Blind Melon
    Kiss
    Paramore
    Ben Folds Five
    Ben Harper
    Ziggy Marley
    The Avett Bros
    Heart
    Jack Johnson
    Lucious Jackson
    Violent Femmes

    Ummmmm I know theres more......I love all music....
  • andreamichelle82
    andreamichelle82 Posts: 324 Member
    First Concert I ever went to:
    BB King
    Janis Joplin

    First Concert I took a Date to:
    Neil Diamond


    First Big Event Concert: California Jam 1974:
    (also 1st concert I got laid at and 1st concert I took acid at)
    Rare Earth
    Earth, Wind & Fire
    Eagles
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Seals and Crofts
    Black Sabbath
    Deep Purple
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer

    First Concert I took my wife to:
    Van Halen

    First Concert I took my daughters to;
    AC/DC

    My last concert was with Jan and we went to see Buddy Guy.

    I have been to roughly 700 concerts in my life, and these are some of the people I've seen"
    AC / DC
    Aerosmith
    Atomic Punks
    BB King
    Beach Boys
    Bette Midler
    Billy Joel
    Billy Squire
    Black Oak Arkansas
    Black Sabbath
    Blue Oyster Cult
    Bob Dylan
    Bob Seger and the Silver Bullet Band
    Bonnie Raitt
    Bruce Springsteen
    Buddy Guy
    Canterbury Fair
    Cat Stevens
    Cheap Trick
    Creedence Clearwater Revisited
    Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young
    David Lee Roth
    Deep Purple
    Dolly Parton
    Don Henley
    Eagles
    Earth, Wind and Fire
    Edgar Winter
    El Tri
    Elton John
    Elvin Bishop
    Emerson, Lake and Palmer
    Eric Burdon and the Animals
    Eric Clapton
    Foreigner
    Gary Wright
    Gin Blossoms
    Heart
    Huey Lewis and the News
    Janis Joplin
    Johnny Lang
    Johnny Winter
    Journey
    Keb Mo
    Kenny Rogers
    Kings of Leon
    Kiss
    Led Zeppagain
    Live Wire
    Loggins and Messina
    Lynyrd Skynyrd
    Moreland and Arbuckle
    Mr. Mister
    Neil Diamond
    Neil Young
    Norton Buffalo
    Paul Rodgers
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Poison
    Pretenders
    Queen
    Rare Earth
    Reba McIntire
    Rick Derringer
    Ringo Starr
    Robert Cray
    Robert Randolph and the Family Band
    Rod Stewart
    Rory Gallagher
    Roy Rogers
    Sammy Hagar
    Santana
    Seals and Crofts
    Shania Twain
    Steve Miller
    Stray Cats
    Ted Nugent
    Terry Robb
    Tinsley Ellis
    Van Halen
    ZZ Top


    I hope to see many more.

    That's incredible!
  • BigBeaver
    BigBeaver Posts: 858 Member
    This isn't a thread, this is a novel:laugh:
  • Miss_Chievous_wechange
    Miss_Chievous_wechange Posts: 1,230 Member
    Bump...Will check this out later when I get time.
  • andreamichelle82
    andreamichelle82 Posts: 324 Member
    I love music, both performing and listening! I sang in college, and my brothers are great singers as well, and they both are ridiculously good at the instruments they play. One is making a career out of his! For my wedding they played LifeHouse's "Everything" for the whole processional (inlcuding my walk down) with just a guitar, cajun (small box-like drum you sit on) and their voices and it was incredible!


    My concert list is pathetic compared to those up so far!

    Dave Matthews
    Bryan Adams
    Switchfoot
    The Hush Sound
    Hello Goodbye
    Boys Like Girls
    One Republic
    John Mayer
    Michael Buble


    I'm so very excited to see Owl City this summer, bc one of my brothers is going to be in the band! Eeeeek!
  • C_Bran
    C_Bran Posts: 254
    Because I don't have time to read this I will just put that my first concert was a concert where I won tickets. I think it was called "Fresh Fest" and some of the artists were:

    LL COOL J
    Run DMC
    Force MD's
    New Edition
    Public Enemy
    Troop
    and others I can't remember.......
  • TheNewLK
    TheNewLK Posts: 933 Member
    Opps missed some

    Bryan Adams
    Van Halen
    Ozzy
    Rage Against the Machine
    AudioSlave
    Soundgarden
    ZZ Top
    Tim Reynolds
    Live
    Greatful Dead ...... yeah I was like 13 AWESOME!!
    Phish
    Dropkick Murphys
    Floggin Molly
  • appleshells
    appleshells Posts: 165
    Concerts I have been to.....

    N SYNC (I had a teenage daughter....lol)
    Jimmy Eat World (same kid)
    Creed
    DMB 4 times

    then my music taste changed drastically

    Disturbed (numerous times)
    Five finger death punch (numerous times)
    Metallica
    Slipknot


    Alot more that I can't remember right now. I love being in the pit at concerts. Slipknot is one of my all time favorite bands and I was 3rd row in the pit. It was the only concert that I seriously got a little afraid and had to ask my husband to pull me out!
  • andreamichelle82
    andreamichelle82 Posts: 324 Member
    Concerts I have been to.....

    N SYNC (I had a teenage daughter....lol)
    Jimmy Eat World (same kid)
    Creed
    DMB 4 times

    then my music taste changed drastically

    Disturbed (numerous times)
    Five finger death punch (numerous times)
    Metallica
    Slipknot


    Alot more that I can't remember right now. I love being in the pit at concerts. Slipknot is one of my all time favorite bands and I was 3rd row in the pit. It was the only concert that I seriously got a little afraid and had to ask my husband to pull me out!

    I'd loooove to see Jimmy Eat World :heart:
  • kapeluza
    kapeluza Posts: 3,434 Member
    Matisyahu
    Tiesto
    U2
    Depeche Mode
    Enrique Iglesias (free ticket, why not)
    Arctic Monkeys
    Black Kids
    Marylin Manson
    The Cure
    The Offspring
    Queens of the Stone Age

    And a very long list of world music bands.....
  • pinstripepirate
    pinstripepirate Posts: 605 Member
    I'm jealous of you concert go-ers... I haven't been to many shows because none of my friends listen to the same music as me! I have a friend or two who like country, and that's fine with me, but I'd really like to go to more rock shows. No one will go with me!

    I've seen Jimmy Buffett, Charlie Daniels Band, George Thorogood, Kenny Chesney/Miranda Lambert/Sugarland/Montgomery Gentry/Lady Antebellum (all in one show), and Taking Dawn/Adelita's Way/Halestorm/Theory of a Deadman (all in one show). I think that's it... boo.

    There are many, many shows I would like to go see, if only I had a concert partner!
  • RoadDog
    RoadDog Posts: 2,946 Member
    Good things about my generation and concerts:
    -Lot of bands I liked are at County and State Fairs for minimal ticket prices or free.
    -Bands now have a huge body of work to play.
    -Lots of bands from my era can still sell out arenas and they cater to my generation.

    Some of the bad things:
    -My generation's groups are dead or dying.
    - Huge ticket prices.
    -and, the worst one.....you ever seen a 60 year old, overweight, bleached blonde in leather pants and a red-ripped tight tube top, thinking she's still Brett Bret Michael's number one groupie?
  • RoadDog
    RoadDog Posts: 2,946 Member
    I'm jealous of you concert go-ers... I haven't been to many shows because none of my friends listen to the same music as me! I have a friend or two who like country, and that's fine with me, but I'd really like to go to more rock shows. No one will go with me!

    I've seen Jimmy Buffett, Charlie Daniels Band, George Thorogood, Kenny Chesney/Miranda Lambert/Sugarland/Montgomery Gentry/Lady Antebellum (all in one show), and Taking Dawn/Adelita's Way/Halestorm/Theory of a Deadman (all in one show). I think that's it... boo.

    There are many, many shows I would like to go see, if only I had a concert partner!

    Don't know where you're at or your taste in music, but if you were in my area, you would have a concert partner. I have several. Wife and I go to some together, but our tastes are not the same. I go to the Blues concerts with my nephew. See the Classic and hard rock with my oldest daughter. Middle daughter likes ZZ Top, AC/DC and Sammy. Holland likes Steve Miller, Billy Idol and Journey. Go see stuff like CCR, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Ted with my biker buddies.

    There's always someone to go with. You're a pretty girl, If you go alone, you'll make firends there. Go!! Have Fun! Liefe is to short to watch from the sidelines.
  • pinstripepirate
    pinstripepirate Posts: 605 Member
    I'm jealous of you concert go-ers... I haven't been to many shows because none of my friends listen to the same music as me! I have a friend or two who like country, and that's fine with me, but I'd really like to go to more rock shows. No one will go with me!

    I've seen Jimmy Buffett, Charlie Daniels Band, George Thorogood, Kenny Chesney/Miranda Lambert/Sugarland/Montgomery Gentry/Lady Antebellum (all in one show), and Taking Dawn/Adelita's Way/Halestorm/Theory of a Deadman (all in one show). I think that's it... boo.

    There are many, many shows I would like to go see, if only I had a concert partner!

    Don't know where you're at or your taste in music, but if you were in my area, you would have a concert partner. I have several. Wife and I go to some together, but our tastes are not the same. I go to the Blues concerts with my nephew. See the Classic and hard rock with my oldest daughter. Middle daughter likes ZZ Top, AC/DC and Sammy. Holland likes Steve Miller, Billy Idol and Journey. Go see stuff like CCR, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Ted with my biker buddies.

    There's always someone to go with. You're a pretty girl, If you go alone, you'll make firends there. Go!! Have Fun! Liefe is to short to watch from the sidelines.

    I primarily listen to hard rock. I like some country, but I'm kind of picky about new country. My all-time favorite artist is David Allan Coe. I'm dying to see Kid Rock in concert... I have no idea who would go with me to that! (I live in Jersey, btw).

    Thank you :). I'm too paranoid to go to a concert solo, but I will make more of an effort to see more shows in the future.
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